Austin Rivers

[SHAQATTACK]

The clippers and Doc are helping us out just the same. I'm glad most of you aren't gm's because you'd ruin it. People just want to bust Rivers chops but I don't think Doc ever did anything wrong here.  That's just who he is and he took his leave and went to a better situation for him and for us when the time was right and got us a draft pick in the process.  Bill Simmons would have just fired his ass.  Doc to me is still a very good coach.  He just is who he is.  At least Doc and Danny had a mutual respect for each other and were able to work that stuff out.

DA knows what he is doing.

......have nothing against Doc Rivers ......good coach......

But dude ....Austin is not NBA material........a lot of said he should have stayed at Duke and got his education ......

That's what he should do ....take advantage of being rich, use Docs millions  , go back to school and get a job....like the rest of us,

[jpotter33]

One unmentioned benefit of all of this recent trade activity is the relationships, friends, and favors Danny is also gaining from helping these teams out. We've directly helped out Dallas, Memphis, Phoenix, NO, and now probably LA in giving/facilitating deals to help them in their winning pursuits. Favors, previous dealings, and good relationships with othere GMs will probably come back to benefit us later on when we're actually trying to win again.

For example:
The Boston connection between Ainge, Mchale, and Carlisle has been mentioned as aiding in both the KG and Rondo deals in the past.

I know a lot of people say Danny isn't loyal and whatnot but if I were a player, I would want to player here. ALL TEAMS trade players when they aren't useful or no longer fill a need for their teams but over the years that I have been a fan (since Shaq), he has sent all the players to better or no worse situations. At least when you're done with me, don't ship me to the 6ers (poor AK47), send me somewhere where people still have some respect for the team. Danny has been good at that.

Oh yeah, for sure. KG, Pierce, Terry, Lee, Rondo, Green, Wright were all traded to apparently good situations. He takes care of his players for sure. I think people get caught up in all of the rumors, because Danny is admittedly willing to listen to almost any offer.

[piercetruth34]

The clippers and Doc are helping us out just the same. I'm glad most of you aren't gm's because you'd ruin it. People just want to bust Rivers chops but I don't think Doc ever did anything wrong here.  That's just who he is and he took his leave and went to a better situation for him and for us when the time was right and got us a draft pick in the process.  Bill Simmons would have just fired his ass.  Doc to me is still a very good coach.  He just is who he is.  At least Doc and Danny had a mutual respect for each other and were able to work that stuff out.

DA knows what he is doing.

......have nothing against Doc Rivers ......good coach......

But dude ....Austin is not NBA material........a lot of said he should have stayed at Duke and got his education ......

That's what he should do ....take advantage of being rich, use Docs millions  , go back to school and get a job....like the rest of us,

The thing is this deal falls through fans are going to bust Doc's chops even more but even still these opportunities are there because we don't burn bridges.  If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out.  Maybe next time.

[vinnie]

I personally love the deal even more because of this.  I believe people are giving up on this talent way to early.

Even Danny Ainge seems to be giving up on Austin before he gets here -- 

[Scintan]

Austin Rivers is garbage.  He's a salary dump here.  If he gets minutes, it's to help us lose games and improve lottery position.

Seriously, he's one of the worst guards in the NBA.

What is the downside though? Would you rather have seen Salmons on the court? Salmons is on the downside of his career, Rivers could potentially improve under a new system. The worst that could happen is he plays like garbage and we don't pick up his QO next year. That would leave us in the exact same place we would have been with Salmons. I don't see any downside.

He costs more money, which is more Wyc's issue than mine.

I'm just amused to see people suggesting he's a good player, or that he is worth a first rounder. That's just bizarre to me.  People should be realistic about how useless Rivers has been.

Teams don't decline the 4th year option on a lottery pick very frequently.  New Orleans must be thrilled to clear his salary.  We should be getting compensated by them for taking him on.

What's his contract , 2 million ?  Why are they thrilled about clearing that ?

Low risk contract to take on, IMO.  22 years of age.  Get a coach in there that knows how to put him in a position to succeed.  Still really only a Senior in college, if that.

Even billionaires don't like paying millions for trash.

do you dislike the Rivers family or something?

What does it have to do with the Rivers family.  You seem awfully defensive of the guy.

He's had years in the league and just doesn't look like a serviceable pro who can make a difference on a team. Why doe it have to do with anything else? I don't like gunners who shoot under 40%.

He's played 165 games, so "years" is technically correct but just barely.

I just don't understand the venom behind declaring a 22 year old garbage and reacting with disgust to him coming to Boston.

