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Quote from: Roy H. on February 11, 2015, 04:32:56 PMQuote from: nickagneta on February 11, 2015, 04:04:38 PMRoy, you are only going to confuse triboy if you bring facts into a discussion. Stop that!!!Well, I don't want to take a personal shot at another poster. TB is entitled to an opinion. That said, it's been a weird debate. It sort of goes: Step 1. DMC critic makes blatantly false claim about DMC;Step 2. Other posters disagree, and post evidence;Step 3. No response from DMC critic;Step 4. DMC critic goes back to Step 1, either with the same claim or an equally specious one.There's no give and take. It's like "DMC should take more charges", and when told that DMC has actually led the league in charges taken for two years in a row, there's just complete silence. How is that debate? Roy bottom line is Kings are not a good team with cousin being the man. They will attract no key FAs either. Thats how much key FAs want to play with CousinsI never said he was not skilled. But he is missing " other" things that makes a player a positive teammate ,leader etc. Help a team be a better teamMaybe a guy like Smart could be a good influence on a guy like cousins. Still i would not give up a 2015 1st to take that risk
Quote from: nickagneta on February 11, 2015, 04:04:38 PMRoy, you are only going to confuse triboy if you bring facts into a discussion. Stop that!!!Well, I don't want to take a personal shot at another poster. TB is entitled to an opinion. That said, it's been a weird debate. It sort of goes: Step 1. DMC critic makes blatantly false claim about DMC;Step 2. Other posters disagree, and post evidence;Step 3. No response from DMC critic;Step 4. DMC critic goes back to Step 1, either with the same claim or an equally specious one.There's no give and take. It's like "DMC should take more charges", and when told that DMC has actually led the league in charges taken for two years in a row, there's just complete silence. How is that debate?
Roy, you are only going to confuse triboy if you bring facts into a discussion. Stop that!!!
To me there is more risk in picking a one and done big man out of college than picking the guy who is already producing 23/12 in the western conf. Yeah the cap hit is way bigger, but we are getting a sure fire all star, not waiting 3-5 years to see if we picked correctly. But then I don't see Okafor or Towns as a sure fire multiple all star in the Anthony Davis mode like some others do I guess.
Quote from: triboy16f on February 11, 2015, 05:55:17 PMQuote from: Roy H. on February 11, 2015, 04:32:56 PMQuote from: nickagneta on February 11, 2015, 04:04:38 PMRoy, you are only going to confuse triboy if you bring facts into a discussion. Stop that!!!Well, I don't want to take a personal shot at another poster. TB is entitled to an opinion. That said, it's been a weird debate. It sort of goes: Step 1. DMC critic makes blatantly false claim about DMC;Step 2. Other posters disagree, and post evidence;Step 3. No response from DMC critic;Step 4. DMC critic goes back to Step 1, either with the same claim or an equally specious one.There's no give and take. It's like "DMC should take more charges", and when told that DMC has actually led the league in charges taken for two years in a row, there's just complete silence. How is that debate? Roy bottom line is Kings are not a good team with cousin being the man. They will attract no key FAs either. Thats how much key FAs want to play with CousinsI never said he was not skilled. But he is missing " other" things that makes a player a positive teammate ,leader etc. Help a team be a better teamMaybe a guy like Smart could be a good influence on a guy like cousins. Still i would not give up a 2015 1st to take that riskYou wouldn't even give up a single 1st round pick for a young, established center that is averaging 24/12. That's nuts!!! Cousins doesn't have to do everything and be everything for a team. He can be the best player on the team but other players can provide the leadership, positive energy, do the dirty work, etc. If by some miracle we got Cousins that would just be the 1st step. Ainge would still have to build a championship caliber team around him.
Honestly this topic is a fantasy imo. Ainge will not give up the 2015 #1 plus Sully etc for Cousins.
What people don’t understand is that we could’ve still done all that (the trades) and, with the No. 1 pick, maybe been able to keep a player like a Delonte West or an Al Jefferson (who were sent to Seattle and Minnesota, respectively),” Ainge told The Bee over the summer.“We hated trading them away. We had discussed the possibility of trading the No. 1 pick or the No. 2 pick also. And when you get the No. 5 pick, you just don’t have the same (leverage). If you got the No. 1 or No. 2 pick, sometimes that by itself gets you a lot.
Quote from: triboy16f on February 11, 2015, 07:46:31 AMQuote from: saltlover on February 11, 2015, 12:37:14 AMI'm very pro-Cousins, and think a lot of the criticism is unwarranted. But according to the NBA's brand-new player tracking stats, he's dead last in distance covered per 48 minutes -- 525th out of 525 players. Someone's got to be last, but it probably shouldn't be a franchise player.http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/speed/?sort=DIST_48&dir=1I wonder what Roy thinks about this stat. The effort is not consistent. You can just tell by watching gamesI think it's a fairly useless stat, honestly. Interesting, maybe, but if your center is running all over the court, he's doing something wrong.Did you see who else is at the bottom of the list?David WestChris BoshMarc GasolNikola PekovicHassan WhitesideBrook LopezDwight HowardAndrew BogutKevin DurantAl JeffersonTim DuncanDirk NowitzkiLaMarcus AldridgeThose guys are all below 500th in the league on a per-minute basis. Guys below #450th include Lebron James, Anthony Davis, James Harden, Carmelo Anthony, Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, DeAndre Jordan, Roy Hibbert, Al Horford and Pau Gasol.Once again, I assume that you wouldn't want any of those guys on the Celtics? I mean, if they don't even rank in the top-450 in the NBA of running around the court, they must not be putting in effort, correct?
