C's reportedly been trying like crazy to trade Bass

[Chris22]

Ainge needs to stop overpaying for players like Bass and Bradley.

I don't think you understand the market real well right now.  Take a look around at the contracts that have been handed out in this league.

If the rest of the league jumped off a bridge, would you?

That is an irrelevant metaphor. Ainge's slight overpaying of these players prevents other teams from offering enormous contracts that he won't match. Ainge is almost getting bargain deals compared to deals like Parsons' and Hayward's.

Parson and Hayward are not undersized.
Bass and Bradley are.

[BballTim]

Ainge needs to stop overpaying for players like Bass and Bradley.

I don't think you understand the market real well right now.  Take a look around at the contracts that have been handed out in this league.

If the rest of the league jumped off a bridge, would you?

That is an irrelevant metaphor. Ainge's slight overpaying of these players prevents other teams from offering enormous contracts that he won't match. Ainge is almost getting bargain deals compared to deals like Parsons' and Hayward's.

Parson and Hayward are not undersized.
Bass and Bradley are.

  Which explains the relative bargain on Bradley's contract compared to those guys.

[D.o.s.]

Right -- its borderline useless to look at a player's contract in a vacuum and say "he isn't worth that much money."

[Irish Stew]

Philly. They traded away Young, and Bennett might be better at the 3. They have cap room, in fact, I think they're still below the salary floor. Trading Bass away for no return players would create a trade exception. That's good enough for me.

Philly does not want to get short term better. They want to tank again and continue to draft elite talent until they can fully assemble their duo of Noel and Embiid. The only way that they would take Bass is with a 1st round pick and that wouldn't make sense for us as Bass is an expiring contract. You might get a team with a bad contract of a similar annual amount but that is for 2 or 3 years to give us a 1st round pick to take Bass for that bad contract but I would have to go through every NBA roster to try and find that situation.

[Eddie20]

Philly. They traded away Young, and Bennett might be better at the 3. They have cap room, in fact, I think they're still below the salary floor. Trading Bass away for no return players would create a trade exception. That's good enough for me.

Philly does not want to get short term better. They want to tank again and continue to draft elite talent until they can fully assemble their duo of Noel and Embiid. The only way that they would take Bass is with a 1st round pick and that wouldn't make sense for us as Bass is an expiring contract. You might get a team with a bad contract of a similar annual amount but that is for 2 or 3 years to give us a 1st round pick to take Bass for that bad contract but I would have to go through every NBA roster to try and find that situation.

Bass doesn't move the needle much, if at all. However, he could eat up minutes, gives them a vet on the frontline, and gets them closer to being above the salary floor.

[Evantime34]

At this point I doubt we move him. He is a good locker room guy and can help the youngsters.

[GreenWarrior]

At this point I doubt we move him. He is a good locker room guy and can help the youngsters.

...as long as he starts.

[Chris22]

Ainge needs to stop overpaying for players like Bass and Bradley.

I don't think you understand the market real well right now.  Take a look around at the contracts that have been handed out in this league.

If the rest of the league jumped off a bridge, would you?

That is an irrelevant metaphor. Ainge's slight overpaying of these players prevents other teams from offering enormous contracts that he won't match. Ainge is almost getting bargain deals compared to deals like Parsons' and Hayward's.

Parson and Hayward are not undersized.
Bass and Bradley are.

  Which explains the relative bargain on Bradley's contract compared to those guys.

Bradley's contract is a complete waste of money. He isn't very good, and he is always injured.
Bass was overpaid because at the time we had an outside chance to compete for a championship.

[bhbf08]

Ainge needs to stop overpaying for players like Bass and Bradley.

I don't think you understand the market real well right now.  Take a look around at the contracts that have been handed out in this league.

If the rest of the league jumped off a bridge, would you?

That is an irrelevant metaphor. Ainge's slight overpaying of these players prevents other teams from offering enormous contracts that he won't match. Ainge is almost getting bargain deals compared to deals like Parsons' and Hayward's.

Parson and Hayward are not undersized.
Bass and Bradley are.

  Which explains the relative bargain on Bradley's contract compared to those guys.

Bradley's contract is a complete waste of money. He isn't very good, and he is always injured.
Bass was overpaid because at the time we had an outside chance to compete for a championship.

I had to stop at " isn't very good"    Really?  You can have an opinion that he's overpaid, that's fine, but to say he isn't very good?  He's a very good, young, and improving player.  He's improved each and every year, plays his butt off, plays crazy defense, and has gotten better on offense each year.  He's on the verge of being a young star ... but he "isn't very good".  I'm going to go on a limb here and say your player scouting/judgement "isn't very good". 

[Jailan34]

Ainge needs to stop overpaying for players like Bass and Bradley.

I don't think you understand the market real well right now.  Take a look around at the contracts that have been handed out in this league.

If the rest of the league jumped off a bridge, would you?

That is an irrelevant metaphor. Ainge's slight overpaying of these players prevents other teams from offering enormous contracts that he won't match. Ainge is almost getting bargain deals compared to deals like Parsons' and Hayward's.

Parson and Hayward are not undersized.
Bass and Bradley are.

  Which explains the relative bargain on Bradley's contract compared to those guys.

Bradley's contract is a complete waste of money. He isn't very good, and he is always injured.
Bass was overpaid because at the time we had an outside chance to compete for a championship.

