Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery

[hpantazo]

No offense MK, but I don't want you doing me

i think he should do everyone. It's only fair.  He should start with you, though.

c'mon LarBird... if you want people to respect when you ask them to stop doing something (posting inappropriate stuff on flutter), you gotta do that for other folks.

Hey I never asked to have my entire team over-analyzed by mkogav either.  It certainly can be argued that mkogav's well-respected public opinion could have detrimental consequences for Bellevue's future trade options.  I was just saying that since he did it, he should just turn it into an entire series... Mkogav's 2015-16 Season Preview.  Only fair that he does everyone. 

I think all comments that are focused fully on basketball rather than personal comments are fair game. This is what the league and the forum is for , and I love that aspect of it. People shouldn't get offended if someone thinks particular players suck, or perceive it as someone trying to drag down value of your assets. These discussions are the fun part of this league and what the forum is for, and the production or lack thereof of players in yahoo will serve as proof if you believe in your opinions.

[mkogav]

No offense MK, but I don't want you doing me

i think he should do everyone. It's only fair.  He should start with you, though.

c'mon LarBird... if you want people to respect when you ask them to stop doing something (posting inappropriate stuff on flutter), you gotta do that for other folks.

Hey I never asked to have my entire team over-analyzed by mkogav either.  It certainly can be argued that mkogav's well-respected public opinion could have detrimental consequences for Bellevue's future trade options.  I was just saying that since he did it, he should just turn it into an entire series... Mkogav's 2015-16 Season Preview.  Only fair that he does everyone. 

No you never asked, but sometimes u don't have to. Occasionally, the things you *really* need in life come to you by the gravitational pull of the void that they fill.

Mk

[mkogav]

No offense MK, but I don't want you doing me

i think he should do everyone. It's only fair.  He should start with you, though.

c'mon LarBird... if you want people to respect when you ask them to stop doing something (posting inappropriate stuff on flutter), you gotta do that for other folks.

Hey I never asked to have my entire team over-analyzed by mkogav either.  It certainly can be argued that mkogav's well-respected public opinion could have detrimental consequences for Bellevue's future trade options.  I was just saying that since he did it, he should just turn it into an entire series... Mkogav's 2015-16 Season Preview.  Only fair that he does everyone. 

I think all comments that are focused fully on basketball rather than personal comments are fair game. This is what the league and the forum is for , and I love that aspect of it. People shouldn't get offended if someone thinks particular players suck, or perceive it as someone trying to drag down value of your assets. These discussions are the fun part of this league and what the forum is for, and the production or lack thereof of players in yahoo will serve as proof if you believe in your opinions.

Mk

[LarBrd33]

Ryno and Wes are on the move. DDs organization would like to thank the two for their service.

What idiot would acquire a guy coming off a torn achilles?

Mkogav had Jrue Holiday's points average dropping from 35-38fp to 25fp based on him aggravating a stress reaction that he previously recovered from and continued to average 35-38fp.   

So I'd be curious what kind of dip in production mkogav expects from a guy coming off a torn Achilles. 

[hpantazo]

No offense MK, but I don't want you doing me

I'd be totally happy for Mk to evaluate my team. No worries if you are harsh on any players, the roster is what it is.

It's pretty clear that TB's roster is in the early stages of a full rebuild. Let's see what he has going on.

Top Tier Productive Prospects
Jusuf Nurkic - What's not to love about the 7' 280 pound 20 y/o C? He averaged 21ppg in a merge 17.5 minutes per game. He's a beast! Well the one thing not to like is that he missed a lot of time with a sprained ankle and then has patellar tendon surgery. Like ACL surgery, it's very recoverable, but it's something to monitor going forward.


Top Tier TBD Prospects
Noah Vonleh - Hornets coach Steve Clifford is slow to play rookies. To make matters worse, Vonleh missed all of his rookie training camp b/c of appendix surgery. When force into playing Vonleh, he looked raw, but u can see the lottery talent; super athletic, plus rebounder, 3pt range. I expect he will work his way into next seasons rotation, but I would not expect a huge initial leap.
Dario Saric - Not expected to come to the NBA until next year. TBD.


