Zach Lowe Speculates the Jazz could want Bradley. Would you trade him for #12 ?

[RIPRED]

Absolutely not. Avery was the number 19 pick in his draft, but some writers believe he would go #6 if they were to redo the 2010 draft today (http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/8/27/4663046/2010-draft-do-over-ranks-avery-bradley-6th). He is currently a zillion times better than whoever will be drafted at 12 this year. Cauley-Stein got exposed in his last 2 games. Porzingus has bust written all over him - He's soft as a marshmallow.  Everyone is so quick to minimize Avery's contributions, but the kid is a beast. It seems like the only people that don't appreciate his skills are Boston fans.

[Eja117]

Absolutely not. Avery was the number 19 pick in his draft, but some writers believe he would go #6 if they were to redo the 2010 draft today (http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/8/27/4663046/2010-draft-do-over-ranks-avery-bradley-6th). He is currently a zillion times better than whoever will be drafted at 12 this year. Cauley-Stein got exposed in his last 2 games. Porzingus has bust written all over him - He's soft as a marshmallow.  Everyone is so quick to minimize Avery's contributions, but the kid is a beast. It seems like the only people that don't appreciate his skills are Boston fans.

Looking at that draft I have him 8th behind (in no order) Wall, Favors, Cousins, G Monroe, G Hayward, P George, and E Bledsoe. Then there's Hassan Whiteside as well. And if you asked a year ago there was also Larry Sanders

That doesn't mean he's an all star. It means it was a weird draft

[Eddie20]

I'm a big Bradley fan, but just to play devil's advocate...

George Hill was traded for the rights to Leonard, which was taken at #15. Hill was 24 at the time and coming off a couple of good seasons for the Spurs. Indiana, like Utah, was trying to take the next step and felt an experienced player like Hill would be more beneficial than a younger draft pick.

Bradley is currently 24 and coming off a few good seasons. Moreover, there are a few talented swingmen (Johnson, Oubre, Dekker) that just might be available at 12.

[D.o.s.]

I'm a big Bradley fan, but just to play devil's advocate...

George Hill was traded for the rights to Leonard, which was taken at #15. Hill was 24 at the time and coming off a couple of good seasons for the Spurs.

Bradley is currently 24 and coming off a few good seasons. Moreover, there are a few talented swingmen (Johnson, Oubre, Dekker) that just might be available at 12.

Coming into the NBA there were doubts that Leonard would ever find three point range, and that his role would be limited because of it.

The fact that the Spurs took a good player with a very obvious weakness and totally eradicated that weakness shouldn't be ignored -- in that when the trade happened, Hill was considered a more-than-fair price for Kawahi.

[Eddie20]

I'm a big Bradley fan, but just to play devil's advocate...

George Hill was traded for the rights to Leonard, which was taken at #15. Hill was 24 at the time and coming off a couple of good seasons for the Spurs.

Bradley is currently 24 and coming off a few good seasons. Moreover, there are a few talented swingmen (Johnson, Oubre, Dekker) that just might be available at 12.

Coming into the NBA there were doubts that Leonard would ever find three point range, and that his role would be limited because of it.

The fact that the Spurs took a good player with a very obvious weakness and totally eradicated that weakness shouldn't be ignored -- in that when the trade happened, Hill was considered a more-than-fair price for Kawahi.

I don't disagree that Leonard's shooting was in question. Just like there are a few question marks surrounding the 3 swingmen I mentioned, along with Myles Turner, if we wish to go big.

[RIPRED]

Absolutely not. Avery was the number 19 pick in his draft, but some writers believe he would go #6 if they were to redo the 2010 draft today (http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/8/27/4663046/2010-draft-do-over-ranks-avery-bradley-6th). He is currently a zillion times better than whoever will be drafted at 12 this year. Cauley-Stein got exposed in his last 2 games. Porzingus has bust written all over him - He's soft as a marshmallow.  Everyone is so quick to minimize Avery's contributions, but the kid is a beast. It seems like the only people that don't appreciate his skills are Boston fans.

