NBC Sports-Chicago has a better offer for Love

[indeedproceed]

Lol and this at the end of the article.

Without question, the Celtics have more than enough to pry Love ? at least unless the Bulls have made an incredible offer that exceeds expectations.

So, MacMullan?s report tells me either Chicago is offering too much for Love or Boston has, at least so far, refused to offer enough. But if the Celtics want Love, they probably have the assets to make a strong offer.

They just haven?t yet.

TP, I was just scrolling down the page to post the same. Did anyone actually read the article in full?

The Celtics have the pieces to make a much stronger offer . Better cap relief, better picks. Still young prospects with some promise (although I'm not sure how I feel about Jimmy Butler anymore. Before the season, I would've said he's a stronger prospect than Sullinger. Now, I think they're about evenly matched).

I hate to be a 'this is the way it is and you're wrong' guy, but...

Danny's a negotiator. He never takes back less than he wants for an asset, and never pays more than he feels he should. So what's he doing right now? Probably nothing, scouting prospects, acting chill as a G and pretending it's just another off-season. He's letting other teams set the price, and when it's made, he'll decide if he wants to trump it or not. He probably won't talk to Saunders again for a couple weeks.

What does Danny have to gain by showing his hand now? Minnesota isn't going to trade Love until they're satisfied they're getting the best possible offer for him. All Danny gains by showing his real offer now is potentially escalating an already hot bidding war. He's being Danny. This is still more non-news.

[Mr October]

Interesting that 2 media outlets are taking the Bulls over the Celtics. I would pick a Celtic package every day over the Bulls.

Gibson is better than Sully today, but Gibson is in his prime, and Sully still has a lot of upside. If Sully gets his conditioning in order he is probably better than Gibson as soon as next year. His offense is already superior. If i am building a team, i would take Sullinger.

Then the Celtics have the better draft pick package by a land slide. The 6, 17, and a future Brooklyn pick trumps the 16, 19, and perhaps a future first.

That leaves Butler as Chicago's advantage. If the Celtics include Green, i would take him over Butler. If they include Bass, i dont think Butler is enough to offset the draft pick drop from 6 to 19.

[Smokeeye123]

Love would be dynamite for the Bulls though, he would literally fit their roster perfectly.

Noah locking up the paint, Love stretching the floor, Rose driving to the hoop...(If Rose can still play basketball)

[chambers]

How can the wolves play their cards correctly in this situation?

This Is a question for the contract experts. So the wolves can tell love he cant get the max on his next contract unless he first signs with them

When is the earliest love can do a sign to a max then the wolves can trade him?

  I don't think it's in Minny's best interest to try and keep Love from getting a good payday if he leaves. Good luck trying to bring in good players after you do something like that.

I disasgree. If he is already signed up the wolves can really get overpaid and also love is paid the max. The teams that want to get him also get a relieve he will be on contract. Though they will have to give up a bit more

It would turn out to be a legit bidding war then

They wouldn't trade him if he signed with them though. What you're saying doesn't make any sense because Love has said he will not sign an extension. If he signs an extension he's just their hostage for another 5 seasons lol.
That's why a sign and trade must be executed.

The scenario you're suggesting will not happen. Ever.

[BballTim]

How can the wolves play their cards correctly in this situation?

This Is a question for the contract experts. So the wolves can tell love he cant get the max on his next contract unless he first signs with them

When is the earliest love can do a sign to a max then the wolves can trade him?

  I don't think it's in Minny's best interest to try and keep Love from getting a good payday if he leaves. Good luck trying to bring in good players after you do something like that.

I disasgree. If he is already signed up the wolves can really get overpaid and also love is paid the max. The teams that want to get him also get a relieve he will be on contract. Though they will have to give up a bit more

It would turn out to be a legit bidding war then

  He's already told Minny he's not going to re-sign with them. If he did sign another contract with them (aside from the fact that he might have to wait to do so) he'd be giving up any control whatsoever over where he plays in order to help Minny get a better return for him (while they trade him somewhere he doesn't want to be if they don't keep him). You're really grasping at straws at this point. Do you think players like Dwight or Melo or CP gave any thought to signing a big contract with Orl/Den/No so the team could trade them to a team they didn't want to be on?

[j804]

Lol and this at the end of the article.

Without question, the Celtics have more than enough to pry Love ? at least unless the Bulls have made an incredible offer that exceeds expectations.

So, MacMullan?s report tells me either Chicago is offering too much for Love or Boston has, at least so far, refused to offer enough. But if the Celtics want Love, they probably have the assets to make a strong offer.

They just haven?t yet.

TP, I was just scrolling down the page to post the same. Did anyone actually read the article in full?