Quote from: saltlover on February 11, 2015, 12:37:14 AMI'm very pro-Cousins, and think a lot of the criticism is unwarranted. But according to the NBA's brand-new player tracking stats, he's dead last in distance covered per 48 minutes -- 525th out of 525 players. Someone's got to be last, but it probably shouldn't be a franchise player.http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/speed/?sort=DIST_48&dir=1I wonder what Roy thinks about this stat. The effort is not consistent. You can just tell by watching games
I'm very pro-Cousins, and think a lot of the criticism is unwarranted. But according to the NBA's brand-new player tracking stats, he's dead last in distance covered per 48 minutes -- 525th out of 525 players. Someone's got to be last, but it probably shouldn't be a franchise player.http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/speed/?sort=DIST_48&dir=1
Honestly, Cousins is a phenomenal player, but he has become quite overrated. Concerningly low FG% for a big man, and he's not quite a rim protector. With the #1 pick I'd rather gamble on Okafor.
Quote from: chambers on February 11, 2015, 08:15:40 AMWould the Kings have 5-10 more wins with Marc Gasol instead of Cousins? ... if Marc Gasol is the popular choice for best big man in the NBA or you voted yes, why did you vote yes?They'd probably have 2 or 3 more wins because Cousins missed 10 games with meningitis. However, on the court I don't think Gasol would have made any positive difference. The Kings have been very good with Boogie in the game, and I doubt that Gasol could improve on that.
Would the Kings have 5-10 more wins with Marc Gasol instead of Cousins? ... if Marc Gasol is the popular choice for best big man in the NBA or you voted yes, why did you vote yes?
Seems like guys don't watch many Kings games. Cousins is a force of nature. His numbers are good, but he's even better than the numbers indicate. When he's in the paint, he owns it - just swallows up every tough rebound. 28-19-5 with 4 blocks tonight.
Quote from: Roy H. on February 11, 2015, 08:32:40 AMQuote from: chambers on February 11, 2015, 08:15:40 AMWould the Kings have 5-10 more wins with Marc Gasol instead of Cousins? ... if Marc Gasol is the popular choice for best big man in the NBA or you voted yes, why did you vote yes?They'd probably have 2 or 3 more wins because Cousins missed 10 games with meningitis. However, on the court I don't think Gasol would have made any positive difference. The Kings have been very good with Boogie in the game, and I doubt that Gasol could improve on that.Gasol is a far better all around player then Cousins. Of course he would make a difference.
Quote from: bostonsportsforlife on February 11, 2015, 07:24:23 PMHonestly, Cousins is a phenomenal player, but he has become quite overrated. Concerningly low FG% for a big man, and he's not quite a rim protector. With the #1 pick I'd rather gamble on Okafor.I agree. 46 percent for a big who doesn't shoot threes is not good. Another point that nobody is mentioning is we would only have Cousins for two years. If we landed the number one pick, we would have him for at least 7 years.
Quote from: KeepRondo on February 11, 2015, 08:02:04 PMQuote from: bostonsportsforlife on February 11, 2015, 07:24:23 PMHonestly, Cousins is a phenomenal player, but he has become quite overrated. Concerningly low FG% for a big man, and he's not quite a rim protector. With the #1 pick I'd rather gamble on Okafor.I agree. 46 percent for a big who doesn't shoot threes is not good. Another point that nobody is mentioning is we would only have Cousins for two years. If we landed the number one pick, we would have him for at least 7 years.Cousins is signed through 2018, with no player option/ETO. C's would have three seasons of an All-Star big, and more if they re-signed him (which would be the intent presuming it worked out). His final two years will be a bargain given the salary cap increase as well. The contract is not worth being concerned about.He's 24, and a dominant player. His best years are ahead of him. He would be franchise-altering if acquired.
Quote from: saltlover on February 11, 2015, 11:42:48 PMQuote from: KeepRondo on February 11, 2015, 08:02:04 PMQuote from: bostonsportsforlife on February 11, 2015, 07:24:23 PMHonestly, Cousins is a phenomenal player, but he has become quite overrated. Concerningly low FG% for a big man, and he's not quite a rim protector. With the #1 pick I'd rather gamble on Okafor.I agree. 46 percent for a big who doesn't shoot threes is not good. Another point that nobody is mentioning is we would only have Cousins for two years. If we landed the number one pick, we would have him for at least 7 years.Cousins is signed through 2018, with no player option/ETO. C's would have three seasons of an All-Star big, and more if they re-signed him (which would be the intent presuming it worked out). His final two years will be a bargain given the salary cap increase as well. The contract is not worth being concerned about.He's 24, and a dominant player. His best years are ahead of him. He would be franchise-altering if acquired.Has he been franchise altering in Sacramento? What makes you so certain he would be here? Also, the length of his contract is a big deal. If this dude Cousins left after 3 years while the number one pick went on to be an all star, people would want to walk Ainge out of town.