Looking at that draft I have him 8th behind (in no order) Wall, Favors, Cousins, G Monroe, G Hayward, P George, and E Bledsoe. Then there's Hassan Whiteside as well. And if you asked a year ago there was also Larry Sanders

That doesn't mean he's an all star. It means it was a weird draft

I don't think that you were implying that I think he's an allstar, but I want to make it clear that I do not think that. I also don't think whoever is taken at 12 this year will be better than him. Furthermore, whoever is taken at 12 will need a similar amount of time to develop as he needed which was about 1-2 years. I'd just keep Avery unless someone knocks my socks off with an offer.

[indeedproceed]

I'm a big Bradley fan, but just to play devil's advocate...

George Hill was traded for the rights to Leonard, which was taken at #15. Hill was 24 at the time and coming off a couple of good seasons for the Spurs.

Bradley is currently 24 and coming off a few good seasons. Moreover, there are a few talented swingmen (Johnson, Oubre, Dekker) that just might be available at 12.

Coming into the NBA there were doubts that Leonard would ever find three point range, and that his role would be limited because of it.

The fact that the Spurs took a good player with a very obvious weakness and totally eradicated that weakness shouldn't be ignored -- in that when the trade happened, Hill was considered a more-than-fair price for Kawahi.

You're both right. And if the Celtics picked a really good player who developed into a all-star, you'd still both be right then. And if the Celtics picked a dud, you'd again..both be right.

[D.o.s.]

I'm a big Bradley fan, but just to play devil's advocate...

George Hill was traded for the rights to Leonard, which was taken at #15. Hill was 24 at the time and coming off a couple of good seasons for the Spurs.

Bradley is currently 24 and coming off a few good seasons. Moreover, there are a few talented swingmen (Johnson, Oubre, Dekker) that just might be available at 12.

Coming into the NBA there were doubts that Leonard would ever find three point range, and that his role would be limited because of it.

The fact that the Spurs took a good player with a very obvious weakness and totally eradicated that weakness shouldn't be ignored -- in that when the trade happened, Hill was considered a more-than-fair price for Kawahi.

I don't disagree that Leonard's shooting was in question. Just like there are a few question marks surrounding the 3 swingmen I mentioned, along with Myles Turner, if we wish to go big.

I know absolutely nothing about this year's batch of draftees, so I'll take your word for it. Just pointing out to people who maybe weren't paying attention to Leonard before he emerged as Finals MVP that he was hardly the finished product you might think of.

[mctyson]

Zach Lowe speculates that Jazz want Avery Bradley because he is a young, elite defender on a reasonable long term contract who is a good spot up shooter and a good addition for a competitive rebuilding team.  Zach Lowe speculates Jazz would give up an unproven college player for Bradley.

Boston fan creates thread saying he would do this trade "in a heartbeat."

The internet wins.

[dreamgreen]

I've done my fair share of AB bashing but at this point I have to admit he's a keeper. So no I would not do that trade.

[Eja117]

I said yes. These are my conditions and reasons....They have to take all of Avery's contract. No bad contracts back. They also have to kick in a couple future 2nds. Otherwise it isn't worth it to me.

But if they did....I do it and this is why.

Avery isn't going to be the difference between us and a ring, but a 12th pick could. There is a 2.5% chance (I think) of getting a top 3 pick.

There is a decent chance we get a player about as good as Avery or that we can now trade up for a player better. Even if the player is a tad worse for several years they are on a rookie contract, so now you have to decide.....is said player ANNNNDDD like 5 million dollars for the next 4 years better?

Next.  James Young needs to see the court. He has spent the year doing well in Maine (a lot like Avery did at the exact same age) and he needs to start to play. If you want James Young to have trade value he has to play. It is hard for James to play with Avery, Jae C, ET, and IT in his way. Make space and things can happen.

Avery has likely peaked. His numbers are down just a tad from last year. This is his healthiest year ever and I doubt he gets healthier from here as he gets older.

If we were to lose Avery and the 12th pick were a big bust....would that be a serious set back? I don't think it would be. First of all we'd have saved a lot of money, but I just don't think Avery is one of those irreplaceable guys and with all the picks and money and trade exceptions...I think we'd be ok. It's a gamble but you've got money to lose and you might win....you might even win big.