The Celtics have the pieces to make a much stronger offer . Better cap relief, better picks. Still young prospects with some promise (although I'm not sure how I feel about Jimmy Butler anymore. Before the season, I would've said he's a stronger prospect than Sullinger. Now, I think they're about evenly matched).

I hate to be a 'this is the way it is and you're wrong' guy, but...

Danny's a negotiator. He never takes back less than he wants for an asset, and never pays more than he feels he should. So what's he doing right now? Probably nothing, scouting prospects, acting chill as a G and pretending it's just another off-season. He's letting other teams set the price, and when it's made, he'll decide if he wants to trump it or not. He probably won't talk to Saunders again for a couple weeks.

What does Danny have to gain by showing his hand now? Minnesota isn't going to trade Love until they're satisfied they're getting the best possible offer for him. All Danny gains by showing his real offer now is potentially escalating an already hot bidding war. He's being Danny. This is still more non-news.

I agree Murph from the Boston Herald who's broke a lot of stuff directly from Danny himself said the C's have yet to put a package together and make an offer. 

[chambers]

Interesting that 2 media outlets are taking the Bulls over the Celtics. I would pick a Celtic package every day over the Bulls.

Gibson is better than Sully today, but Gibson is in his prime, and Sully still has a lot of upside. If Sully gets his conditioning in order he is probably better than Gibson as soon as next year. His offense is already superior. If i am building a team, i would take Sullinger.

Then the Celtics have the better draft pick package by a land slide. The 6, 17, and a future Brooklyn pick trumps the 16, 19, and perhaps a future first.

That leaves Butler as Chicago's advantage. If the Celtics include Green, i would take him over Butler. If they include Bass, i dont think Butler is enough to offset the draft pick drop from 6 to 19.

  *Butler is almost 25 and shoots 28% from three point land. He plays just under 39 minutes a game! and averages 13 points and 5 rebounds. Great defender but that's about it. He's like a poor man's Avery Bradley from the Celtics, who just guards bigger positions than PG/SG.

[Tr1boy]

How can the wolves play their cards correctly in this situation?

This Is a question for the contract experts. So the wolves can tell love he cant get the max on his next contract unless he first signs with them

When is the earliest love can do a sign to a max then the wolves can trade him?

Anyone can clarify?

Why would the Wolves tell him something that isn't correct?

Love can sign a max contract as soon as he's a free agent -- he can opt in to one more year on his current deal, but if the Wolves said something like that (which, honestly, doesn't actually make sense the way its written: can you rephrase what you mean?) he'd just opt out and sign a max with another team.

The Wolves absolutely are not going to sign Love to a max contract and trade him.

How soon can the wolves sign love to a max officially?? 2 months b4 he is a fa or 6 months , this offseason??

Or the earliest is when the 2014-2015 season ends

[D.o.s.]

How can the wolves play their cards correctly in this situation?

This Is a question for the contract experts. So the wolves can tell love he cant get the max on his next contract unless he first signs with them

When is the earliest love can do a sign to a max then the wolves can trade him?

Anyone can clarify?

Why would the Wolves tell him something that isn't correct?

Love can sign a max contract as soon as he's a free agent -- he can opt in to one more year on his current deal, but if the Wolves said something like that (which, honestly, doesn't actually make sense the way its written: can you rephrase what you mean?) he'd just opt out and sign a max with another team.

The Wolves absolutely are not going to sign Love to a max contract and trade him.

How soon can the wolves sign love to a max officially?? 2 months b4 he is a fa or 6 months , this offseason??

Or the earliest is when the 2015 season ends

The Wolves can offer Love a max deal at the end of 2015, if Love opts out of his contract, or at the end of 2016 if he doesn't. There's no guarantee that he'll sign it, though, and there's no way the team can force him to sign: look at the Dwight Howard situation for proof of that.

[Tr1boy]

How can the wolves play their cards correctly in this situation?

This Is a question for the contract experts. So the wolves can tell love he cant get the max on his next contract unless he first signs with them

When is the earliest love can do a sign to a max then the wolves can trade him?

Anyone can clarify?

Why would the Wolves tell him something that isn't correct?

Love can sign a max contract as soon as he's a free agent -- he can opt in to one more year on his current deal, but if the Wolves said something like that (which, honestly, doesn't actually make sense the way its written: can you rephrase what you mean?) he'd just opt out and sign a max with another team.

The Wolves absolutely are not going to sign Love to a max contract and trade him.

How soon can the wolves sign love to a max officially?? 2 months b4 he is a fa or 6 months , this offseason??

Or the earliest is when the 2015 season ends

The Wolves can offer Love a max deal at the end of 2015, if Love opts out of his contract, or at the end of 2016 if he doesn't. There's no guarantee that he'll sign it, though, and there's no way the team can force him to sign: look at the Dwight Howard situation for proof of that.

