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If Celtics landed the #1 NBA drat pick, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?

Yes, even though Okafor could be chosen instead
63 (51.2%)
No, I'd rather gamble on Okafor (or other draft pick) rather than trade for Cousins
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Offline Clench123

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How could you not want this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gFEgk4KsGI

(Notice the score, and he's still hustling.)



It's unfair for a guy that big to be able to run the floor like that.

Exactly my thought, Roy.  It'll be a colossal mistake to have a chance at getting someone like him and not take it. 

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How could you not want this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gFEgk4KsGI

(Notice the score, and he's still hustling.)



It's unfair for a guy that big to be able to run the floor like that.

Exactly my thought, Roy.  It'll be a colossal mistake to have a chance at getting someone like him and not take it.
I'd love to get Cousins but only if there was a plan to get quality starters around him.  With the current level of talent on the team, I think Cousins would become disgruntled.  I'd also be concerned about the ability of CBS to coach Cousins.   

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How could you not want this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gFEgk4KsGI

(Notice the score, and he's still hustling.)



It's unfair for a guy that big to be able to run the floor like that.

Exactly my thought, Roy.  It'll be a colossal mistake to have a chance at getting someone like him and not take it.
I'd love to get Cousins but only if there was a plan to get quality starters around him.  With the current level of talent on the team, I think Cousins would become disgruntled.  I'd also be concerned about the ability of CBS to coach Cousins.

I know I'm crazy to believe this, but I believe Smart would be a great influence/teammate for Cousins. A player who gives it all on the play may at least appeal to Cousins, especially given their intensity.

What quality starters did you have in mind? Magic is offering Harkless for a first round pick.
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He's going to want to play on a team that wins more than 30 games, seems like he's getting sick of being a loser, or he's just a **** all the time.

You know what, I think people greatly misinterpret Cousins.

What I see when I look at Cousins is a guy who is frustrated.  A guy who is stick and tired of putting in 120% effort every night, while the rest of his team mates play in cruise control.

A guy who is sick and tired of being part of an organisation that hasn't shown a single moment of stability since the late 90's / early 2000's. 

I don't think Cousins is frustrated about losing games specifically.  I think he's frustrated because he's losing games that he know he could win if everybody else on the team played like (they gave a hoot) as hard as he does. 

I actually don't think Cousins would mind being in Boston. 

I actually think he'd love playing for a coach like Stevens - BS is a people person.  He's polite, he's respectful, he's approachable, he's easy going and he has outstanding basketball knowledge.  I think a guy like Cousins responds better to a coach like that then he would to a very strict / formal coach.   

I also think he'd enjoy playing with the Boston lineup.  Guys like Sully and Marcus Smart who fight for every single play and possession.  I think he'd respect a group of guys who play hard, even if they don't win games.

One thing a lot of people neglect to recognise is that DMC has had chances to leave Sacramento to go to a place with better staff and win more games, but he's stuck around.  He's shown some loyalty, and that's honestly pretty rare for a guy his age. 

Ultimately, you have to put yourself in DMC's shoes.  Imagine you're playing on a franchise.  You bust your butt and put up dominant performances on a nightly basis - you give it everything you can give every night.  But then you look at your teammates, and they are playing like it's a pick up game.  You look at the head office, and they are changing coaches left, right and center.  Every night you're getting blown out by rubbish teams, and you feel hopeless because you are already going out there every night doing everything you possible can.  How would you possibly NOT be frustrated, even downright offended?

I honestly see a competitive young guy who's misunderstood.  I think he just wants to be in a place that has a stable front office, flexible coaching staff, and a group of teammates who play with heart.  I really think that's all he wants.
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How could you not want this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gFEgk4KsGI

(Notice the score, and he's still hustling.)



It's unfair for a guy that big to be able to run the floor like that.

Exactly my thought, Roy.  It'll be a colossal mistake to have a chance at getting someone like him and not take it.
I'd love to get Cousins but only if there was a plan to get quality starters around him.  With the current level of talent on the team, I think Cousins would become disgruntled.  I'd also be concerned about the ability of CBS to coach Cousins.

