Report: Joel Embiid's physical with Cleveland "did not go well"

[footey]

No one's taking Embiid without looking at his records.

CLE is capable of rejecting Embiid for conditions for which we and other teams wouldn't since Gilbert wants to win now to get in the playoffs. Embiid who is less NBA-ready than Parker or Wiggins has never been a slam dunk pick there even if his back was 100%.

I never bought into CLE being desperate to win now.  What is the rush?  It's not like they have a star on their team who is at his prime.  Like us with Pierce, and now with Rondo.  They are still very young.

What?  They absolutely have to win now, or be virtually guaranteed to lose Kyrie.  No team needs to make the playoffs next year more than Cleveland.

Don't believe the hype. Doesn't he get bigger contract if he stays? He's too young to care about winning now.

How do you know what's going on in his head?

Psychic ability.

[saltlover]

So Embiid's agent is Arn Tellem? Isn't he the guy who steered other teams away from picking Kobe? Is there a possibility that he's trying to spare Embiid the fate of being picked by Cleveland? Or, even possibly any team picking until they get all the way down to the Lakers again?

Probably not in this case.  The difference in salary over four years between #1 and #7 is about $10 million.  It's one thing to force a player somewhere 1-2 spots later, especially a little later in the round when the salaries are a bit flatter, but he'd make about double going #1 vs #7.  Keep in mind with Kobe that:

A) The Lakers traded Vlade Divac near the prime of his career, and Vlade was no slouch.  It's not like Kobe fell far or anything.
B) Kobe was a high schooler.  Kobe and KG are what made teams willing to pick high schoolers earlier.  Before that, they weren't seen as smart top 10 picks.  (And now they're banned.)

I hear you, except the quality of organization and scale of endorsement opportunities weighs heavily in favor of the Lakers over the Cavs.

Although not as great, the marketability of a Boston uniform over a Cleveland uniform is probably double or triple that lost 10 million.

Ya think?  Paul Pierce was the greatest Celtics in a generation, and from the best I can tell, made only about $1.5 million in endorsements at the height of his marketing value.  It could take a decade before Embiid made up that $10 million in Boston compared to Cleveland.

LA, maybe.  But he'd have to become a star first, and even then I don't think he'd make it up during the first four years of his rookie deal, unless he's extremely camera friendly.  Certainly he wouldn't surpass the lost value for 5-6 years, and again, that assumes he becomes the next Hakeem.  If he's the next Michael Olawakandi, then he'll never make it up.

If the Lakers picked second or third, maybe it'd make sense to force him there.  But not 7th.

[footey]

So Embiid's agent is Arn Tellem? Isn't he the guy who steered other teams away from picking Kobe? Is there a possibility that he's trying to spare Embiid the fate of being picked by Cleveland? Or, even possibly any team picking until they get all the way down to the Lakers again?

Probably not in this case.  The difference in salary over four years between #1 and #7 is about $10 million.  It's one thing to force a player somewhere 1-2 spots later, especially a little later in the round when the salaries are a bit flatter, but he'd make about double going #1 vs #7.  Keep in mind with Kobe that:

A) The Lakers traded Vlade Divac near the prime of his career, and Vlade was no slouch.  It's not like Kobe fell far or anything.
B) Kobe was a high schooler.  Kobe and KG are what made teams willing to pick high schoolers earlier.  Before that, they weren't seen as smart top 10 picks.  (And now they're banned.)

I hear you, except the quality of organization and scale of endorsement opportunities weighs heavily in favor of the Lakers over the Cavs.

Although not as great, the marketability of a Boston uniform over a Cleveland uniform is probably double or triple that lost 10 million.

Ya think?  Paul Pierce was the greatest Celtics in a generation, and from the best I can tell, made only about $1.5 million in endorsements at the height of his marketing value.  It could take a decade before Embiid made up that $10 million in Boston compared to Cleveland.

LA, maybe.  But he'd have to become a star first, and even then I don't think he'd make it up during the first four years of his rookie deal, unless he's extremely camera friendly.  Certainly he wouldn't surpass the lost value for 5-6 years, and again, that assumes he becomes the next Hakeem.  If he's the next Michael Olawakandi, then he'll never make it up.

If the Lakers picked second or third, maybe it'd make sense to force him there.  But not 7th.

We're talking rookie contract. Small piece of career earnings for a guy of his projected status.

[saltlover]

So Embiid's agent is Arn Tellem? Isn't he the guy who steered other teams away from picking Kobe? Is there a possibility that he's trying to spare Embiid the fate of being picked by Cleveland? Or, even possibly any team picking until they get all the way down to the Lakers again?

Probably not in this case.  The difference in salary over four years between #1 and #7 is about $10 million.  It's one thing to force a player somewhere 1-2 spots later, especially a little later in the round when the salaries are a bit flatter, but he'd make about double going #1 vs #7.  Keep in mind with Kobe that:

A) The Lakers traded Vlade Divac near the prime of his career, and Vlade was no slouch.  It's not like Kobe fell far or anything.
B) Kobe was a high schooler.  Kobe and KG are what made teams willing to pick high schoolers earlier.  Before that, they weren't seen as smart top 10 picks.  (And now they're banned.)