Mid Tier TBD Prospects
Perry Jones - #FreePerryJones Perry needs to get out of OKC. The kids has talent. Scott Brook was a TERRIBLE coach.
Jeremy Lamb - #FreeJeremyLamb Speaking of getting out of OKC, the only player who needs it more than Perry is Jeremy Lamb.
Tyler Ennis - Pass first PG who has starter level talent. He's stuck behind MCW on the Bucks and needs either an injury or a trade to the right team to develop.


Rookie Prospects (I don't know if this list correct)
#6  - It's crucial that TB hits big with this pick. There will be a future 40ppg player available at #6. The question is whether TB can identify him by our Oct draft.
#14 - It's not as crucial that TB hit big at #14, but he can't miss either.



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I view everyone below this point as short term trade assets. None of these players fit into the 3-yr projected 30+ppg starters that I (if I were in TB's place) would be looking for. If they gain trade value, I would flip them. For example, if Beasley looks like the start SF in Miami, I would flip him for a pick(s)/prospect(s) that I like otherwise, I would cut him. Perhaps if a player or two in the next section have good summer leagues, I may hold onto them, but if not they would be gone.

It's far more crucial for TB to hit one or two waiver wire gems next season then to hold onto a bunch of guys who have no hope to ever be 30ppg players. The waiver wire is ALWAYS neglected and underutilized.
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Lower Tier TBD Prospects
Adreian Payne - I am not a fan. He's likely playing backup to Okafor & Dieng.
Damien Inglis - Never got PT b/c of injuries. A lot of scouts loved him in last years draft. It's difficult seeing him get much PT on the Bucks going forward.
Jerami Grant - Has a little talent. Sixers are a wild card. It's difficult to project him going forward, except he will likely back up Noel at PF.

Long Shots
Ray McCallum - Showed he had a little game last season, but not enough to make a case to be starter. I am not ready to throw in the towel on him, but he's likely a career backup who would better fit in a h2h cat league.
Isaiah Canaan - Like Ray, Isaiah is better in a cat format. The kid looks like he can develop into a lights out shooter, but I have doubt that he is a full-time starter. He's likely a career shooter off the bench.

Waiver Wire Wild Cards
Michael Beasley - Next season, he may be the starting SF or PF for the Miami Heat or the Guangdong Southern Tigers.
Kostas Pananikolaou - Kos best hope for PT is if he is flipped to Denver for Lawson. I just can see him getting any PT with the rockets. May go back to Europe.
Alexis Ajinca - He may be the starting center beside AD next season in NO or the start C in Barcelona.

Waiver Wire Material
Kyle Singler - He's a better fit in a h2h cat-based format. He could start 82 games at SG in OKC next season and average 15ppg (fan pts).


I don't believe there is a point in doing a ppg roster projection b/c TB's team is not built to produce and will likely finish in the bottom 3. Instead, here's a roster projection of players TB will have on his roster post 2015/16 season.


Spring 2016 Roster:

PG Tyler Ennis
PG Emmanuel Mudiay <DraftExpress #6>
SG Jeremy Lamb
SG <TBD via waiver addition or trade>
SF Perry Jones
SF <TBD via waiver addition or trade>
PF <TBD via waiver addition or trade>
PF Noah Vonleh
C  Jusuf Nurkic
C  <TBD via waiver addition or trade>
U Cameron Payne <DraftExpress #14)
B  <TBD via waiver addition or trade>
B  <TBD via waiver addition or trade>
B  <TBD via waiver addition or trade>
B  <TBD via waiver addition or trade>
B <empty holding spot for Dario Saric>

Waived or Traded:
Adreian Payne
Damien Inglis
Jerami Grant
Ray McCallum
Isaiah Canaan
Michael Beasley
Kostas Pananikolaou
Alexis Ajinca
Kyle Singler

Hopefully this whole thing doesn't come off as too harsh. My eval would be different for the H2H. However the Points League is a different beast. In the H2H league, Isaiah Canaan can get hot, from deep and win the 3pt category for a week. In the Points League, I can't see him as a year-year starter, in fbb producing 30 or 25 or 20 ppg, for the Sixers or anyone else. That said, he can be valuable to a contender as a short term fix or a rebuilding team like TB's as a trade asset.

