Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery

[Rondo2287]

If LB33 made Birdman's supposed counteroffer public isn't it fair game to call out his initial offers?  IMO if somebody posts my offer and or counteroffer I would consider it consent to post their replies as well. 

[barefacedmonk]

I know it wasn't the right thing to do, and that's why it took me sometime to finally post whatever I did. I'm against making any private conversation public. But LarBrd33 has a history. He pulled off similar stuff with me the past two seasons. Make up a ridiculous offer then post it here claiming it to be from another GM. And now he has done the same with hpantazo and Birdman.

Yet he continues to play a victim of "bullying". GMs who are frustrated with his pathetic offers and don't want to trade with him are called "bad eggs" of the league and then given 'how-to-evaluate-NBA-player's-value 101' lectures.

Like I said, in this particular instance, I have no regrets in making anything public. Especially since LarBrd33 brought this upon himself by making up offers and throwing them out in public.

[Rondo2287]

Anyways, Whats done is done.  Lets just move on at this point now that we know where everybody stands. 

[Eja117]

And we now begin the countdown to something along the lines of "I don't do that" or "I don't understand why everyone does this to me" or "No theeeessseeee were the reaaalllll offers" or "I don't see the problem I always end up giving up so much in offers. Yes I made a billion offers where I started incredibly low BUT I made ONE offer on February 23rd at 1:04pm that was REALLY good!" or what have you.

[barefacedmonk]

Players on the trading block:

Tyson Chandler
Eric Gordon
Jamal Crawford
JR Smith
David Lee
Marcus Morris
Aaron Brooks

Picks: 2016 #1 rd and #2 rd.

[Rondo2287]

Also, Kobe is on the Block.  Looking for a 2016 first. 

[barefacedmonk]

Bacon has been off the grid this summer. He is usually very active in trade talks during the off-season.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Bacon has been off the grid this summer. He is usually very active in trade talks during the off-season.

He's around... he and I have traded some proposals.

Maybe he's just tired of your offers of John Wall for his 2016 2nd rounder

[LarBrd33]

When I reached out about LaMarcus Aldridge, Birdman asked for Julius Randle, Khris Middleton, Otto Porter jr and Jrue Holiday.

 

Again, this is a flat out lie. You make it sound like Bridman asked for all of those players for Aldridge in a single trade. Where as these were your offers:

McLemore and #26 for Aldridge
Exum for Aldridge
Randle for Aldridge
Aldridge and Isaiah Thomas for Jrue Holiday ( wow  )
Gasol and Aldridge for Middleton (again...just wow..smh. But we know whey you are p---ed now)
Biyombo or Stauskas + 26 for Aldridge (well, this isn't surprising anymore)

Ofcouse, you've pointed out many times how LMA is old, so he isn't worth more than the ransom you've offered.

Sorry, LarBrd33. I just had to post all this since you publicly make false accusations against another GM. You did that with hpantazo and you did it with Birdman.

Continue doing that and the number of so called "bad eggs in this league who don't want to trade with you" will continue to grow.

Are these real trade offers or are you just spitballing BFM?

Real stuff. All offers made by the GM who "overpays" in every trade.

I didn't want to do this, but since he usually cries "bullying" and make offers via PM that are completely different from the ones he claims to have made publicly, I feel it is deserved.

No need to apologize. It confirms what I suspected:  birdman was using me as leverage and wasn't engaging in good faith trade discussions with me.  His only offer to me was Aldridge for Middleton, holiday, randle and Porter jr.   I repeatedly told him I didn't want to engage in a bidding war against myself and consistently asked him what he wanted in a deal.  Had he engaged in good faith trade discussions with me on dragic and gasol, he would have been paid twice what he ultimate received. So I threw out lots of stuff.  He never complained.   Meanwhile he apparently was telling you everything I was offering him... Likely to increase your bid   You should be pleased that I didn't offer him what I considered  actually giving up at one point:  embiid and #2... Because it kept you and your middling assets in the hunt.

