Would you draft-day trade our pick (#7-11) for Nerlens Noel?

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

Noel went 6 overall in the worst draft in recent memory two years ago smart went 6 overall in what is perceived to be one of the best. Since then neither have done anything shocking. Smart and our first is ridiculous IMO. Robert Covington has been 17 pts 6 boards and 2 steals this month. On a team like Philly where opponents see them as a bye week you can't read into stats. I value him same as I did two years ago. Worthy of a 4-8 pick in a bad draft which I believe translates to 7-12 in an avg draft. Maybe I pd throw in some filler because he's proven he won't be thabeet pt 2 but smart and a top 10 pick? Please

He was the clear number one until he tore his ACL. You can't honestly suggest that his draft pick position is reflective of his current worth.

Robert Covington is a good player btw... He's a 3nD guy with a crazy contract.

Nerlens numbers aren't the type that get inflated, being on a bad team doesn't help you block shots, force steals or alter opponents drives. He's a defensive stud.

[Forza Juventus]

I'm a big fan of Nerlens Noel. I would trade our first round pick in the draft for him but I doubt Philadelphia would. So I'd offer a future pick too. I think Philadelphia would insist on a Brooklyn pick but I'd want to hang onto those. But I think Philadelphia won't consider trading him until they see Embiid play.

[Ilikesports17]

Noel went 6 overall in the worst draft in recent memory two years ago smart went 6 overall in what is perceived to be one of the best. Since then neither have done anything shocking. Smart and our first is ridiculous IMO. Robert Covington has been 17 pts 6 boards and 2 steals this month. On a team like Philly where opponents see them as a bye week you can't read into stats. I value him same as I did two years ago. Worthy of a 4-8 pick in a bad draft which I believe translates to 7-12 in an avg draft. Maybe I pd throw in some filler because he's proven he won't be thabeet pt 2 but smart and a top 10 pick? Please

He was the clear number one until he tore his ACL. You can't honestly suggest that his draft pick position is reflective of his current worth.

Robert Covington is a good player btw... He's a 3nD guy with a crazy contract.

Nerlens numbers aren't the type that get inflated, being on a bad team doesn't help you block shots, force steals or alter opponents drives. He's a defensive stud.

I don't buy that he is a good offensive player and I think rebounding is inflated. Like wise steals and blocks are inflated a bit as he plays against a lot of second units.

I have only seen him in a few games and he hasn't impressed me but the more I look into it the more convinced I am that at the very least he is a rim protector and could grow into a Tyson chandler roy Hibbert type. If his O comes along then you are looking at a stud.

I wouldn't be willing to part with a ton of pieces for a guy who can't play offense. From he's you have seen of Noel, do you see offensive potential? Honest question I haven't seen enough of him. Does he have a semblance of a midrange game, or post moves? Is he a good finisher?

[MSceltic]

The thing is, if Noel is available it means the 76ers drafted a big man and are too crowded. That means we would not have to grossly over pay for him. Bradley and our pick? Sully and our pick? Are we getting a Greek god? I think we could get Noel for a lot less in that situation.

Given what rim protectors are going for now days I think that is extremely unrealistic. That's a severe underpay.

Maybe, but at the same time why pay for him at all? What has he done to earn sully or bradley and our first this year? Sully and bradley have atleast shown they can perform. Also our pick this year can easily yield us WCS who is thicker and has proven just as much as noel with out having to give up that severe underpay.

[colincb]

As much as this rookie class was hype... Nerlens Noel currently has the highest EFF rating of any rookie in the league.  Statistically, he's been rather good.   Considering he's coming off a major injury and he's just a baby, he's someone who I can't imagine Philly will trade anytime soon.

In the last month he's averaging 9 points, 7 rebounds, 3 blocks and 2 steals.   He's projecting to be a DPOY candidate long-term.  I don't care about his offense, he looks like he'll be a game-changer.  He deserves more ROY buzz than he's getting.

Oh the irony that Celtic fans will scoff at Nerlens' meager stats while claiming Marcus Smart (7 points, 3.5 assists, 36% shooting) is a "Future Stah, baby!"

Where are you getting your efficiency ratings from because Noel does not have the highest PER or PIE for rookies which are both derived from the old efficiency rating ("EFF") the NBA used to report at NBA.com.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

The thing is, if Noel is available it means the 76ers drafted a big man and are too crowded. That means we would not have to grossly over pay for him. Bradley and our pick? Sully and our pick? Are we getting a Greek god? I think we could get Noel for a lot less in that situation.