I know I'm crazy to believe this, but I believe Smart would be a great influence/teammate for Cousins. A player who gives it all on the play may at least appeal to Cousins, especially given their intensity.

What quality starters did you have in mind? Magic is offering Harkless for a first round pick.
The current team consists of a bunch of young and/or mediocre talent.  Acquiring Cousins should put us in the playoffs but it won't make us contenders.  We'd still need players to be the #2 and #3 starters and I don't see anyone currently on the team doing so.  I'd offer Butler or Leonard max but would fallback to Harris or Deng or even Pierce.  I don't see Smart as a primary ball handler so I'd look at Dragic or Rondo (if playoff Rondo shows up) or another interesting option would be Ellis.  I think a Smart/Ellis backcourt would work well together and Ellis driving the lane would create opportunities for Cousins.  Another plus, assuming we still have the Dallas pick, is losing Ellis would significantly hurt Dallas' chance of making the playoffs. 

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Why would anybody want to trade okafor for cousins?

Cousins is like the anti smart. Tries when he wants to.

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Why would anybody want to trade okafor for cousins?

Cousins is like the anti smart. Tries when he wants to.
Because Cousins is one of the best centers in the NBA and chances are small that Okafor will ever reach his level.  Okafor's defense is not good.  I think the comparison to Big Al is a good one.  If Towns finishes up the season like he's played the last couple games, I'd probably take Towns over Okafor. 

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Why would anybody want to trade okafor for cousins?

Cousins is like the anti smart. Tries when he wants to.
Because Cousins is one of the best centers in the NBA and chances are small that Okafor will ever reach his level.  Okafor's defense is not good.  I think the comparison to Big Al is a good one.  If Towns finishes up the season like he's played the last couple games, I'd probably take Towns over Okafor.


Cousins is overrated. He will beat up on teams without a good big player. Above avg big players like vucevic , monroe, nurkic, even sully have consistently outplayed him. His defense especially man to man is overrated.

I do agree that towns could end up being a better overall player vs okafor

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I would trade the first pick for him, probably. I can't stand him though. He makes it hard for me to like him. Maybe if he was on the Celtics I'll have a change of heart
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Tonights Duke game versus Fl State was the 1st time I had watched a full Duke game all year.  I have seen a lot of Okafor highlights but never a full game.  Tonight wasn't a very inspiring game from JO.  He got into foul trouble, looked out of position a lot on defense and just didn't have that overwhelming star quality everyone is talking about.  His D looked suspect to me.

Maybe I caught him on a really bad night and he will be a great nba player, but I would choose trading the pick for Cousins.

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Why would anybody want to trade okafor for cousins?

Cousins is like the anti smart. Tries when he wants to.
Because Cousins is one of the best centers in the NBA and chances are small that Okafor will ever reach his level.  Okafor's defense is not good.  I think the comparison to Big Al is a good one.  If Towns finishes up the season like he's played the last couple games, I'd probably take Towns over Okafor.


Cousins is overrated. He will beat up on teams without a good big player. Above avg big players like vucevic , monroe, nurkic, even sully have consistently outplayed him. His defense especially man to man is overrated.

I do agree that towns could end up being a better overall player vs okafor

This is another case of you making ridiculous claims unsupported by facts.

23/11/2blk vs chandler and the mavs
26/11/4 blk vs bogut and the warriors
20/19 vs hibbert and the pacers
28/11 vs bogut and the warriors
22/19/4 vs aldridge, kaman and the blazers
32/16/9/1 vs chandler and the mavs
22/12/3 blk vs m.gasol and the grizz
34/17/3 vs deandre jordan and the clips
22/14/4 vs noah/gasol and the bulls
22/12 vs anthony davis
25/10 vs duncan and the spurs

Now tell me again if he only beat up teams without good big men.  ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Why would anybody want to trade okafor for cousins?

Cousins is like the anti smart. Tries when he wants to.
Because Cousins is one of the best centers in the NBA and chances are small that Okafor will ever reach his level.  Okafor's defense is not good.  I think the comparison to Big Al is a good one.  If Towns finishes up the season like he's played the last couple games, I'd probably take Towns over Okafor.


Cousins is overrated. He will beat up on teams without a good big player. Above avg big players like vucevic , monroe, nurkic, even sully have consistently outplayed him. His defense especially man to man is overrated.