I had to stop at " isn't very good"    Really?  You can have an opinion that he's overpaid, that's fine, but to say he isn't very good?  He's a very good, young, and improving player.  He's improved each and every year, plays his butt off, plays crazy defense, and has gotten better on offense each year.  He's on the verge of being a young star ... but he "isn't very good".  I'm going to go on a limb here and say your player scouting/judgement "isn't very good". 

Really though when we get into these subjective labels like "isnt very good" or as you say "very good" there is a lot of room for interpretation. To me very good means someone like Kobe, Harden, Dwight or love. Basically all those players that aren't KD or LeBron.  When you say "very good" it sounds to be like you mean hes a nice stater, and as you can see these kind of labels get confusing quickly and two people talking to one another on this forum end up having two completely different conversations based on what they perceive to be "good".

Which is why I'd like to stick to facts such as

1. Bradley is young and has improved his shooting, showing he works hard on his game in the off-season
2. Bradley had a defensive rating of 109 last season, and his defense has slipped each year, at least according to defensive rating which isn't a perfect stat.
3. Bradley is undersized and injury prone, he has never played a full season but came close in 2011-2012 only missing two games.

Which I think is why when discussing a players value or how productive they are or "good" we should discuss facts about the player, not if they fit one persons definition of "good".

[gpap]

Ainge needs to stop overpaying for players like Bass and Bradley.

I don't think you understand the market real well right now.  Take a look around at the contracts that have been handed out in this league.

If the rest of the league jumped off a bridge, would you?

That is an irrelevant metaphor. Ainge's slight overpaying of these players prevents other teams from offering enormous contracts that he won't match. Ainge is almost getting bargain deals compared to deals like Parsons' and Hayward's.

Parson and Hayward are not undersized.
Bass and Bradley are.

  Which explains the relative bargain on Bradley's contract compared to those guys.

Bradley's contract is a complete waste of money. He isn't very good, and he is always injured.
Bass was overpaid because at the time we had an outside chance to compete for a championship.

Agree with you there.

I have no clue what Ainge sees in Bradley and for all this talk of maintaining "flexibility", how does someone explain that awful deal that Bradley got?

Bad move by Ainge.

Unless he sees Bradley's salary as a big part of a future trade in the next year for an all star but the question then becomes, who's going to want to take on that contract?

[LooseCannon]

I have no clue what Ainge sees in Bradley and for all this talk of maintaining "flexibility", how does someone explain that awful deal that Bradley got?

I suspect Ainge's use of proprietary advanced metrics projects Bradley as a young player who has good chance of improving beyond the value of his contract.  I personally give Bradley a non-zero chance of improving his offense to the point that he is seen as a borderline All-Star candidate.

[Chris22]

Ainge needs to stop overpaying for players like Bass and Bradley.

I don't think you understand the market real well right now.  Take a look around at the contracts that have been handed out in this league.

If the rest of the league jumped off a bridge, would you?

That is an irrelevant metaphor. Ainge's slight overpaying of these players prevents other teams from offering enormous contracts that he won't match. Ainge is almost getting bargain deals compared to deals like Parsons' and Hayward's.

Parson and Hayward are not undersized.
Bass and Bradley are.

  Which explains the relative bargain on Bradley's contract compared to those guys.

Bradley's contract is a complete waste of money. He isn't very good, and he is always injured.
Bass was overpaid because at the time we had an outside chance to compete for a championship.

Agree with you there.

I have no clue what Ainge sees in Bradley and for all this talk of maintaining "flexibility", how does someone explain that awful deal that Bradley got?

Bad move by Ainge.

Unless he sees Bradley's salary as a big part of a future trade in the next year for an all star but the question then becomes, who's going to want to take on that contract?

Tommy point for being the only one who gets it.
Bradley is too small to defend the two, and he can't dribble well enough to play point guard.
OJ Mayo ate him alive for Gods sake.
James Young will take his place in the starting lineup.

[dysgenic]

Bradley's contract is a complete waste of money. He isn't very good, and he is always injured.
Bass was overpaid because at the time we had an outside chance to compete for a championship.

I had to stop at " isn't very good"    Really?  You can have an opinion that he's overpaid, that's fine, but to say he isn't very good?  He's a very good, young, and improving player.  He's improved each and every year, plays his butt off, plays crazy defense, and has gotten better on offense each year.  He's on the verge of being a young star ... but he "isn't very good".  I'm going to go on a limb here and say your player scouting/judgement "isn't very good".

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Exactly.  I will never understand the lack of love that Avery Bradley gets on this forum.  A young, tough kid, not afraid of the big moment, that is getting better.  Let's ship him out of town because he is 3 inches too short.

[Chris22]

Bradley's contract is a complete waste of money. He isn't very good, and he is always injured.
Bass was overpaid because at the time we had an outside chance to compete for a championship.

I had to stop at " isn't very good"    Really?  You can have an opinion that he's overpaid, that's fine, but to say he isn't very good?  He's a very good, young, and improving player.  He's improved each and every year, plays his butt off, plays crazy defense, and has gotten better on offense each year.  He's on the verge of being a young star ... but he "isn't very good".  I'm going to go on a limb here and say your player scouting/judgement "isn't very good".

Exactly.  I will never understand the lack of love that Avery Bradley gets on this forum.  A young, tough kid, not afraid of the big moment, that is getting better.  Let's ship him out of town because he is 3 inches too short.
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Bradley's PER is 12.80 which would rank him 39th among the shooting guards in the league.
He's not very good.