Ainge and the possibility of trading Rondo

[pearljammer10]

Danny has said repeatedly that he won't trade Rondo.

No, he hasn't.

Ainge insisted. "I have no intention. I'm not trying to trade Rondo, but because he's a free agent this summer, he assured me that he wants to stay in Boston. We'd love to keep him in Boston."

"The possibility of a trade is not out of the question," Ainge said. "Nobody is untradeable, but I don't see that happening."

[kozlodoev]

Danny has said repeatedly that he won't trade Rondo.

No, he hasn't.

Ainge insisted. "I have no intention. I'm not trying to trade Rondo, but because he's a free agent this summer, he assured me that he wants to stay in Boston. We'd love to keep him in Boston."

"The possibility of a trade is not out of the question," Ainge said. "Nobody is untradeable, but I don't see that happening."

There is a subtle, yet critical difference between "won't trade" and "not trying to trade".

[jpotter33]

Danny has said repeatedly that he won't trade Rondo.

No, he hasn't.

Ainge insisted. "I have no intention. I'm not trying to trade Rondo, but because he's a free agent this summer, he assured me that he wants to stay in Boston. We'd love to keep him in Boston."

"The possibility of a trade is not out of the question," Ainge said. "Nobody is untradeable, but I don't see that happening."

There is a subtle, yet critical difference between "won't trade" and "not trying to trade".

I agree. I don't think he's ever outright explicitly said he will never trade Rondo. He's always been like, "Well, you know, I don't WANT to trade to him, but you never know." Ainge is good about keeping his options open and saying exactly what he means, because he's a realist and understands that context matters and circumstances could arise that lead to a Rondo trade.

[Tr1boy]

Danny has said repeatedly that he won't trade Rondo.

No, he hasn't.

Ainge insisted. "I have no intention. I'm not trying to trade Rondo, but because he's a free agent this summer, he assured me that he wants to stay in Boston. We'd love to keep him in Boston."

"The possibility of a trade is not out of the question," Ainge said. "Nobody is untradeable, but I don't see that happening."

There is a subtle, yet critical difference between "won't trade" and "not trying to trade".

"He assured me that he wants to stay in Boston" is as close to saying I'm not trading him , i hope he stays,  he has the edge. 

But what i wanted to know bc i don't remember was, was Ainge acting like this with KG and Pierce?

[ssspence]

"He assured me that he wants to stay in Boston" is as close to saying I'm not trading him

huh?

[Tr1boy]

"He assured me that he wants to stay in Boston" is as close to saying I'm not trading him

huh?

why would you trade a guy after saying "he assured me that he wants to stay"??

It's like you going into a coffee shop , getting thrown out by the owner and the owner saying "I thought you wanted to stay?"

Unless he is messing with your head

[PickNRoll]

An "untradeable player" isn't even in Ainge's vocabulary, unless they have a no-trade clause.  The only way that can happen is if you have Lebron James because that is the only condition where a trade cannot improve your team.  "Anything can happen at any time" has always been Ainge's mantra.

[PickNRoll]

It's not Ainge's job to see the future. He has to decide now what contract he will offer Rondo in the offseason (assuming he doesn't get hit by a bus or something) and if he thinks Rondo will accept. If not, he should try to trade him for a legitimate asset.

Personally I would offer rondo 60-65 million over 4 years. I don't think Rondo would accept, but it doesn't look like his trade market exists right now. So he'll probably go to free agency and I would make him my offer.

A little bit off topic now, but who here would rather have Isaiah Thomas at 4 yrs/27M than Rondo at 4/65M?  (raises hand)

[Beat LA]

"He assured me that he wants to stay in Boston" is as close to saying I'm not trading him

huh?

why would you trade a guy after saying "he assured me that he wants to stay"??

It's like you going into a coffee shop , getting thrown out by the owner and the owner saying "I thought you wanted to stay?"

Unless he is messing with your head

Um, because this is Danny Ainge we're talking about, here.

[Beat LA]

An "untradeable player" isn't even in Ainge's vocabulary, unless they have a no-trade clause.  The only way that can happen is if you have Lebron James because that is the only condition where a trade cannot improve your team.  "Anything can happen at any time" has always been Ainge's mantra.

Yeah, because he constantly shops his players.  Danny's approach to building and shaping a roster is eerily similar to the views of stuart varney and all of those other tools at fox news as to not raising the minimum wage, imo - he doesn't give a crap about people at all, and it sickens me.

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

It's not Ainge's job to see the future. He has to decide now what contract he will offer Rondo in the offseason (assuming he doesn't get hit by a bus or something) and if he thinks Rondo will accept. If not, he should try to trade him for a legitimate asset.