Also, prospect evals are extremely difficult and subjective, sometime base on nothing more than a gut feeling. I am not an Adreian Payne fan, but I am sure TB is. Believe me, , if he starts putting up 15/10 every night, I will do a full 180 on him.


Mk

Excellent in depth evaluation Mk, thank you for doing it. With the exception of 1 or two players/points, I fully agree with it. The exceptions are that I think Adriean Payne will develop into a very productive player, but I could be wrong. I also think Ajinca will get a starting job on some NBA team next season and produce very well. I fully agree on the other evaluations, especially that there will be a 40 ppg player at #6 and I have to figure out who that will be, and that the waiver wire will have some talent out there to claim. Its a fun job trying to rebuild, more fun imo than when I was stuck in the middle with a roster of aging former all-stars. Lets see if I can actually get somewhere with this in 2-3 years

[yall hate]

Ryno and Wes are on the move. DDs organization would like to thank the two for their service.

What idiot would acquire a guy coming off a torn achilles?

Mkogav had Jrue Holiday's points average dropping from 35-38fp to 25fp based on him aggravating a stress reaction that he previously recovered from and continued to average 35-38fp.   

So I'd be curious what kind of dip in production mkogav expects from a guy coming off a torn Achilles.

Every trade I make:

[hpantazo]

How do you know his name is Christian?

Let's bring this back to FBB. I like a little drama, but the personal stuff is too much.

Since LB posted his roster, let's take a closer look.


Role players with potential both ways
8 - Bismack Biyombo

Bis can't score. By can't score, I mean hands of stone and the shooting touch of a catapult. He plays C and measure 6' 8" w/o shoes at the scouting combine. That said, if CP3 was his teams PG, he would be a smaller version of DeAndre Jordan b/c Bismack can rebound and block shots with the best. With a shooting PG like Kemba, he's relegated to garbage/injury time.

TP, it's comments like this that I read celticsblog for!

[LarBrd33]

How do you know his name is Christian?

Let's bring this back to FBB. I like a little drama, but the personal stuff is too much.

Since LB posted his roster, let's take a closer look.


Role players with potential both ways
8 - Bismack Biyombo

Bis can't score. By can't score, I mean hands of stone and the shooting touch of a catapult. He plays C and measure 6' 8" w/o shoes at the scouting combine. That said, if CP3 was his teams PG, he would be a smaller version of DeAndre Jordan b/c Bismack can rebound and block shots with the best. With a shooting PG like Kemba, he's relegated to garbage/injury time.

TP, it's comments like this that I read celticsblog for!

Careful how you talk about Boston's starting center next year.   We'll prob give Biz 8+ mil.  If you believe ssspence (longtime forum member), he's heard that Biz is Boston's target if we strike out on the bigger names.  Makes sense.  He has the capacity to be solid rim protector and supposedly Stevens thinks he can round out the rest of his game (biz is only 22 years old).   Only problem is, Biz turned heads during the last couple months of the season with his exceptional play and there's a good chance Charlotte matches any offer... they might look to move constantly injured Al Jefferson and pencil in Biz as their starting center... Zeller was playing most of his minutes at PF.

[hpantazo]

How do you know his name is Christian?

Let's bring this back to FBB. I like a little drama, but the personal stuff is too much.

Since LB posted his roster, let's take a closer look.


Role players with potential both ways
8 - Bismack Biyombo

Bis can't score. By can't score, I mean hands of stone and the shooting touch of a catapult. He plays C and measure 6' 8" w/o shoes at the scouting combine. That said, if CP3 was his teams PG, he would be a smaller version of DeAndre Jordan b/c Bismack can rebound and block shots with the best. With a shooting PG like Kemba, he's relegated to garbage/injury time.

TP, it's comments like this that I read celticsblog for!

