Report: Joel Embiid's physical with Cleveland "did not go well"

[footey]

So what are the chances of the Celtics getting Embiid now?

Without trading up, still basically 0.  Too much potential there.

EDIT:  Unless the medical reports are REALLY bad, in which case we might not want him anyway.

Agreed.  But it is realistic to now work out a trade, especially if we feel that it is in the category of a Sully back problem, rather than a Larry Bird career ending back problem. Obviously we would need to see the medical report before making a proposed trade offer.

[clover]

I wonder if there's a chance now that he'll meet with more teams.

[fairweatherfan]

I don't see any logical reason why Cleveland would throw this out there to purposely effect his stock negatively if it weren't true.

Agreed. If nothing else, it lessens the trade value of the pick.

Even if there are red flags I'd understand Ainge grabbing him if he actually falls to us.

I wouldn't be shocked if another team above us thought the same thing though if the Cavs pass. 76ers have shown they'll go after injured talent certainly.

Getting Embiid or Wiggins was my hope going into the lottery. Now its just landing Kevin Love, I guess this puts Embiid back into play potentially.

Yeah, if Parker and Wiggins go 1-2, who would Philly take over Embiid's potential?  They've already got a big comboish PG in Carter-Williams; while they might go for a super-big versatile backcourt with Exum or Smart, I think they'd rather have a shooter at the 2.  Unless they really love Vonleh or Gordon it seems like Embiid would be worth a shot.

I think if he does drop to us we've gotta grab him, unless there's something seriously degenerative about his condition.  But I can't imagine 5 teams passing on the potential of an elite two-way C.

I wonder if Utah would grab him.......

They'd probably have to abandon the Kanter/Favors experiment, but it wouldn't surprise me if they went for it.

My most realistic hope is that Embiid still gets taken ahead of us, but his injury issues cause a team to pass on him in favor of a player we probably wouldn't take, like Vonleh or McDermott or somebody, and push more of those top guys down.

[footey]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

[gpap]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

Injury prone guys with bad backs equal championships.

[Donoghus]

I would be excited to be able to draft Embiid but gambling on a guy's health is scary. People could fondly look back at the Sully pick and say he was a steal, or look at Portland's Oden pick and shake their head.

The Sully gamble made a lot more sense to me since we were drafting in the 20s anyways and might as well try risk/reward at that point.

Doing it at #6 is a lot different.

It's not like you're drafting at the top three. The Celtics need a center, and Embiid could be their best and cheapest option out there.

This Celtics team has a lot of needs.  A few could be addressed at #6 besides C.

[Rondo9]

I would be excited to be able to draft Embiid but gambling on a guy's health is scary. People could fondly look back at the Sully pick and say he was a steal, or look at Portland's Oden pick and shake their head.

The Sully gamble made a lot more sense to me since we were drafting in the 20s anyways and might as well try risk/reward at that point.

Doing it at #6 is a lot different.

It's not like you're drafting at the top three. The Celtics need a center, and Embiid could be their best and cheapest option out there.

This Celtics team has a lot of needs.  A few could be addressed at #6 besides C.

The center is what the Celtics need most, and Embiid is too good not to get taken by the Celtics.

[j804]

I don't see any logical reason why Cleveland would throw this out there to purposely effect his stock negatively if it weren't true.

Agreed. If nothing else, it lessens the trade value of the pick.

Even if there are red flags I'd understand Ainge grabbing him if he actually falls to us.

I wouldn't be shocked if another team above us thought the same thing though if the Cavs pass. 76ers have shown they'll go after injured talent certainly.

Getting Embiid or Wiggins was my hope going into the lottery. Now its just landing Kevin Love, I guess this puts Embiid back into play potentially.

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Yeah, I would take him at #6, assuming he's going to be cleared to play.

Any of the 3 4 5 spots I'm sure would as well don't see how he he falls to us

[Sketch5]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

I didn't say wait till 17th if the doctors okay him like Sully. I said if they don't, you don't grab unless he falls that far. If our doctors say he can play with the right treatments, yeah you take him at 6. But if the redflags are that bad that they are being reported by Cleveland that gets no benefit to reporting this right now, who could use a player like this, it must be pretty bad. 