Given what rim protectors are going for now days I think that is extremely unrealistic. That's a severe underpay.

Maybe, but at the same time why pay for him at all? What has he done to earn sully or bradley and our first this year? Sully and bradley have atleast shown they can perform. Also our pick this year can easily yield us WCS who is thicker and has proven just as much as noel with out having to give up that severe underpay.

What he's done is have one of the best defensive seasons for a rookie ever... He's a pretty unique defensive player, and if he learns to catch and dunk a lob with some consistency he's going to be fine in the PnR given his athleticism.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

Noel went 6 overall in the worst draft in recent memory two years ago smart went 6 overall in what is perceived to be one of the best. Since then neither have done anything shocking. Smart and our first is ridiculous IMO. Robert Covington has been 17 pts 6 boards and 2 steals this month. On a team like Philly where opponents see them as a bye week you can't read into stats. I value him same as I did two years ago. Worthy of a 4-8 pick in a bad draft which I believe translates to 7-12 in an avg draft. Maybe I pd throw in some filler because he's proven he won't be thabeet pt 2 but smart and a top 10 pick? Please

He was the clear number one until he tore his ACL. You can't honestly suggest that his draft pick position is reflective of his current worth.

Robert Covington is a good player btw... He's a 3nD guy with a crazy contract.

Nerlens numbers aren't the type that get inflated, being on a bad team doesn't help you block shots, force steals or alter opponents drives. He's a defensive stud.

I don't buy that he is a good offensive player and I think rebounding is inflated. Like wise steals and blocks are inflated a bit as he plays against a lot of second units.

I have only seen him in a few games and he hasn't impressed me but the more I look into it the more convinced I am that at the very least he is a rim protector and could grow into a Tyson chandler roy Hibbert type. If his O comes along then you are looking at a stud.

I wouldn't be willing to part with a ton of pieces for a guy who can't play offense. From he's you have seen of Noel, do you see offensive potential? Honest question I haven't seen enough of him. Does he have a semblance of a midrange game, or post moves? Is he a good finisher?

Nerlens has started 47 games, he's not playing 2nd units and I'm sorry but it makes no sense to argue that blocked shots or steals are inflated. He's not a good rebounder yet anyways, so I can't see how that's inflated.

His offensive potential is a guy who can finish going to the rim and pass out of the high post. The Shot is broken and I'm bearish on the ability to fix it. He's not bad a dribbling with a purpose for a guy his size either. He's a guy who can become a workable offensive player, he'll never be a good one in my opinion.

[MSceltic]

The thing is, if Noel is available it means the 76ers drafted a big man and are too crowded. That means we would not have to grossly over pay for him. Bradley and our pick? Sully and our pick? Are we getting a Greek god? I think we could get Noel for a lot less in that situation.

Given what rim protectors are going for now days I think that is extremely unrealistic. That's a severe underpay.

Maybe, but at the same time why pay for him at all? What has he done to earn sully or bradley and our first this year? Sully and bradley have atleast shown they can perform. Also our pick this year can easily yield us WCS who is thicker and has proven just as much as noel with out having to give up that severe underpay.

What he's done is have one of the best defensive seasons for a rookie ever... He's a pretty unique defensive player, and if he learns to catch and dunk a lob with some consistency he's going to be fine in the PnR given his athleticism.

WCS has proved for 3 years that he can catch a lob, also I think we are forgetting he has an advantage over other rookies having basically redshirted last year in the NBA. I'm not playing he is anywhere near a bad player, I'm just not wanting to give up that much for him.

[Hawkeye199]

No for the reason that while he is an amazing defensive player he is a terrible offensive player in the words of  espn analysts David Thorpe   "Noel is a wrecking crew on the defensive side of the court, thanks to elite-level quickness in that long and springy body. But he is a wreck on offense; basically, it's 4-on-5 for the Sixers when he is in the game. Surprisingly, he isn't at all a factor in the transition game, which is perhaps the first place he should start making an impact on offense."

We already have weak offensive players while I agree we desperately need a defensive big man I want someone who can at least hold their own on offense.

[celticsclay]

To answer the OP's question - a resounding YES!

But the main reason I clicked on the thread was to see LarBrd33's responses...seriously 

Haha yea me too. Cleveland is the greatest. Lebron is a greek god and Philadelphia has the brightest future of any team in the history of sports.

