Zach Lowe Speculates the Jazz could want Bradley. Would you trade him for #12 ?

[celticsfan8591]

Does anyone know how plugged in Zach Lowe is?  I love his writing but he's generally more focused on analyzing what's already happened than reporting what teams are thinking going forward.  I would be ecstatic if we could get the Jazz pick + Hood for Bradley but it seems hard to believe that the Jazz would be interested in such a deal.

[Ilikesports17]

I think if this happened it would probably be done to move up in the draft. We could maybe package 11 + 12 to get someone like Justice Winslow or Willie Cauley-Stein.

It's a way we can trade up into the top 8 without giving up a brooklyn pick.

WCS for 11+12 would be a bad deal. WCS drafted at 11 or 12 is a good deal. Winslow is worth trading up for but 11 +12 no. Rather have Oubre and Poeltl/Turner/Portis than just Winslow. C's need a lot of help.

Interesting thought.

Heres how I look at it. at 1-9 you are getting a pretty solid bet outside of the europeans.
More realistically Im talking about the 3 SFs(Winslow Johnson Hezonja) and WCS. These guys are both BPA and the positional need.
at 10-15 you are looking at guys with similar ceiling but huge risk
Turner, Oubre, Poeltl (hes less of a risk but you get the idea)

I saw a thread suggesting the Kings as a potential trade partner and it makes a lot of sense
They have been bad for a long time and have struggled with draft picks but despite all this they are set at the 2, 3, and 5. Collison isnt a bad PG but they'll look to address that in the draft unfortunately the best PGs in the draft are going 13+ so at 6 it is a huge reach. Same for the PFs outside of Prozingis. Harrell, Portis, Looney, Lyles Kaminsky (I see him as PF) etc all going after pick #10. If Sac Town doesnt like Prozingis then a Sullyor KO plus #12 trade makes a lot of sense.

This allows Sacremento to fill both holes. At 12 they can grab Grant, Dunn, or another PF if they want. I also wouldnt be against throwing in Philly #2 or the Clips pick.

We get the # 6 pick and our choice of Johnson, WCS, Hezonja.

Couple this with the AB trade and you could scoop Oubre or Turner later in the draft.


TL;DR:
picking at 8 is safe bet, 2 shots at 11/12 is risky

Kings could be enticed into Sully+12+filler for #6

Net: AB, Sully, filler for pick #6 and Hood (C's and Jazz 1's cancel)not sure if I do it. Do you?

[Donoghus]

I don't know.  Are you really gonna get better value at pick #12 than what you have with Bradley and his contract at the moment?

I'd be reluctant to part with AB for that.  Even if Utah is sweetening the deal with Hood, it doesn't really move the needle for me. 

I'm open to moving Bradley but it'd be probably be as a part of a larger package to acquire an established talent. 

[oldtype]

AB for #12 is a deal worth thinking about.

AB and the Clippers pick for #12 is highway robbery.

[jpotter33]

If we did the deal and weren't able to move up much with our picks, I honestly would be really happy with nabbing Turner and Oubre with those picks. That would give us a really young core of Smart, Young, Oubre, Sully/KO, and Turner. I say play the young guys next year and let them develop!

[konkmv]

If danny trades bradley he will trade sully too...

[Csfan1984]

I think if this happened it would probably be done to move up in the draft. We could maybe package 11 + 12 to get someone like Justice Winslow or Willie Cauley-Stein.

It's a way we can trade up into the top 8 without giving up a brooklyn pick.

WCS for 11+12 would be a bad deal. WCS drafted at 11 or 12 is a good deal. Winslow is worth trading up for but 11 +12 no. Rather have Oubre and Poeltl/Turner/Portis than just Winslow. C's need a lot of help.

Interesting thought.

Heres how I look at it. at 1-9 you are getting a pretty solid bet outside of the europeans.
More realistically Im talking about the 3 SFs(Winslow Johnson Hezonja) and WCS. These guys are both BPA and the positional need.
at 10-15 you are looking at guys with similar ceiling but huge risk
Turner, Oubre, Poeltl (hes less of a risk but you get the idea)

I saw a thread suggesting the Kings as a potential trade partner and it makes a lot of sense
They have been bad for a long time and have struggled with draft picks but despite all this they are set at the 2, 3, and 5. Collison isnt a bad PG so theyll look to address that in the draft unfortunately the best PGs in the draft are going 13+ so at 6 it is a huge risk. Same for the PFs outside of Prozingis. Harrell, Portis, Looney, Lyles Kaminsky (I see him as PF) etc all going after pick #10. If Sac Town doesnt like Prozingis then a Sullyor KO plus #12 trade makes a lot of sense.

