Ainge and the possibility of trading Rondo

[mmmmm]

An "untradeable player" isn't even in Ainge's vocabulary, unless they have a no-trade clause.  The only way that can happen is if you have Lebron James because that is the only condition where a trade cannot improve your team.  "Anything can happen at any time" has always been Ainge's mantra.

Yeah, because he constantly shops his players.  Danny's approach to building and shaping a roster is eerily similar to the views of stuart varney and all of those other tools at fox news as to not raising the minimum wage, imo - he doesn't give a crap about people at all, and it sickens me.

That seems a bit hyperbolic.

Just because he is open to the possibility of trading anyone doesn't mean he "doesn't give a crap about people at all".

Other than maybe JJJ, I'm not sure he has actually traded a player into a "worse situation" than if they had stayed.   Crawford and Brooks had no future here.  Hump was done here but ended up in a great situation in DC.   Pierce and KG were in theory going to a contender.  Perk ended up on a very good team that wanted him, was physically much closer to his home in Texas and was likely to sign him as a FA that coming summer anyway.  Courtney Lee ended up in a better situation for his particular talents.  And so on, and so on.

Being traded is part of the business that players sign up for in order to make millions.

[SHAQATTACK]

Danny el no trade -O"...our mega star guard

You'll might as well give up on dat idea.

[BballTim]

It's not Ainge's job to see the future. He has to decide now what contract he will offer Rondo in the offseason (assuming he doesn't get hit by a bus or something) and if he thinks Rondo will accept. If not, he should try to trade him for a legitimate asset.

Personally I would offer rondo 60-65 million over 4 years. I don't think Rondo would accept, but it doesn't look like his trade market exists right now. So he'll probably go to free agency and I would make him my offer.

A little bit off topic now, but who here would rather have Isaiah Thomas at 4 yrs/27M than Rondo at 4/65M?  (raises hand)

  I'd say it's likely that neither the Kings or the Celts agree with you.

[PickNRoll]

It's not Ainge's job to see the future. He has to decide now what contract he will offer Rondo in the offseason (assuming he doesn't get hit by a bus or something) and if he thinks Rondo will accept. If not, he should try to trade him for a legitimate asset.

Personally I would offer rondo 60-65 million over 4 years. I don't think Rondo would accept, but it doesn't look like his trade market exists right now. So he'll probably go to free agency and I would make him my offer.

A little bit off topic now, but who here would rather have Isaiah Thomas at 4 yrs/27M than Rondo at 4/65M?  (raises hand)

  I'd say it's likely that neither the Kings or the Celts agree with you.

You think the kings would prefer a $16M Rondo and drop $20M in luxury tax?

[Beat LA]

An "untradeable player" isn't even in Ainge's vocabulary, unless they have a no-trade clause.  The only way that can happen is if you have Lebron James because that is the only condition where a trade cannot improve your team.  "Anything can happen at any time" has always been Ainge's mantra.

Yeah, because he constantly shops his players.  Danny's approach to building and shaping a roster is eerily similar to the views of stuart varney and all of those other tools at fox news as to not raising the minimum wage, imo - he doesn't give a crap about people at all, and it sickens me.

That seems a bit hyperbolic.

Just because he is open to the possibility of trading anyone doesn't mean he "doesn't give a crap about people at all".

Other than maybe JJJ, I'm not sure he has actually traded a player into a "worse situation" than if they had stayed.   Crawford and Brooks had no future here.  Hump was done here but ended up in a great situation in DC.   Pierce and KG were in theory going to a contender.  Perk ended up on a very good team that wanted him, was physically much closer to his home in Texas and was likely to sign him as a FA that coming summer anyway.  Courtney Lee ended up in a better situation for his particular talents.  And so on, and so on.

Being traded is part of the business that players sign up for in order to make millions.

While I know that's true, I still don't like his methods.  It just always seems like he treats these guys like pawns, and it especially bothers me when it comes to hall of famers.  They should NEVER even be discussed as part of any transaction, imo.  How many times do you have to almost be traded before you say, "enough.  This is ridiculous.  I'm done here."  He's been talking about trading Rondo for 5 YEARS, now, and he will, mark my words, but only for a terrible contract and a steaming pile of dog poo in return.  Ugh.

[oldtype]

At this point I would give away everyone on the Celtics roster for nothing except for Smart.

Was at the Garden today. So depressing.

[Rondo9]

At this point I would give away everyone on the Celtics roster for nothing except for Smart.

Was at the Garden today. So depressing.

As bad as this loss was, I'm hopeful they'll bounce back.

[flybono]

Danny has said repeatedly that he won't trade Rondo.  Before he traded KG and Pierce, was he saying the same thing, that he would not trade them either?

If Danny signs Rondo long term, adds 2 All star like players next, but the team underperforms (Rondo continues to struggle late in games, back to backs) , is his job on the line?

What 2 All Stars u going get? Name a few of them? 
Celtics do not have any assets to trade for Top talent. They have a few role players to help contending teams and contending teams are not going to deal u talent. Its going to be Picks and or expiring contracts and maybe a fringe player..

No big time Free Agent is coming here.

Ainge brought in a Young College Coach to develop young talent. They gave him a 6 year deal, do you think Ownership is going to fire this coach after 2 years. He's he to develop young talent. That is why at some point Rondo Green Bass all go..