A.  He's certainly better than Salmons at this point for this team.
B.  He doesn't have a problematic salary.
C.  He might get better with CBS.

Mike

When did pointing out that a lousy player is lousy somehow morph into "venom"?  Was it at the exact moment that the word "Celtics" became attached?

Plenty of people have remarked on Rivers not being any good.  Only a few act like Rivers peed in their cornflakes.  Can you tell the difference between these two statements?

"Rivers sucks but he's still young and if he can't get better, it doesn't cost us anything."

"Rivers sucks and always will suck and there's no possible way he will ever do anything but suck and no one should ever suggest anything different."

Mike

Rivers sucks.  If he wasn't reportedly heading to the Celtics, this would be a non-issue.  Because he's reportedly heading to the Celtics, some overly wound fans are acting as if pointing out the blatantly obvious is somehow an indication of a vendetta.

Yes, if the venom wasn't directed at Austin it would just flow to someone else, like it has to Green, Rondo, Bass, Smart, KO, Sully, Bradley, etc.

Mike

What you're calling venom, in regards to Austin, is nothing but a product of your own mind.

Since you haven't actually disputed anything I've said with something more substantial than "Nuh-uh", I don't think I'm the one lacking self-awareness.

Mike

You haven't really said anything beyond "Meanies!".  There's nothing to dispute.  You're taking something that was said, and playing it up in your mind, which is what I pointed out.

[Alleyoopster]

7 pages and counting for what to do with Austin Rivers. Impressive.

I agree, Impressive.  It's now up to 10 pages and counting.  LOL  (TP for you)

With all the vitriol he's getting one would think we were receiving a 5 year max-contracted Rajon back... 

[saltlover]

Celtics and Clippers discussing a deal for Austin Rivers, league sources tell Yahoo, but Boston doesn't want salary back next season.

Wojo

Isnt rivers a Fa next year?

But i would have made clippers jumped if they wanted rivers that bad

That's cold.  Doc will only take his son if he can dump salary on the Celtics in the process.

The Clippers simply don't have expiring contracts that match.  They don't have much room against the hard cap either.  Literally the only deal in which the Clippers can get Rivers only (as opposed to with other players) and the Celtics get back nothing in salary next year is for Ekpe Udoh and Chris Douglas-Roberts.  Turkoglu and Big Baby both are Early Bird free agents on 1-year deals, so can veto trades.  Everyone else has some amount of dollars committed next year.

[goCeltics]

udoh and CDR for austin and a 2nd seems fair, we would also get a trade exception equal to austin salary

[goCeltics]

actually cdr+udoh will not work under the cba cos they are over the tax threshold

[MBunge]

Austin Rivers is garbage.  He's a salary dump here.  If he gets minutes, it's to help us lose games and improve lottery position.

Seriously, he's one of the worst guards in the NBA.

What is the downside though? Would you rather have seen Salmons on the court? Salmons is on the downside of his career, Rivers could potentially improve under a new system. The worst that could happen is he plays like garbage and we don't pick up his QO next year. That would leave us in the exact same place we would have been with Salmons. I don't see any downside.

He costs more money, which is more Wyc's issue than mine.

I'm just amused to see people suggesting he's a good player, or that he is worth a first rounder. That's just bizarre to me.  People should be realistic about how useless Rivers has been.

Teams don't decline the 4th year option on a lottery pick very frequently.  New Orleans must be thrilled to clear his salary.  We should be getting compensated by them for taking him on.

What's his contract , 2 million ?  Why are they thrilled about clearing that ?

Low risk contract to take on, IMO.  22 years of age.  Get a coach in there that knows how to put him in a position to succeed.  Still really only a Senior in college, if that.

Even billionaires don't like paying millions for trash.

do you dislike the Rivers family or something?

What does it have to do with the Rivers family.  You seem awfully defensive of the guy.

He's had years in the league and just doesn't look like a serviceable pro who can make a difference on a team. Why doe it have to do with anything else? I don't like gunners who shoot under 40%.

He's played 165 games, so "years" is technically correct but just barely.

I just don't understand the venom behind declaring a 22 year old garbage and reacting with disgust to him coming to Boston.

A.  He's certainly better than Salmons at this point for this team.
B.  He doesn't have a problematic salary.
C.  He might get better with CBS.

Mike

When did pointing out that a lousy player is lousy somehow morph into "venom"?  Was it at the exact moment that the word "Celtics" became attached?

Plenty of people have remarked on Rivers not being any good.  Only a few act like Rivers peed in their cornflakes.  Can you tell the difference between these two statements?