Next...we need a good big badly. We saw what KG did. I don't think you can hope for KG at 12, but you can hope for a good big at 12 and you have to take shots. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. KO isn't getting it done. Sully isn't really getting it done. If we pick two bigs in this draft...if we get some combo of Kaminsky, Trey Lyles, WCS, Myles Turner, or possibly Harrel or Porzingis. That could help. We'd still have the Clips pick to try to pick a combo guard or a d and 3 guy. Guys like Terran Petaway or RJ Hunter would be out there. Maybe even Oliver Hanlan could work. As a BC guy he could actually be likely to resign here if he worked out and he's an inch taller than Avery so you never know.

All in all I think it's worth it.

[viulo]

If you add the rights for Ante Tomic, with some guarantee that he would come over this year or the next, then... yeah, probably.

[Beat LA]

Absolutely not. Avery was the number 19 pick in his draft, but some writers believe he would go #6 if they were to redo the 2010 draft today (http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/8/27/4663046/2010-draft-do-over-ranks-avery-bradley-6th). He is currently a zillion times better than whoever will be drafted at 12 this year. Cauley-Stein got exposed in his last 2 games. Porzingus has bust written all over him - He's soft as a marshmallow.  Everyone is so quick to minimize Avery's contributions, but the kid is a beast. It seems like the only people that don't appreciate his skills are Boston fans.

Looking at that draft I have him 8th behind (in no order) Wall, Favors, Cousins, G Monroe, G Hayward, P George, and E Bledsoe. Then there's Hassan Whiteside as well. And if you asked a year ago there was also Larry Sanders

That doesn't mean he's an all star. It means it was a weird draft

Don't forget to include Lance Stephenson in that list from the 2010 draft.

[Sixth Man]

Absolutely not. Avery was the number 19 pick in his draft, but some writers believe he would go #6 if they were to redo the 2010 draft today (http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/8/27/4663046/2010-draft-do-over-ranks-avery-bradley-6th). He is currently a zillion times better than whoever will be drafted at 12 this year. Cauley-Stein got exposed in his last 2 games. Porzingus has bust written all over him - He's soft as a marshmallow.  Everyone is so quick to minimize Avery's contributions, but the kid is a beast. It seems like the only people that don't appreciate his skills are Boston fans.

Looking at that draft I have him 8th behind (in no order) Wall, Favors, Cousins, G Monroe, G Hayward, P George, and E Bledsoe. Then there's Hassan Whiteside as well. And if you asked a year ago there was also Larry Sanders

That doesn't mean he's an all star. It means it was a weird draft

I don't think that you were implying that I think he's an allstar, but I want to make it clear that I do not think that. I also don't think whoever is taken at 12 this year will be better than him. Furthermore, whoever is taken at 12 will need a similar amount of time to develop as he needed which was about 1-2 years. I'd just keep Avery unless someone knocks my socks off with an offer.

Agree 100%.  If the Jazz wanted Bradley, they could have shipped a big man to us, but they traded Kanter to OKC, so...not interested in this mooted deal.

[Beat LA]

In a heartbeat. 

LOL

This is comical.  Bradley was drafted a few spots lower than 12.  He is a proven NBA talent, 24 years old, made All NBA 2nd defensive team, and you would trade him "in a heartbeat" for the 12th pick in the draft???

The obsession with drafts/college players on this board sometimes is insane.

100% with you here. I understand the odd person be enamoured with the draft and the "possibilities" this would present but I didn't realise so many would feel the same way. Would I make the trade, no... but I would consider it. To do it in a heartbeat, no thought... well... I don't like to put down other people's opinions because they're their opinions, but that's plain ridiculous!

It's not that Bradley is a bad player, but once we drafted Smart, keeping AB made absolutely no sense to me.  I guess that I'm of the opinion that Bradley is better suited to be a contributor to a contender like he was in 11-12 instead of being counted on as a piece of the core moving forward.  Is that fair?  Btw, I know that I am an odd person in general, lol , but are you referring to me in saying that or just people in general?

I also look at Bradley as Lindsey Hunter 2.0, albeit with a better jump shot, even though Hunter could at least dribble and pass, lol.  Plus, you never know - there could always be a star that slips to 12, and in this deep draft, if we could get a potential cornerstone for Avery Bradley, well then, how can you argue against such a move?