This allows Sacremento to fill both holes. At 12 they can grab Grant, Dunn, or another PF if they want. I also wouldnt be against throwing in Philly #2 or the Clips pick.

We get the # 6 pick and our choice of Johnson, WCS, Hezonja.

Couple this with the AB trade and you could scoop Oubre or Turner later in the draft.

TL;DR:
picking at 8 is safe bet, 2 shots at 11/12 is risky

Kings could be enticed into Sully+12+filler for #6

Net: AB, Sully, filler for pick #6 and Hood (C's and Jazz 1's cancel)

Not bad. Kings would probably do well in a trade down as I know they like Dunn and any decent PF may due for them. But they probably don't want AB (best filler asset) as they have McLemore and Staukas. Also do they want vets or draft picks really? They need to flip their 1st for a star. Gay and Cousins are too good to keep wasting. Maybe Kings  send the 6th pick and fillers to Denver for Lawson+Faried is their move.

[incoherent]

AB is good on a cheap deal and entering prime.  I'd say no to this.

[Forza Juventus]

I probably would not trade him because I think he will be a part of our team when we are good but it would depend on who is on the board at Utah's pick.

[Monkhouse]

Again: Utah may look at wing players before point guards, since you need two of them on the court at once. Bradley is perfect. He’s about the same age as Favors and Hayward, he’s content working for off-ball jumpers at the shooting-guard spot while Hayward works the pick-and-roll, and he would give Utah a third vicious defender in the starting lineup.

He’s also locked up on a nice contract through 2017-18.

The Celtics turned down offers of a late first-round pick for Bradley at the deadline, but perhaps a pick about 10 spots higher than that would tempt Danny Ainge. What if Utah tossed in Hood?

It’s a long shot. Boston has too many first-round picks as it is, and Ainge adores Bradley. The Celtics are more likely to package some of their own late first-round picks to try to move up in the draft.

Zach Lowe wrote this, and it seemed pretty interesting at first. Would I do it?

Heck yes. Sorry but Bradley may be a cheap bargain, but if I can draft WCS/Oubre, or move up a few spots by packaging that pick for a wing player, then I would do it.

Bradley is a great defender, but hes still a player that relies on pull up mid range jumpshots, and sometimes are contested, (worst shot in the NBA,) so... Plus hes 6'2, so that already cuts him down a notch.

If you can get a pick for Bradley that's around 10-13th, which is still considered a lottery pick, you should do it. I would try to pick up some potential shooting guard sleepers at this point.

[LarBrd33]

I think there was already a thread about this.

Yeah I'd do it... especially if we could get them to eat Bradley's salary.  That would be a no-brainer.

[hpantazo]

I would totally do this, not sure the Jazz would though.

[Smartacus]

The grass is always greener...

I'm not sure it's the no brainier some are making it out to be. We also add the Clippers pick?

Even Zach Lowe says its a "long shot".

Respectfully the grass might not always be greener but what is being discussed is to turn Bradley, a former 19th pick and a pick in the mid to late 20's into a 12th pick. Historically speaking the grass for a 12th pick is much greener than the 19th or 25th.

As you said though the trade is by no means a no brainier but a trade like that could lead to you ending up with a player that far exceeds their draft value. This is the range where the higher risk players drop out of the top 10 or the first wave of really good players that may not having the highest ceiling can no longer be ignored.

2011 Klay Thompson 11th Pick
2013 Shabazz Muhammad 14th Pick (Looks like he can score effectively at the NBA level)
2013 Steven Adams 12th Pick(Effective NBA Center)
2010 Paul George 10th Pick
2013 Giannis Antetokunmpo 15th Pick
2011 Kawhi Leonard 15th Pick

[Jonny CC]

AB is good on a cheap deal and entering prime.  I'd say no to this.

Personally, I don't think Bradley is on a "cheap deal".

[Celtic Fan Forever]

AB is good on a cheap deal and entering prime.  I'd say no to this.

Personally, I don't think Bradley is on a "cheap deal".

It's gonna look a heck of a lot cheaper after the cap spike