Careful how you talk about Boston's starting center next year.   We'll prob give Biz 8+ mil.  If you believe ssspence (longtime forum member), he's heard that Biz is Boston's target if we strike out on the bigger names.  Makes sense.  He has the capacity to be solid rim protector and supposedly Stevens thinks he can round out the rest of his game (biz is only 22 years old).   Only problem is, Biz turned heads during the last couple months of the season with his exceptional play and there's a good chance Charlotte matches any offer... they might look to move constantly injured Al Jefferson and pencil in Biz as their starting center... Zeller was playing most of his minutes at PF.

If that is the Celtics starting center next season, I'm also going to be like this:




I would love to see them sign or trade for Hibbert. CBS would do wonders with him, and he is actually a center with legit size, and he is very, very available right now.

[LarBrd33]

How do you know his name is Christian?

Let's bring this back to FBB. I like a little drama, but the personal stuff is too much.

Since LB posted his roster, let's take a closer look.


Role players with potential both ways
8 - Bismack Biyombo

Bis can't score. By can't score, I mean hands of stone and the shooting touch of a catapult. He plays C and measure 6' 8" w/o shoes at the scouting combine. That said, if CP3 was his teams PG, he would be a smaller version of DeAndre Jordan b/c Bismack can rebound and block shots with the best. With a shooting PG like Kemba, he's relegated to garbage/injury time.

TP, it's comments like this that I read celticsblog for!

Careful how you talk about Boston's starting center next year.   We'll prob give Biz 8+ mil.  If you believe ssspence (longtime forum member), he's heard that Biz is Boston's target if we strike out on the bigger names.  Makes sense.  He has the capacity to be solid rim protector and supposedly Stevens thinks he can round out the rest of his game (biz is only 22 years old).   Only problem is, Biz turned heads during the last couple months of the season with his exceptional play and there's a good chance Charlotte matches any offer... they might look to move constantly injured Al Jefferson and pencil in Biz as their starting center... Zeller was playing most of his minutes at PF.

If that is the Celtics starting center next season, I'm also going to be like this:




I would love to see them sign or trade for Hibbert. CBS would do wonders with him, and he is actually a center with legit size, and he is very, very available right now.

I'd actually love if Boston brought in Biyombo.  He's been a binkie of mine for a while... hence why I traded for him.   Crazy length and athleticism.   His defensive rating would have been top 10 with qualified minutes.   He'd actually be a great fit for what we need.  Averages something like 12 rebounds and 3 blocks per 36 minutes.  The offense is poor, but he gets a lot of hustle put-backs and dunks (hence the high shooting percentages).  He started 21 games last season and in 27mpg he averaged 7 points, 8.4 rebounds, 2 blocks with 55% shooting and a respectable 63% from the line.    We need a rim protector... Bis would be a good addition.  He's also 22 years old and really hadn't played ball at all until joining the league... He's like Ibaka-lite. 

[Gainesville Celtic]

Estimated 2015/16 PPG

B Julius Randle         18

well... maybe "haters gonna hate" i think Mk is trying to put a hex on Randle as he's set to (re)join the world champion Gainesville Celtics this fall in the h2h league.

I am saving all my hater karma for Anthony "Two week MVP" Morrow.

Mk

Welll leave a little for....

Hopefully this whole thing doesn't come off as too harsh. My eval would be different for the H2H. However the Points League is a different beast. In the H2H league, Isaiah Canaan can get hot, from deep and win the 3pt category for a week.

Mk

The OTHER isaiah... Whew, good thing I wasted my end-of-season waiver claim on Mr. Canaan... what team would drop a guy like that?!?! 

[Gainesville Celtic]

No offense MK, but I don't want you doing me

i think he should do everyone. It's only fair.  He should start with you, though.

c'mon LarBird... if you want people to respect when you ask them to stop doing something (posting inappropriate stuff on flutter), you gotta do that for other folks.

Hey I never asked to have my entire team over-analyzed by mkogav either.  It certainly can be argued that mkogav's well-respected public opinion could have detrimental consequences for Bellevue's future trade options.  I was just saying that since he did it, he should just turn it into an entire series... Mkogav's 2015-16 Season Preview.  Only fair that he does everyone. 

I think all comments that are focused fully on basketball rather than personal comments are fair game. This is what the league and the forum is for , and I love that aspect of it.

agreed... OTOH LB and Rondo have had their issues and we just got through an uptick in non-basketball ballyhooing.