I hear you, except the quality of organization and scale of endorsement opportunities weighs heavily in favor of the Lakers over the Cavs.

Although not as great, the marketability of a Boston uniform over a Cleveland uniform is probably double or triple that lost 10 million.

Ya think?  Paul Pierce was the greatest Celtics in a generation, and from the best I can tell, made only about $1.5 million in endorsements at the height of his marketing value.  It could take a decade before Embiid made up that $10 million in Boston compared to Cleveland.

LA, maybe.  But he'd have to become a star first, and even then I don't think he'd make it up during the first four years of his rookie deal, unless he's extremely camera friendly.  Certainly he wouldn't surpass the lost value for 5-6 years, and again, that assumes he becomes the next Hakeem.  If he's the next Michael Olawakandi, then he'll never make it up.

If the Lakers picked second or third, maybe it'd make sense to force him there.  But not 7th.

We're talking rookie contract. Small piece of career earnings for a guy of his projected status.

Or it could be by far the largest contract he gets.  There is no way that Tellen tries to force him outside of the top 3.  Not good for the player, and not good for Tellem when he's recruiting next year's draft class to sign with him.  It's easy enough to force him to a major market for his second contract if he's healthy and becoming a star.  That's when you get the endorsements anyway.  No reason to take 40% less over the next four years.

[CM0]

So Embiid's agent is Arn Tellem? Isn't he the guy who steered other teams away from picking Kobe? Is there a possibility that he's trying to spare Embiid the fate of being picked by Cleveland? Or, even possibly any team picking until they get all the way down to the Lakers again?

Probably not in this case.  The difference in salary over four years between #1 and #7 is about $10 million.  It's one thing to force a player somewhere 1-2 spots later, especially a little later in the round when the salaries are a bit flatter, but he'd make about double going #1 vs #7.  Keep in mind with Kobe that:

A) The Lakers traded Vlade Divac near the prime of his career, and Vlade was no slouch.  It's not like Kobe fell far or anything.
B) Kobe was a high schooler.  Kobe and KG are what made teams willing to pick high schoolers earlier.  Before that, they weren't seen as smart top 10 picks.  (And now they're banned.)

I hear you, except the quality of organization and scale of endorsement opportunities weighs heavily in favor of the Lakers over the Cavs.

Although not as great, the marketability of a Boston uniform over a Cleveland uniform is probably double or triple that lost 10 million.

Ya think?  Paul Pierce was the greatest Celtics in a generation, and from the best I can tell, made only about $1.5 million in endorsements at the height of his marketing value.  It could take a decade before Embiid made up that $10 million in Boston compared to Cleveland.

LA, maybe.  But he'd have to become a star first, and even then I don't think he'd make it up during the first four years of his rookie deal, unless he's extremely camera friendly.  Certainly he wouldn't surpass the lost value for 5-6 years, and again, that assumes he becomes the next Hakeem.  If he's the next Michael Olawakandi, then he'll never make it up.

If the Lakers picked second or third, maybe it'd make sense to force him there.  But not 7th.

We're talking rookie contract. Small piece of career earnings for a guy of his projected status.

Or it could be by far the largest contract he gets.  There is no way that Tellen tries to force him outside of the top 3.  Not good for the player, and not good for Tellem when he's recruiting next year's draft class to sign with him.  It's easy enough to force him to a major market for his second contract if he's healthy and becoming a star.  That's when you get the endorsements anyway.  No reason to take 40% less over the next four years.

I completely agree. Ntm, going first overall greatly improves marketability and the likelihood of large endorsement deals for the national/global market.

[footey]

Cavs blown away by Embiid's workout and measurements.  Measured 7'1" in shoes, 7'6" wing-span.

See link.

http://fansided.com/2014/06/14/nba-draft-rumors-cavaliers-blown-away-joel-embiid/#!Y6FND


I think this injury concern thing rumor is going to fade away pretty fast.

Cavs are going to take this kid with their 1 pick.

Let the Lebron James to Cleveland rumors commence again!!

[footey]

That would be a pretty awesome team if Embiid and James joined the fold, to join Irving.  I wouldn't bet against them.

[Rondo9]

Too bad Lebron will most likely might not come there......

[bknova]

Cavs blown away by Embiid's workout and measurements.  Measured 7'1" in shoes, 7'6" wing-span.

See link.

http://fansided.com/2014/06/14/nba-draft-rumors-cavaliers-blown-away-joel-embiid/#!Y6FND


I think this injury concern thing rumor is going to fade away pretty fast.

Cavs are going to take this kid with their 1 pick.

Let the Lebron James to Cleveland rumors commence again!!

Hold your horses compadre, Embiid scheduled a work out with Milwaukee.  Guess the Cleveland workout and physical wasn't flawless enough to warrant a guarantee....