Ainge and the possibility of trading Rondo

[Tr1boy]

Danny has said repeatedly that he won't trade Rondo.  Before he traded KG and Pierce, was he saying the same thing, that he would not trade them either?

If Danny signs Rondo long term, adds 2 All star like players next, but the team underperforms (Rondo continues to struggle late in games, back to backs) , is his job on the line?

[D.o.s.]

Doubtful. You can be astonishingly bad as a GM and still keep your job for a while if you have a good track record (see: Colangelo, Bryan, in Toronto)

[colincb]

Boston's front office is rated highly among the league and Danny heads the FO. Lots of talent developed here has landed elsewhere. Most of his trade/cap moves make sense.

Don't think Danny has anything to worry about outside of Celticsblog.

[dreamgreen]

He has to say he's not trading Rondo it keeps his value higher, as son as you say you are trading him every low ball offer you can imagine will come up.

[Roy H.]

If Danny adds two all-star level players around Rondo like in this hypothetical, it's hard for me to see him getting fired, even if things don't work out. 

[littleteapot]

It's not Ainge's job to see the future. He has to decide now what contract he will offer Rondo in the offseason (assuming he doesn't get hit by a bus or something) and if he thinks Rondo will accept. If not, he should try to trade him for a legitimate asset.

Personally I would offer rondo 60-65 million over 4 years. I don't think Rondo would accept, but it doesn't look like his trade market exists right now. So he'll probably go to free agency and I would make him my offer. I can't control it if he leaves for more money and is worth it, or if he accepts and is not worth it.

In hindsight, we should have got the Sacramento deal done last year. We won't be able to get that return anymore. But Ainge isn't a prophet - he just has to make predictions and live with what happens.

[Vermont Green]

Danny has said repeatedly that he won't trade Rondo.  Before he traded KG and Pierce, was he saying the same thing, that he would not trade them either?

If Danny signs Rondo long term, adds 2 All star like players next, but the team underperforms (Rondo continues to struggle late in games, back to backs) , is his job on the line?

Not sure exactly what "all star like" means (is that Rudy Gay or something better) but any team that has 3 all star like players (assuming Rondo is considered all star like) would seem like the GM did his job and it would be more on the coach if they under-perform.

If what you are getting at is if DA puts good players around Rondo but Rondo holds back the team from being good, should DA be criticized for signing Rondo.  Sure, Rondo or any player, if you commit $$ and years to a player that is expected to be good but then isn't, the GM has to be held accountable.

[Celtics4ever]

Once teams know you want to trade a guy, it lowers their value.  Best for them to come to you, better offer most of the time.   That is simple business, if they know you want it, the price will be higher.

[Donoghus]

If Danny adds two all-star level players around Rondo like in this hypothetical, it's hard for me to see him getting fired, even if things don't work out.

Agreed although the coach probably wouldn't survive.

[manl_lui]

If Danny adds two all-star level players around Rondo like in this hypothetical, it's hard for me to see him getting fired, even if things don't work out.

I agree, kind of reminds me of Doc when the first year the big 3 assembled.

If we win, fine, that's kind of expected
but if they lose, it's on the coach and the big 3

That being said

depends how bad they underperform. I say it's fair, if they make playoffs and to the conference finals or semi finals

If the team meltsdown like NY did, it's all on the coaching staff and the all star players.

[slamtheking]

If Danny adds two all-star level players around Rondo like in this hypothetical, it's hard for me to see him getting fired, even if things don't work out.

Agreed although the coach probably wouldn't survive.

I'd be surprised if that were the case.  Spoelstra and Riley weren't fired and didn't win it 2 of the 4 years Bron was in Miami despite the players initially bragging about winning "not 1, not 2, not 3, ..."  titles.

[Donoghus]

If Danny adds two all-star level players around Rondo like in this hypothetical, it's hard for me to see him getting fired, even if things don't work out.

Agreed although the coach probably wouldn't survive.

I'd be surprised if that were the case.  Spoelstra and Riley weren't fired and didn't win it 2 of the 4 years Bron was in Miami despite the players initially bragging about winning "not 1, not 2, not 3, ..."  titles.

That team made the NBA Finals all four years.  That's still extremely successful even despite the delusional thoughts of Lebron.

I was thinking along the lines of a team with 3 all-stars that can't make it out of the second round.

[Fafnir]

If Danny adds two all-star level players around Rondo like in this hypothetical, it's hard for me to see him getting fired, even if things don't work out.

Agreed although the coach probably wouldn't survive.

I'd be surprised if that were the case.  Spoelstra and Riley weren't fired and didn't win it 2 of the 4 years Bron was in Miami despite the players initially bragging about winning "not 1, not 2, not 3, ..."  titles.

That team made the NBA Finals all four years.  That's still extremely successful even despite the delusional thoughts of Lebron.

I was thinking along the lines of a team with 3 all-stars that can't make it out of the second round.

Like the Arenas/Butler/Jamison team? Something like that?

[Donoghus]

If Danny adds two all-star level players around Rondo like in this hypothetical, it's hard for me to see him getting fired, even if things don't work out.

Agreed although the coach probably wouldn't survive.

I'd be surprised if that were the case.  Spoelstra and Riley weren't fired and didn't win it 2 of the 4 years Bron was in Miami despite the players initially bragging about winning "not 1, not 2, not 3, ..."  titles.

That team made the NBA Finals all four years.  That's still extremely successful even despite the delusional thoughts of Lebron.

I was thinking along the lines of a team with 3 all-stars that can't make it out of the second round.

Like the Arenas/Butler/Jamison team? Something like that?

Sure.

I think if you have a 3 all-star team in Boston, with the pressure & history of the franchise, if you under-performed like that (2nd round exits are underperforming) for a season or two, the coach is going to take the fall.

If the New Three Celtics had lost that first round series to ATL or even lost the CLE series and then followed it up with another first/second round exit in '09, there is no doubt Doc would've been on the hot seat if not fired.

[kozlodoev]

Danny has said repeatedly that he won't trade Rondo.

No, he hasn't.