[Donoghus]

I would be excited to be able to draft Embiid but gambling on a guy's health is scary. People could fondly look back at the Sully pick and say he was a steal, or look at Portland's Oden pick and shake their head.

The Sully gamble made a lot more sense to me since we were drafting in the 20s anyways and might as well try risk/reward at that point.

Doing it at #6 is a lot different.

It's not like you're drafting at the top three. The Celtics need a center, and Embiid could be their best and cheapest option out there.

This Celtics team has a lot of needs.  A few could be addressed at #6 besides C.

The center is what the Celtics need most, and Embiid is too good not to get taken by the Celtics.

And they'll be looking for a C again next year if this kid's body breaks down or doesn't hold.

If he medically checks out, take him.  Fine.  The problem is that scenario happens, he's not gonna be there at #6.

[Rondo9]

I would be excited to be able to draft Embiid but gambling on a guy's health is scary. People could fondly look back at the Sully pick and say he was a steal, or look at Portland's Oden pick and shake their head.

The Sully gamble made a lot more sense to me since we were drafting in the 20s anyways and might as well try risk/reward at that point.

Doing it at #6 is a lot different.

It's not like you're drafting at the top three. The Celtics need a center, and Embiid could be their best and cheapest option out there.

This Celtics team has a lot of needs.  A few could be addressed at #6 besides C.

The center is what the Celtics need most, and Embiid is too good not to get taken by the Celtics.

And they'll be looking for a C again next year if this kid's body breaks down or doesn't hold.

If he medically checks out, take him.  Fine.  The problem is that scenario happens, he's not gonna be there at #6.

That's true.....

[saltlover]

So what are the chances of the Celtics getting Embiid now?

Without trading up, still basically 0.  Too much potential there.

EDIT:  Unless the medical reports are REALLY bad, in which case we might not want him anyway.

Not really.  It depends who he works out for.  If he only shows up to Cleveland, and they pass, everyone else will be picking blind.  It could be that the reports aren't great, and that makes Wiggins a better pick for Cleveland, but they'd have still taken him over Parker or Exum (hypothetically -- for all I know they like Parker more than Wiggins).  Point is, he's still #2 on Cleveland's board, but Milwaukee doesn't know this.  So they pass and take Parker.  Philly also has no info, and likes Exum.  Orlando has no info, and likes Smart.

Now he's fallen to 5 in a hurry, and no one still has any info, even though Cleveland hypothetically would have taken him at #2.

I've said all along that limiting the teams he takes a physical for could cause him to drop further than he otherwise would.

[Tr1boy]

Only if our doctors can fix embiid like they did for sully

6th and 17th to bucks for 2nd and 31st picks

Or 76ers for 3rd and 32nd picks

[LilRip]

I would be excited to be able to draft Embiid but gambling on a guy's health is scary. People could fondly look back at the Sully pick and say he was a steal, or look at Portland's Oden pick and shake their head.

The Sully gamble made a lot more sense to me since we were drafting in the 20s anyways and might as well try risk/reward at that point.

Doing it at #6 is a lot different.

It's not like you're drafting at the top three. The Celtics need a center, and Embiid could be their best and cheapest option out there.

This Celtics team has a lot of needs.  A few could be addressed at #6 besides C.

The center is what the Celtics need most, and Embiid is too good not to get taken by the Celtics.

a guy who ends up playing 30 games his entire career will not help us (or anyone else), despite how skilled he looks in an open gym.

[Robb]

Sources this came from in order of my estimated likelihood.

1. Team below Milwaukee. They think CLE might not pick him, don't want him to go to MIL. Think PHI will pass on him because of Noel or they think they can trade with PHI for the 3

2. CLE. They may have an offer to move down with a team that wants Parker/Wiggins. Maybe they're trading to PHI for 3 and want to see Embiid drop to there. Get the guy they want and pick up an asset.

3. Tellem. Knows CLE won't take Embiid, doesn't want him in MIL.

I'm also very interested to see if he makes any more visits.