I do agree that towns could end up being a better overall player vs okafor

This is another case of you making ridiculous claims unsupported by facts.

23/11/2blk vs chandler and the mavs
26/11/4 blk vs bogut and the warriors
20/19 vs hibbert and the pacers
28/11 vs bogut and the warriors
22/19/4 vs aldridge, kaman and the blazers
32/16/9/1 vs chandler and the mavs
22/12/3 blk vs m.gasol and the grizz
34/17/3 vs deandre jordan and the clips
22/14/4 vs noah/gasol and the bulls
22/12 vs anthony davis
25/10 vs duncan and the spurs

Now tell me again if he only beat up teams without good big men.  ::) ::) ::) ::)

Nice job doing the research.  Yeah, the post above is an entirely fictional claim, stated as fact.


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Cousins is overrated. He will beat up on teams without a good big player. Above avg big players like vucevic , monroe, nurkic, even sully have consistently outplayed him. His defense especially man to man is overrated.

To add further to RyA's post above, career numbers H2H follow:

Cousins vs. Vucevic:  +11.5 points, +4.5 rebounds, +1.5 assists, +1.3 blocks
Cousins vs. Monroe: +4.5 points, +2.4 rebounds, -0.7 assists, +1.0 blocks
Cousins vs. Nurkic: +19.7 points, +3.7 rebounds, +1.3 assists, -0.3 blocks
Cousins vs. Sully:  +1.5 points, +2.3 rebounds, +3.5 assists, -0.2 blocks

So, of the four players that you mentioned "consistently outplayed" Cousins, he has historically outrebounded and outshot all of them, and has been even or a little better in terms of assists and blocks.


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Why would anybody want to trade okafor for cousins?

Cousins is like the anti smart. Tries when he wants to.
Because Cousins is one of the best centers in the NBA and chances are small that Okafor will ever reach his level.  Okafor's defense is not good.  I think the comparison to Big Al is a good one.  If Towns finishes up the season like he's played the last couple games, I'd probably take Towns over Okafor.


Cousins is overrated. He will beat up on teams without a good big player. Above avg big players like vucevic , monroe, nurkic, even sully have consistently outplayed him. His defense especially man to man is overrated.

I do agree that towns could end up being a better overall player vs okafor

This is another case of you making ridiculous claims unsupported by facts.

23/11/2blk vs chandler and the mavs
26/11/4 blk vs bogut and the warriors
20/19 vs hibbert and the pacers
28/11 vs bogut and the warriors
22/19/4 vs aldridge, kaman and the blazers
32/16/9/1 vs chandler and the mavs
22/12/3 blk vs m.gasol and the grizz
34/17/3 vs deandre jordan and the clips
22/14/4 vs noah/gasol and the bulls
22/12 vs anthony davis
25/10 vs duncan and the spurs

Now tell me again if he only beat up teams without good big men.  ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Why would anybody want to trade okafor for cousins?

Cousins is like the anti smart. Tries when he wants to.
Because Cousins is one of the best centers in the NBA and chances are small that Okafor will ever reach his level.  Okafor's defense is not good.  I think the comparison to Big Al is a good one.  If Towns finishes up the season like he's played the last couple games, I'd probably take Towns over Okafor.


Cousins is overrated. He will beat up on teams without a good big player. Above avg big players like vucevic , monroe, nurkic, even sully have consistently outplayed him. His defense especially man to man is overrated.

I do agree that towns could end up being a better overall player vs okafor

This is another case of you making ridiculous claims unsupported by facts.

23/11/2blk vs chandler and the mavs
26/11/4 blk vs bogut and the warriors
20/19 vs hibbert and the pacers
28/11 vs bogut and the warriors
22/19/4 vs aldridge, kaman and the blazers
32/16/9/1 vs chandler and the mavs
22/12/3 blk vs m.gasol and the grizz
34/17/3 vs deandre jordan and the clips
22/14/4 vs noah/gasol and the bulls
22/12 vs anthony davis
25/10 vs duncan and the spurs

Now tell me again if he only beat up teams without good big men.  ::) ::) ::) ::)

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