I get that. Just wanted to clearify

Why didnt dwight sign the max with the lakers then  get traded to the rockets?? Bc the rockets didnt have the assets to workout the trade?

[BballTim]

How can the wolves play their cards correctly in this situation?

This Is a question for the contract experts. So the wolves can tell love he cant get the max on his next contract unless he first signs with them

When is the earliest love can do a sign to a max then the wolves can trade him?

Anyone can clarify?

Why would the Wolves tell him something that isn't correct?

Love can sign a max contract as soon as he's a free agent -- he can opt in to one more year on his current deal, but if the Wolves said something like that (which, honestly, doesn't actually make sense the way its written: can you rephrase what you mean?) he'd just opt out and sign a max with another team.

The Wolves absolutely are not going to sign Love to a max contract and trade him.

How soon can the wolves sign love to a max officially?? 2 months b4 he is a fa or 6 months , this offseason??

Or the earliest is when the 2015 season ends

The Wolves can offer Love a max deal at the end of 2015, if Love opts out of his contract, or at the end of 2016 if he doesn't. There's no guarantee that he'll sign it, though, and there's no way the team can force him to sign: look at the Dwight Howard situation for proof of that.

  There's no chance he'll sign it unless it's a sign and trade. The thought that he'd sign a long term contract in order to allow Minny to trade him to a team he doesn't want to go to is crazy.

[BballTim]

How can the wolves play their cards correctly in this situation?

This Is a question for the contract experts. So the wolves can tell love he cant get the max on his next contract unless he first signs with them

When is the earliest love can do a sign to a max then the wolves can trade him?

Anyone can clarify?

Why would the Wolves tell him something that isn't correct?

Love can sign a max contract as soon as he's a free agent -- he can opt in to one more year on his current deal, but if the Wolves said something like that (which, honestly, doesn't actually make sense the way its written: can you rephrase what you mean?) he'd just opt out and sign a max with another team.

The Wolves absolutely are not going to sign Love to a max contract and trade him.

How soon can the wolves sign love to a max officially?? 2 months b4 he is a fa or 6 months , this offseason??

Or the earliest is when the 2015 season ends

The Wolves can offer Love a max deal at the end of 2015, if Love opts out of his contract, or at the end of 2016 if he doesn't. There's no guarantee that he'll sign it, though, and there's no way the team can force him to sign: look at the Dwight Howard situation for proof of that.

I get that. Just wanted to clearify

Why didnt dwight sign the max with the lakers then  get traded to the rockets?? Bc the rockets didnt have the assets to workout the trade?

  Food for thought, but teams don't get valuable assets in sign and trades.

[D.o.s.]

How soon can the wolves sign love to a max officially?? 2 months b4 he is a fa or 6 months , this offseason??

Or the earliest is when the 2015 season ends

The Wolves can offer Love a max deal at the end of 2015, if Love opts out of his contract, or at the end of 2016 if he doesn't. There's no guarantee that he'll sign it, though, and there's no way the team can force him to sign: look at the Dwight Howard situation for proof of that.

I get that. Just wanted to clearify

Why didnt dwight sign the max with the lakers then  get traded to the rockets?? Bc the rockets didnt have the assets to workout the trade?

If there was any way the Lakers could have forced Dwight to stay with their team, they would've done so. The reason he didn't sign with the Lakers first is because the new CBA makes that a lot less profitable than it would have been in the past. You can thank Carmelo muscling his way out of Denver after signing a max extension for that one.


It seems like you're suggesting the Timberwolves should be treating Love sort of like a restricted free agent, and giving him a massive contract, daring other teams to match the deal that he has to take. The problem with that idea, though, is that Love has already said that he's leaving the team, and Minnesota doesn't have any way of keeping him on their squad if he won't sign a deal with them.

[nacceltic]

There's too much response to this NBC article...it's a rehash of Jackie Mac's article from a couple of days ago...

Let's not forget that Jackie went on WEEI yesterday and said that Minnesota is likely trying to spin the offers their way...She went on to say that she doubts that Chicago has put together the package that she wrote they "could" put together...She also doesn't believe Golden State has put much together nor does she believe that Houston has the pieces as of right now or willing to deal those pieces.

Nothing much at all to see here...Not saying Love is guaranteed in Boston, but 90% of all this is each side trying to gain leverage through the media.  We have NO IDEA what has "officially" been put on the table by any teams.

[Tr1boy]

Sign and trades happen all the time. Love can get max, wolves get teams to outbid each other and the team that gets him has him for the long term

But your stating there is a new rule now that prevents this??

The only way it doesnt work is if the player wants to go to destination X but they dont have the asset, salary to make the trade work(sign max and trade right after)