Personally I would offer rondo 60-65 million over 4 years. I don't think Rondo would accept, but it doesn't look like his trade market exists right now. So he'll probably go to free agency and I would make him my offer.

A little bit off topic now, but who here would rather have Isaiah Thomas at 4 yrs/27M than Rondo at 4/65M?  (raises hand)

Also apologize for going off topic

Not to sound like a hater but I don see any team winning a chip with I.T. has their starting point Guard. YES I seen the video about his efficiency compared to Kyrie's and how he outplays him (so to speak)...  Only thing is IT never played against a team where he was a main focal point of another teams defense.

I also believe at his size, any zone will mask his defensive deficiencies at the same time make his front court seem as their defense isn't as good as it really is because their going to be playing a ton of help D. He's best as a 6th man IMO. Put him against Shaun Livingston (6ft.6"). No way that man guards him and Shawn's a 2nd unit player himself

[slamtheking]

If Danny adds two all-star level players around Rondo like in this hypothetical, it's hard for me to see him getting fired, even if things don't work out.

Agreed although the coach probably wouldn't survive.

I'd be surprised if that were the case.  Spoelstra and Riley weren't fired and didn't win it 2 of the 4 years Bron was in Miami despite the players initially bragging about winning "not 1, not 2, not 3, ..."  titles.

That team made the NBA Finals all four years.  That's still extremely successful even despite the delusional thoughts of Lebron.

I was thinking along the lines of a team with 3 all-stars that can't make it out of the second round.

Like the Arenas/Butler/Jamison team? Something like that?

Sure.

I think if you have a 3 all-star team in Boston, with the pressure & history of the franchise, if you under-performed like that (2nd round exits are underperforming) for a season or two, the coach is going to take the fall.

If the New Three Celtics had lost that first round series to ATL or even lost the CLE series and then followed it up with another first/second round exit in '09, there is no doubt Doc would've been on the hot seat if not fired.

we'll have to see how things play out in Cleveland with Bron/Love/Kyrie and in Miami with Bosh/Wade/Deng.

3-star approach hasn't worked too well since combining Dwill, JJ and Lopez (pre and post Celtics trade).  not quite a new coach every year and Kidd wasn't fired even though he left.

arguably Cleveland talent is equivalent to what Bron had in Miami so if they underperform in the playoffs (fingers crossed) does that automatically mean the coach must be fired?

[ssspence]

"He assured me that he wants to stay in Boston" is as close to saying I'm not trading him

huh?

why would you trade a guy after saying "he assured me that he wants to stay"??

It's like you going into a coffee shop , getting thrown out by the owner and the owner saying "I thought you wanted to stay?"

Unless he is messing with your head

What does Rondo's supposed desire to stay have to do with what he wants to receive to stay? Or whether the Celtics actually truly care to have him around long-term?

Because Rondo told Ainge he'd like to be here, the Cs won't trade him? Players never get dealt when they don't care to move?

Ainge blows smoke all the time. He has to: he's an NBA GM.

[mmmmm]

An "untradeable player" isn't even in Ainge's vocabulary, unless they have a no-trade clause.  The only way that can happen is if you have Lebron James because that is the only condition where a trade cannot improve your team.  "Anything can happen at any time" has always been Ainge's mantra.

Exactly.  Even having a "No Trade" clause doesn't mean Danny won't trade you eventually (KG).

Danny is a Grand Master of Equivocation.

[PickNRoll]

It's not Ainge's job to see the future. He has to decide now what contract he will offer Rondo in the offseason (assuming he doesn't get hit by a bus or something) and if he thinks Rondo will accept. If not, he should try to trade him for a legitimate asset.

Personally I would offer rondo 60-65 million over 4 years. I don't think Rondo would accept, but it doesn't look like his trade market exists right now. So he'll probably go to free agency and I would make him my offer.

A little bit off topic now, but who here would rather have Isaiah Thomas at 4 yrs/27M than Rondo at 4/65M?  (raises hand)

Also apologize for going off topic

Not to sound like a hater but I don see any team winning a chip with I.T. has their starting point Guard. YES I seen the video about his efficiency compared to Kyrie's and how he outplays him (so to speak)...  Only thing is IT never played against a team where he was a main focal point of another teams defense.

I also believe at his size, any zone will mask his defensive deficiencies at the same time make his front court seem as their defense isn't as good as it really is because their going to be playing a ton of help D. He's best as a 6th man IMO. Put him against Shaun Livingston (6ft.6"). No way that man guards him and Shawn's a 2nd unit player himself

Isaiah has limits, no doubt.  My question was about money and balance.  Would you rather have IT and a $10M salary slot, or Rondo.