Source: C's and Wiz working on sign and trade involving Kris Humphries

[kozlodoev]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  1m
Washington, Boston have completed sign-and-trade for Kris Humphries, source says. Boston gets a trade exception and protected 2nd round pick

Protected.  Hopefully no more than Top 40 protected, since they should make the playoffs easily.

The standard for these has been top-55 protected, obligation gets extinguished if pick is not conferred. So don't keep your hopes up

[RRNoLookPass]

Trade for Pierce. (Don't wake me up from this dream.)

Haha, TP.  Throw in Jeff Green, too   I'm just thrilled that 'Hump' won't be taking minutes from our young guys next season.

And why would we wanna use Jeff Green as a throw-in on any trade? He's our only starting caliber SF, and on the Free Agent market he would probably make even more than the $9mill per yr the Celts are paying him, with the inflated contracts many teams are handing out this yr.

[Lucky17]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  1m
Washington, Boston have completed sign-and-trade for Kris Humphries, source says. Boston gets a trade exception and protected 2nd round pick

Protected.  Hopefully no more than Top 40 protected, since they should make the playoffs easily.

The standard for these has been top-55 protected, obligation gets extinguished if pick is not conferred. So don't keep your hopes up

Yeah.

Still, those top-55 protected picks can come in handy at times, especially when you have to give up something in a deal. Ainge used one to acquire Zeller.

[colincb]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  1m
Washington, Boston have completed sign-and-trade for Kris Humphries, source says. Boston gets a trade exception and protected 2nd round pick

Protected.  Hopefully no more than Top 40 protected, since they should make the playoffs easily.

My guess is top 55 protected. Not sure why those get thrown into deals, but we just gave one to the Cavs and we have at least two coming.

For CBA experts: Is there some provision buried in the CBA that provides that there cannot be a straight TPE-player exchange?

[saltlover]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  1m
Washington, Boston have completed sign-and-trade for Kris Humphries, source says. Boston gets a trade exception and protected 2nd round pick

Protected.  Hopefully no more than Top 40 protected, since they should make the playoffs easily.

My guess is top 55 protected. Not sure why those get thrown into deals, but we just gave one to the Cavs and we have at least two coming.

For CBA experts: Is there some provision buried in the CBA that provides that there cannot be a straight TPE-player exchange?

Yes, you can't trade something for nothing.  A TPE is not considered a something.  They actually updated the rules on this last week.

http://www.shamsports.com/2014/07/consideration-in-trades-and-trade.html

I would be surprised if it were Top-55.  Normally those are thrown around when you're dumping salary (that's how we got ours from SAC, when we dumped a player or two and they were below the salary floor).  Sign-and-trades for somewhat valuable players tend to bring back something somewhat worthwhile.

[HomerSapien]

My guess is top 55 protected. Not sure why those get thrown into deals, but we just gave one to the Cavs and we have at least two coming.

For CBA experts: Is there some provision buried in the CBA that provides that there cannot be a straight TPE-player exchange?

Top 55 pick is the minimum for a draft pick to count as "consideration" in a trade.  I believe the other alternatives are $75,000+ in cash, or a player.

[Lucky17]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  1m
Washington, Boston have completed sign-and-trade for Kris Humphries, source says. Boston gets a trade exception and protected 2nd round pick

Protected.  Hopefully no more than Top 40 protected, since they should make the playoffs easily.

My guess is top 55 protected. Not sure why those get thrown into deals, but we just gave one to the Cavs and we have at least two coming.

For CBA experts: Is there some provision buried in the CBA that provides that there cannot be a straight TPE-player exchange?

You don't trade a TPE, you absorb the incoming player's salary into it, and a TPE is then created for the team who's sending out the player.

Both teams have to give up SOMETHING in a trade. Top-55 protected picks are commonly used, because (ostensibly, I haven't checked the CBA) that is the greatest amount of protection a team can put on a pick. Cash or player rights can also be conferred.

[Lucky17]

TP to saltlover. That was an interesting read.

[Eddie20]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  1m
Washington, Boston have completed sign-and-trade for Kris Humphries, source says. Boston gets a trade exception and protected 2nd round pick

Protected.  Hopefully no more than Top 40 protected, since they should make the playoffs easily.

My guess is top 55 protected. Not sure why those get thrown into deals, but we just gave one to the Cavs and we have at least two coming.

For CBA experts: Is there some provision buried in the CBA that provides that there cannot be a straight TPE-player exchange?

Yes, you can't trade something for nothing.  A TPE is not considered a something.  They actually updated the rules on this last week.

http://www.shamsports.com/2014/07/consideration-in-trades-and-trade.html

I would be surprised if it were Top-55.  Normally those are thrown around when you're dumping salary (that's how we got ours from SAC, when we dumped a player or two and they were below the salary floor).  Sign-and-trades for somewhat valuable players tend to bring back something somewhat worthwhile.

Bulpett thinks differently. We'll see.

Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop  ·
Second round pick Celts are getting from Washington is one of those that's so heavily protected it'll never happen.

[Smitty77]

Will this be used to pick up Biyombo or Turner??

Smitty77

[Jiri Welsch]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  1m
Washington, Boston have completed sign-and-trade for Kris Humphries, source says. Boston gets a trade exception and protected 2nd round pick

Protected.  Hopefully no more than Top 40 protected, since they should make the playoffs easily.

My guess is top 55 protected. Not sure why those get thrown into deals, but we just gave one to the Cavs and we have at least two coming.

For CBA experts: Is there some provision buried in the CBA that provides that there cannot be a straight TPE-player exchange?