[celticsclay]

Noel went 6 overall in the worst draft in recent memory two years ago smart went 6 overall in what is perceived to be one of the best. Since then neither have done anything shocking. Smart and our first is ridiculous IMO. Robert Covington has been 17 pts 6 boards and 2 steals this month. On a team like Philly where opponents see them as a bye week you can't read into stats. I value him same as I did two years ago. Worthy of a 4-8 pick in a bad draft which I believe translates to 7-12 in an avg draft. Maybe I pd throw in some filler because he's proven he won't be thabeet pt 2 but smart and a top 10 pick? Please

He was the clear number one until he tore his ACL. You can't honestly suggest that his draft pick position is reflective of his current worth.

Robert Covington is a good player btw... He's a 3nD guy with a crazy contract.

Nerlens numbers aren't the type that get inflated, being on a bad team doesn't help you block shots, force steals or alter opponents drives. He's a defensive stud.

I don't buy that he is a good offensive player and I think rebounding is inflated. Like wise steals and blocks are inflated a bit as he plays against a lot of second units.

I have only seen him in a few games and he hasn't impressed me but the more I look into it the more convinced I am that at the very least he is a rim protector and could grow into a Tyson chandler roy Hibbert type. If his O comes along then you are looking at a stud.

I wouldn't be willing to part with a ton of pieces for a guy who can't play offense. From he's you have seen of Noel, do you see offensive potential? Honest question I haven't seen enough of him. Does he have a semblance of a midrange game, or post moves? Is he a good finisher?

Nerlens has started 47 games, he's not playing 2nd units and I'm sorry but it makes no sense to argue that blocked shots or steals are inflated. He's not a good rebounder yet anyways, so I can't see how that's inflated.

His offensive potential is a guy who can finish going to the rim and pass out of the high post. The Shot is broken and I'm bearish on the ability to fix it. He's not bad a dribbling with a purpose for a guy his size either. He's a guy who can become a workable offensive player, he'll never be a good one in my opinion.

There is a little truth to both sides of this. While I don't necessarily buy the argument that his blocks are inflated, there could be some truth to him going against teams backups more than the average starter. While they have improved dramatically in the last month, the first three months of the season Philadelphia was getting blown out very regularly with 15 losses of 20 points or more and a few 30+ losses. In those types of games he is still getting minutes when other teams are resting their starters more and sometimes have second or third stringers in. There is nothing wrong with this, they want to get a young developing guy as many minutes as his conditioning can handle. However, in general because of the nature of their roster it is really hard to tell how good the 76er's players are. Unfortunately, after trading mcdaniels and MCW, they have even less servicable players on the floor. Not sure if posters realize they are starting tim frazier right now.

This  makes it really hard to tell how good players like Noel and Covington are. His offense might actually look a heck of a lot better on a different team. That being said, I think Ainge would be driven out of town if he ever traded okafor for Noel straight up. That seems a little silly.

[apc]

Totally make sense for Philly. if they take a pick for Noel, that means they can keep tanking another year, 

[mmmmm]

I would trade our first this year plus any of one of our current roster for Noel OR a chance to draft in the top 5.

Unfortunately, I don't believe that anyone would make any of those trades for us.  The Sixers probably won't move Noel at that price and I doubt anyone with a top 5 pick would give it up for that price.   

Alternatively, if we just lose all the rest of our games, we have a chance of 'climbing' back into a top 5 pick.  And Noel will be a FA (restricted) in a couple of years.  We could just wait to sign him then (having to make a pretty hefty offer to keep Philly from matching, of course).

So, while it would be painful (losing every game this year & overpaying in a couple years), we technically could get both of those things without trading anything.

 

[PickNRoll]

I wouldn't trade the Sixers 2nd rounder for Noel straight up, in basketball terms, ignoring the fact that it would upgrade the value of our asset.   Noel is abysmal on offense and overrated on defense.  Brandan Wright is a much better player.

I'd give up quit a bit for Embiid though.

[mahcus smaht]

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

This link attempts to calculate rim protection. It does this by calculating pts saved pergame. I dont know how reliable it is but a top 3 of Gobert, Hibbert, Bogut sounds about right. Anyway, it lists Noel behind Tyler Zeller.

He is a rookie, and he is listed right up there with some fantastic defensive centers, but lets not act like hes a dominant defender yet and there is some fear he will never even be decent on O.

I like him. I see him having a similar career to Tyson Chandler. But I see  that as a ceiling. I like some other posters would take Smart and Brooklyn 2016 off the table and then pretty much tell philly to take their pick of picks and players. I would offer our 2015, then the option between Sully, KO, or any other picks not belonging to the Nets.