Its a rebuild my man, not a retool...

[BballTim]

It's not Ainge's job to see the future. He has to decide now what contract he will offer Rondo in the offseason (assuming he doesn't get hit by a bus or something) and if he thinks Rondo will accept. If not, he should try to trade him for a legitimate asset.

Personally I would offer rondo 60-65 million over 4 years. I don't think Rondo would accept, but it doesn't look like his trade market exists right now. So he'll probably go to free agency and I would make him my offer.

A little bit off topic now, but who here would rather have Isaiah Thomas at 4 yrs/27M than Rondo at 4/65M?  (raises hand)

  I'd say it's likely that neither the Kings or the Celts agree with you.

You think the kings would prefer a $16M Rondo and drop $20M in luxury tax?

  I would assume the reason they wanted to trade for him was to pay him to be on the team going forward.

[mmmmm]

An "untradeable player" isn't even in Ainge's vocabulary, unless they have a no-trade clause.  The only way that can happen is if you have Lebron James because that is the only condition where a trade cannot improve your team.  "Anything can happen at any time" has always been Ainge's mantra.

Yeah, because he constantly shops his players.  Danny's approach to building and shaping a roster is eerily similar to the views of stuart varney and all of those other tools at fox news as to not raising the minimum wage, imo - he doesn't give a crap about people at all, and it sickens me.

That seems a bit hyperbolic.

Just because he is open to the possibility of trading anyone doesn't mean he "doesn't give a crap about people at all".

Other than maybe JJJ, I'm not sure he has actually traded a player into a "worse situation" than if they had stayed.   Crawford and Brooks had no future here.  Hump was done here but ended up in a great situation in DC.   Pierce and KG were in theory going to a contender.  Perk ended up on a very good team that wanted him, was physically much closer to his home in Texas and was likely to sign him as a FA that coming summer anyway.  Courtney Lee ended up in a better situation for his particular talents.  And so on, and so on.

Being traded is part of the business that players sign up for in order to make millions.

While I know that's true, I still don't like his methods.  It just always seems like he treats these guys like pawns, and it especially bothers me when it comes to hall of famers.  They should NEVER even be discussed as part of any transaction, imo.  How many times do you have to almost be traded before you say, "enough.  This is ridiculous.  I'm done here."  He's been talking about trading Rondo for 5 YEARS, now, and he will, mark my words, but only for a terrible contract and a steaming pile of dog poo in return.  Ugh.

He has?

I see lots of fans and media speculating and rumor-mongering, but I don't really see any compelling evidence that Danny has done much of this actual "talking about trading Rondo" other than the predictable noncommittal equivocations in response to reporter's questions.

Your personal idea that top star players, "should NEVER even be discussed as part of any transaction, imo." is fine for you as a fan.  But that would be a terrible and stupid handicap for a general manager to operate under.

[TheFlex]

An "untradeable player" isn't even in Ainge's vocabulary, unless they have a no-trade clause.  The only way that can happen is if you have Lebron James because that is the only condition where a trade cannot improve your team.  "Anything can happen at any time" has always been Ainge's mantra.

Yeah, because he constantly shops his players.  Danny's approach to building and shaping a roster is eerily similar to the views of stuart varney and all of those other tools at fox news as to not raising the minimum wage, imo - he doesn't give a crap about people at all, and it sickens me.

That seems a bit hyperbolic.

Just because he is open to the possibility of trading anyone doesn't mean he "doesn't give a crap about people at all".

Other than maybe JJJ, I'm not sure he has actually traded a player into a "worse situation" than if they had stayed.   Crawford and Brooks had no future here.  Hump was done here but ended up in a great situation in DC.   Pierce and KG were in theory going to a contender.  Perk ended up on a very good team that wanted him, was physically much closer to his home in Texas and was likely to sign him as a FA that coming summer anyway.  Courtney Lee ended up in a better situation for his particular talents.  And so on, and so on.

Being traded is part of the business that players sign up for in order to make millions.

While I know that's true, I still don't like his methods.  It just always seems like he treats these guys like pawns, and it especially bothers me when it comes to hall of famers.  They should NEVER even be discussed as part of any transaction, imo.  How many times do you have to almost be traded before you say, "enough.  This is ridiculous.  I'm done here."  He's been talking about trading Rondo for 5 YEARS, now, and he will, mark my words, but only for a terrible contract and a steaming pile of dog poo in return.  Ugh.

He has?

I see lots of fans and media speculating and rumor-mongering, but I don't really see any compelling evidence that Danny has done much of this actual "talking about trading Rondo" other than the predictable noncommittal equivocations in response to reporter's questions.

Your personal idea that top star players, "should NEVER even be discussed as part of any transaction, imo." is fine for you as a fan.  But that would be a terrible and stupid handicap for a general manager to operate under.

TP, agreed.

BeatLA, I respect your opinion greatly but your continued insistence that the Pierce/KG deal was a mistake demonstrates that you are judging the deal as a nostalgic fan rather than as a practical analyst. Literally everyone I've asked about that deal says the Cs came out on top by a mile.

For all of the gossip, I don't think Ainge trades his players any more than other GMs trade their players. When tremendous value falls into his lap, he strikes. While you may be disappointed that Pierce and KG had to go, the value of four first rounders -- three of which have lotto potential -- and other tradeable assets is undeniable.