"Rivers sucks but he's still young and if he can't get better, it doesn't cost us anything."

"Rivers sucks and always will suck and there's no possible way he will ever do anything but suck and no one should ever suggest anything different."

Mike

Rivers sucks.  If he wasn't reportedly heading to the Celtics, this would be a non-issue.  Because he's reportedly heading to the Celtics, some overly wound fans are acting as if pointing out the blatantly obvious is somehow an indication of a vendetta.

Yes, if the venom wasn't directed at Austin it would just flow to someone else, like it has to Green, Rondo, Bass, Smart, KO, Sully, Bradley, etc.

Mike

What you're calling venom, in regards to Austin, is nothing but a product of your own mind.

Since you haven't actually disputed anything I've said with something more substantial than "Nuh-uh", I don't think I'm the one lacking self-awareness.

Mike

You haven't really said anything beyond "Meanies!".  There's nothing to dispute.  You're taking something that was said, and playing it up in your mind, which is what I pointed out.

Well, I've pointed out that there's at least some possibility that Rivers could improve.  After all, while there were lots of people who thought Rivers should have stayed in school another year or more, there was near universal agreement that Rivers had NBA-level talent.  I've also pointed out that since Rivers is a FA after this season, there's no long term salary problem from getting him.  If he keeps sucking, we can just waive goodbye to him and move on.  That's two perfectly clear and legitimate arguments.  Are you bothering to actually read this thread?

And here's another two arguments for you.  Since we are clearly in tank mode now, why would anyone be bothered by Boston adding a terrible player to the roster?  If Rivers would make us lose more games, isn't that a good thing in this situation?  And it appears there is at least one team willing to give us something for Rivers, which is one more than for Salmons so far.

That makes four, count 'em, four arguments against being overly or dismissively negative about acquiring Rivers.  Is THAT clear enough for you?

Mike

[saltlover]

actually cdr+udoh will not work under the cba cos they are over the tax threshold

You can bring back up to 125%+$100k when over tax.

($981,084 (Udoh) + $915,243 (CDR)) x 1.25 + $100,000 = $2,470,408

Rivers makes $2,439,840. Works with $30k to spare.

Of course, to do this and not release anyone currently on the roster C's would first need to complete deal for Prince and Rivers, then separately trade Rivers to Clips and release Prince to stay at 15 players.

EDIT: Above salaries are from Hoopshype.  Im fairly sure CDR makes more than Hoopshype listed (he should make same as Udoh) which makes deal work with even more room, but it works either way.

[vjcsmoke]

At least Austin Rivers could be better than Pressey... maybe?  LOL. I don't see how we lose with this pickup.  He's a former 1st rounder getting a change of scenery and his contract expires after this year.  We also have his RFA rights if we want to keep him around, ie if he shows improvement in green.

[saltlover]

At least Austin Rivers could be better than Pressey... maybe?  LOL. I don't see how we lose with this pickup.  He's a former 1st rounder getting a change of scenery and his contract expires after this year.  We also have his RFA rights if we want to keep him around, ie if he shows improvement in green.

One small point - Rivers will not be an RFA.  1st round picks who do not have their rookie contract options picked up become unrestricted free agents.

[guava_wrench]

The clippers and Doc are helping us out just the same. I'm glad most of you aren't gm's because you'd ruin it. People just want to bust Rivers chops but I don't think Doc ever did anything wrong here.  That's just who he is and he took his leave and went to a better situation for him and for us when the time was right and got us a draft pick in the process.  Bill Simmons would have just fired his ass.  Doc to me is still a very good coach.  He just is who he is.  At least Doc and Danny had a mutual respect for each other and were able to work that stuff out.

DA knows what he is doing.

......have nothing against Doc Rivers ......good coach......

But dude ....Austin is not NBA material........a lot of said he should have stayed at Duke and got his education ......

That's what he should do ....take advantage of being rich, use Docs millions  , go back to school and get a job....like the rest of us,

Austin ............ has his own ............................. millions........... He doesn't......... need ........Doc's,

[guava_wrench]

If Doc had any brains, he'd want Jameer Nelson from us instead of his own kid.  He'd be an upgrade over Farmar, and a little less than $300k more than Austin.

Nah. Nelson would be a commitment for another year and wouldn't play. With Austin Rivers, he probably only sees the floor in garbage time, but they get a few months to evaluate him as a young guy they can develop for the future.

They are looking for an end of the bench young guard to develop, not for an end of the road PG.