Yes, you can't trade something for nothing.  A TPE is not considered a something.  They actually updated the rules on this last week.

http://www.shamsports.com/2014/07/consideration-in-trades-and-trade.html

I would be surprised if it were Top-55.  Normally those are thrown around when you're dumping salary (that's how we got ours from SAC, when we dumped a player or two and they were below the salary floor).  Sign-and-trades for somewhat valuable players tend to bring back something somewhat worthwhile.

Bulpett thinks differently. We'll see.

Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop  ·
Second round pick Celts are getting from Washington is one of those that's so heavily protected it'll never happen.

Usually those valuable players are RFAs. I think the Wizards keep their Ariza TPE and give us another one, which is the reason why they'd do it. I suspect Bulpett is correct.

As for Smitty's question, I see a Turner acquisition happening only if we trade Green, and we can do it with the MLE. I don't think we're close to being done yet. The fact that we didn't just let Humphries walk tells me something.

[saltlover]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  1m
Washington, Boston have completed sign-and-trade for Kris Humphries, source says. Boston gets a trade exception and protected 2nd round pick

Protected.  Hopefully no more than Top 40 protected, since they should make the playoffs easily.

My guess is top 55 protected. Not sure why those get thrown into deals, but we just gave one to the Cavs and we have at least two coming.

For CBA experts: Is there some provision buried in the CBA that provides that there cannot be a straight TPE-player exchange?

Yes, you can't trade something for nothing.  A TPE is not considered a something.  They actually updated the rules on this last week.

http://www.shamsports.com/2014/07/consideration-in-trades-and-trade.html

I would be surprised if it were Top-55.  Normally those are thrown around when you're dumping salary (that's how we got ours from SAC, when we dumped a player or two and they were below the salary floor).  Sign-and-trades for somewhat valuable players tend to bring back something somewhat worthwhile.

Bulpett thinks differently. We'll see.

Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop  ·
Second round pick Celts are getting from Washington is one of those that's so heavily protected it'll never happen.

Top 55 it is then.  Go Wizards! (The NBA office doesn't like those type of picks -- expect those to be quietly gotten rid of in the next CBA.)

[Sketch5]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  1m
Washington, Boston have completed sign-and-trade for Kris Humphries, source says. Boston gets a trade exception and protected 2nd round pick

Protected.  Hopefully no more than Top 40 protected, since they should make the playoffs easily.

My guess is top 55 protected. Not sure why those get thrown into deals, but we just gave one to the Cavs and we have at least two coming.

For CBA experts: Is there some provision buried in the CBA that provides that there cannot be a straight TPE-player exchange?

Yes, you can't trade something for nothing.  A TPE is not considered a something.  They actually updated the rules on this last week.

http://www.shamsports.com/2014/07/consideration-in-trades-and-trade.html

I would be surprised if it were Top-55.  Normally those are thrown around when you're dumping salary (that's how we got ours from SAC, when we dumped a player or two and they were below the salary floor).  Sign-and-trades for somewhat valuable players tend to bring back something somewhat worthwhile.

Bulpett thinks differently. We'll see.

Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop  ·
Second round pick Celts are getting from Washington is one of those that's so heavily protected it'll never happen.

Usually those valuable players are RFAs. I think the Wizards keep their Ariza TPE and give us another one, which is the reason why they'd do it. I suspect Bulpett is correct.

As for Smitty's question, I see a Turner acquisition happening only if we trade Green, and we can do it with the MLE. I don't think we're close to being done yet. The fact that we didn't just let Humphries walk tells me something.

Could Turner be used in a Minny trade since they are looking at him as well. Or is Turner something Flip is looking at to try and keep Love?

[Jiri Welsch]

I don't think Turner plays any role in the pursuit for Love, mainly because he's capable of being had by Minnesota presently.

I also don't see Turner as a tipping point sort of player in a potential Love deal but that's just me. I think the Celtics are looking to move a few other wing players which might explain the interest in Love.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  1m
Washington, Boston have completed sign-and-trade for Kris Humphries, source says. Boston gets a trade exception and protected 2nd round pick

Protected.  Hopefully no more than Top 40 protected, since they should make the playoffs easily.

My guess is top 55 protected. Not sure why those get thrown into deals, but we just gave one to the Cavs and we have at least two coming.

For CBA experts: Is there some provision buried in the CBA that provides that there cannot be a straight TPE-player exchange?

Yes, you can't trade something for nothing.  A TPE is not considered a something.  They actually updated the rules on this last week.

http://www.shamsports.com/2014/07/consideration-in-trades-and-trade.html

I would be surprised if it were Top-55.  Normally those are thrown around when you're dumping salary (that's how we got ours from SAC, when we dumped a player or two and they were below the salary floor).  Sign-and-trades for somewhat valuable players tend to bring back something somewhat worthwhile.

Bulpett thinks differently. We'll see.

Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop  ·
Second round pick Celts are getting from Washington is one of those that's so heavily protected it'll never happen.

Usually those valuable players are RFAs. I think the Wizards keep their Ariza TPE and give us another one, which is the reason why they'd do it. I suspect Bulpett is correct.

As for Smitty's question, I see a Turner acquisition happening only if we trade Green, and we can do it with the MLE. I don't think we're close to being done yet. The fact that we didn't just let Humphries walk tells me something.

Could Turner be used in a Minny trade since they are looking at him as well. Or is Turner something Flip is looking at to try and keep Love?

Only if Indiana plays ball in a S&T, and unless they're heavily compensated, I don't think they have interest in bringing Love to the Eastern Conference (unless they fear the chance of him going to Cleveland more).