Again, context is everything.  I was accused, once again, of low balling.  Once again I was called to task for my trade negotiations from a vocal minority.  They suggested that new users should be warned about me like I'm some kind of leper.  I pointed out that literally everyone in this league engages in the same stuff.   I'm not going to apologize for Pointing out that TB thinks saric is as valuable as wiggins. I'm not going to apologize for pointing out that Birdman thinks his one allstar is worth 4.  Neither comment hurts either of these teams.  I'm no longer trying to trade for alridge or saric... So if you can offer TB more than wiggins and can offer birdman more than 4 allstar players, good for you, good for tb, and good for birdman.

The anti-larbrd hysteria is at an all time high. Accuse me of low balling by publicly sharing my negotiations for weeks. (Ugh he offered me biyombo!!).  The angry little mob responds by saying "here's what he offered me too!!"... The mob continues by saying "we should send all of those to new users so they are warned about larbrd33"... This has now been several weeks of the angry little mob sharing my private trade negotiations with everyone.  You people started this. Not me.

So I respond by pointing out the hypcrisy of your weeks of theatrics.  I use three overwhelmingly ridiculous and recent examples.  Saric is worth wiggins.  A 2nd rounder is Worth wiggins.  Aldridge is worth 4 Allstars.  Pointing these out does nothing to hurt those teams.

The angry little mob responds with a two pages circle jerk about how larbrd33 is the worst since he shared private trade negotiations.   Major hypcrisy going on here.

TL;DR:  I am, in-fact, being bullied here. Frankly, I'm sick of it and I've lost my patience. When I fight back by pointing out that you people send me the same "terrible" offers I send you, I'm bullied even more for it.  Go back several pages and you'll see dozens of posts sharing my private trade negotiations.

[Rondo2287]

What 4 allstars did Birdman ask for in exchange for Aldridge?

[Gainesville Celtic]

Are we really gonna just revive some different version of this argument over-and-over or is there some chance y'all might find some way to either work it out or cool it?

this is only mildly rhetorical... i'm wondering what the end game here is.

[LarBrd33]

What 4 allstars did Birdman ask for in exchange for Aldridge?

to me, they are all all-stars

Happy to move on, but I woke up to two pages of hate and lies about my team from some hypocrits who engage in the same behavior.  I've posted my response. I'll leave it at that.

[Rondo2287]

What 4 allstars did Birdman ask for in exchange for Aldridge?

to me, they are all all-stars

Happy to move on, but I woke up to two pages of hate and lies about my team from some hypocrits who engage in the same behavior.  I've posted my response. I'll leave it at that.

So just to be clear, by 4 all stars you mean 3 players who are not allstars and one player who is two injured seasons removed from being an allstar

[LarBrd33]

Are we really gonna just revive some different version of this argument over-and-over or is there some chance y'all might find some way to either work it out or cool it?

this is only mildly rhetorical... i'm wondering what the end game here is.

As far as I can tell, the goal is to eliminate me as a competitor.  If my team was filled with garbage, I doubt I'd be fending off vultures right now.

Some of these guys have clear motives. We are going after the same assets. One of them owns my 2016 1st.  It is what it is.

[hpantazo]

Are we really gonna just revive some different version of this argument over-and-over or is there some chance y'all might find some way to either work it out or cool it?

this is only mildly rhetorical... i'm wondering what the end game here is.

As far as I can tell, the goal is to eliminate me as a competitor.  If my team was filled with garbage, I doubt I'd be fending off vultures right now.

Some of these guys have clear motives. We are going after the same assets. One of them owns my 2016 1st.  It is what it is.

No, the goal is to get you to spot making up stuff and posting crap about other people and begin treating everyone with a minimal level of respect that is expected from all GMs, but I guess that's not going to happen as you ignored all the evidence about how you make up fake trade offers from other GMs and continue on with your conspiracy theories. So then it's just time to move on from this stuff, please don't bring it up anymore, and don't make up fake trade offers from me other people anymore, just stick to basketball talk and when talking about offers, remember they are #1, private, and #2, don't lie and distort them to fit your arguments

I've often stated that I think your team is great and you've done a great job with it, and I have often supported you on here and privately in these issues that people have with you, but you continue to lie and manipulate situations and disrespect everyone involved.