So my point was sometimes the best thing to say is nothing at all (rather than pouring gas on embers...).

It's a lesson I hope to one day be smart enough to heed 

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For the record Mk can DO the Ubuntus... but I'll prob. disagree with every word SINCE UTAH FINISHED BELOW ME IN BOTH LEAGUES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAH!!!!!!!!!

[mkogav]

Ryno and Wes are on the move. DDs organization would like to thank the two for their service.

What idiot would acquire a guy coming off a torn achilles?

Mkogav had Jrue Holiday's points average dropping from 35-38fp to 25fp based on him aggravating a stress reaction that he previously recovered from and continued to average 35-38fp.   

The re-aggravation was caused by overuse or this is just a reoccurring thing with him. Perhaps, it was caused by the screw that they removed. Regardless, like Durant who failed to return healthy from a fracture, I don't expect their teams to run either player out for a full 35min per for 82 games.  I expect NO to bring Jrue along slowly. He's basically a point per min player. I estimated that he'll only log 25mins per games next season for the full season. However, if NO plays him 30-35 mins per game, I would expect him to average 30-35ppg.

2. Had this be the first tSo I'd be curious what kind of dip in production mkogav expects from a guy coming off a torn Achilles.

He ave 28.2 last season. It normally take 6-9 months to be ready to play ball at full speed. He's already 3 months in. If he resigns with POR, I expect his production to drop a bit based on not being fully ready for the start of the season and having his minutes monitored. I would guess ~23ppg.

Mk

[Gainesville Celtic]

Did you know some team dropped Jordan Clarkson for Sebastian Telfair last year 

[hpantazo]

How do you know his name is Christian?

Let's bring this back to FBB. I like a little drama, but the personal stuff is too much.

Since LB posted his roster, let's take a closer look.


Role players with potential both ways
8 - Bismack Biyombo

Bis can't score. By can't score, I mean hands of stone and the shooting touch of a catapult. He plays C and measure 6' 8" w/o shoes at the scouting combine. That said, if CP3 was his teams PG, he would be a smaller version of DeAndre Jordan b/c Bismack can rebound and block shots with the best. With a shooting PG like Kemba, he's relegated to garbage/injury time.

TP, it's comments like this that I read celticsblog for!

Careful how you talk about Boston's starting center next year.   We'll prob give Biz 8+ mil.  If you believe ssspence (longtime forum member), he's heard that Biz is Boston's target if we strike out on the bigger names.  Makes sense.  He has the capacity to be solid rim protector and supposedly Stevens thinks he can round out the rest of his game (biz is only 22 years old).   Only problem is, Biz turned heads during the last couple months of the season with his exceptional play and there's a good chance Charlotte matches any offer... they might look to move constantly injured Al Jefferson and pencil in Biz as their starting center... Zeller was playing most of his minutes at PF.

If that is the Celtics starting center next season, I'm also going to be like this:




I would love to see them sign or trade for Hibbert. CBS would do wonders with him, and he is actually a center with legit size, and he is very, very available right now.

I'd actually love if Boston brought in Biyombo.  He's been a binkie of mine for a while... hence why I traded for him.   Crazy length and athleticism.   His defensive rating would have been top 10 with qualified minutes.   He'd actually be a great fit for what we need.  Averages something like 12 rebounds and 3 blocks per 36 minutes.  The offense is poor, but he gets a lot of hustle put-backs and dunks (hence the high shooting percentages).  He started 21 games last season and in 27mpg he averaged 7 points, 8.4 rebounds, 2 blocks with 55% shooting and a respectable 63% from the line.    We need a rim protector... Bis would be a good addition.  He's also 22 years old and really hadn't played ball at all until joining the league... He's like Ibaka-lite.

Well, except that is not true, he began playing basketball at the age of 9 like most american kids, and has been a pro basketball player since age 14, so he must be totally maxed out on potential by now:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/columns/story?page=Biyombo-110614

But according to your statement, he didn't start playing until he entered the NBA, which makes me wonder how he even got drafted: