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Re: NBC Sports-Chicago has a better offer for Love
« Reply #60 on: June 06, 2014, 12:38:38 PM »

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They are just plain stupid if they would rather have the Bulls package of role players and low teen draft picks , and a guy who might not even come over to the NBA , especially if he is going to Minny .

For the moment, let's stipulate that it would be stupid to take the Bulls package.  Can you convince me (or yourself) that Minnesota is not stupid?
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Re: NBC Sports-Chicago has a better offer for Love
« Reply #61 on: June 06, 2014, 12:41:25 PM »

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The Wolves couldn't make the playoffs with Love, what makes you think they can make the playoffs without him?

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« Reply #62 on: June 06, 2014, 12:42:26 PM »

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They are just plain stupid if they would rather have the Bulls package of role players and low teen draft picks , and a guy who might not even come over to the NBA , especially if he is going to Minny .

For the moment, let's stipulate that it would be stupid to take the Bulls package.  Can you convince me (or yourself) that Minnesota is not stupid?

  That's the wild card. Cleveland seems like a "cut off your nose to spite your face" kind of franchise, and Minny's not far behind. Would they take a bad deal out of stubbornness? It's not out of the question.

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« Reply #63 on: June 06, 2014, 12:52:43 PM »

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Flip knows exactly what everybody can offer for Love...to the last decimal point. He knows what Danny has, the Bulls, etc. Assets are not secrets in the NBA.

Flip knows what he wants from everyone to essentially save his job. I'm sure he'd take Rondo and two #1's for Love...I'm sure he also knows Danny would never do that deal, but, in the process, it is a useful ceiling.

Thus, Ainge offers Sullinger and two #1's. Flip knows Danny will eventually give him more and he plays the Bulls card. I am not sure how a vastly inferior first rounder with Gibson and Butler is a haul for Love, but, it looks similar to what Ainge can do.

Clincher in the Bulls discussion.....Kevin Love AND his agent spent the weekend in Boston and covered the town. If they went to this inconvenience just to F with everyone involved in the deal? Fine. This is big business, the player and agent did not do the Boston tour to posture, he is willing to come here and the Celtics have the assets. Love's agent knows exactly what Chicago and Boston have to offer....he calls up his client and Flip and announces we are going to Boston.

In conclusion, Love's agent sees Love's career in Boston. It makes sense to him . He knows what Ainge can do to Build around Love and win his client a couple of titles. I don't know if some sort of deal is done but, I do know this, Love did not go to Chicago and watch a Cubs game.

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« Reply #64 on: June 06, 2014, 12:57:55 PM »

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The Wolves couldn't make the playoffs with Love, what makes you think they can make the playoffs without him?

I don't think that they can make the playoffs without Love.  I think that they might think that they can make the playoffs.  They might even take a sour grapes approach of deciding that Love was a stat-padding guy who was overrated and couldn't make the playoffs, so getting team players who are a better fit around their other talent plus getting lucky in the draft could put them over the top and let them post a winning record next season.

Sure, that strategy probably leads to 20 wins, but teams are quite capable of vastly overestimating themselves.
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« Reply #65 on: June 06, 2014, 01:01:22 PM »

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The Wolves couldn't make the playoffs with Love, what makes you think they can make the playoffs without him?

I don't think that they can make the playoffs without Love.  I think that they might think that they can make the playoffs.  They might even take a sour grapes approach of deciding that Love was a stat-padding guy who was overrated and couldn't make the playoffs, so getting team players who are a better fit around their other talent plus getting lucky in the draft could put them over the top and let them post a winning record next season.

Sure, that strategy probably leads to 20 wins, but teams are quite capable of vastly overestimating themselves.

exactly! and this is the only thing that bothers me as far as getting a deal done with them is - are they gonna be narrow minded or think long term.

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« Reply #66 on: June 06, 2014, 01:08:24 PM »

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They cant make the playoffs with love. They havent in 6 years. Might as well change it up and see what two solid players in gibson and butler can do to help you.

They def wont make the playoffs with the package they get from us.  Likr LC has said, just getting into the playoffs right now 1st round sweep or not would be huge for the team

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« Reply #67 on: June 06, 2014, 01:13:41 PM »

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But how? They lost their best scorer and the west very tough. The eighth seed this year was the Dallas Mavericks and they won 49 games!

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« Reply #68 on: June 06, 2014, 01:16:29 PM »

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Here is what a Bull's beat writer thinks of the Chicago deal that Jackie outlined and the OP's post indirectly references back to:

"The story includes this paragraph: ?The Timberwolves privately maintain they already have fielded better offers from other teams, among them the Chicago Bulls, who can offer draft picks and some combination of Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson along with Carlos Boozer, whose bloated $16.8 million contract expires next summer and represents the kind of cap space rebuilding teams crave. ... This sounds like a Bulls' fantasy scenario. It's doubtful any team craves Boozer's contract. Anyway, it's likely every team in the league has inquired about Love's availability, given the circumstances."

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/7931




That's consistent with I have read in the Wolves and Bulls forums and elsewhere and why a Chicago deal doesn't seem likely given Chicago's management.  They have never paid the tax and the only way to avoid it in a Love transaction is to trade Boozer or amnesty him, which is decidely not their style either.  Whatever the wisdom of the deal from the Bull's on-floor viewpoint is (and there's debate about that too, especially without an extension), Bull's management is notoriously cheap.  There have been rumors of the Bulls pairing Boozer with a pick to move him, but you need a team like BOS or PHI who might consider a salary dump like that.  I think there's a much better chance that the Cs would do a salary dump trade with the Rockets and take on Asik than Boozer, who is on the decline, a PF, and a defensive liability.

The Chicago bit was the piece of Jackie's article that I thought was off.  I do think it's 2/1 against us getting Love because I believe the T-Wolves will go for a veteran player centered package.  That's the weakness of our offer. I look at the T-wolves and think they should step back a step and take a package where they get a young player or two, picks and cap relief.  It's go for the playoffs now and be mired in mediocrity vs try to eventually contend.  However, the T-Wolves owner is in the competency class with Dolan, Gilbet, and Sterling. I'm betting he goes for a package like GSW's if it gets sweeter and especially if a 3rd team will take David Lee. Houston may also put a deal together, though Anthony is their preferred target. I think Melo stays put, however, and then the Rockets will go after Love after ditching Asik and Lin.

We still have decent shot because there's not that much other competition especially since PHX appears unlikely to put Bledsoe in a deal.

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« Reply #69 on: June 06, 2014, 01:17:46 PM »

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But how? They lost their best scorer and the west very tough. The eighth seed this year was the Dallas Mavericks and they won 49 games!

Not that they'll get the same haul, but Denver was able to maintain their success after trading an arguably better player.
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« Reply #70 on: June 06, 2014, 01:19:43 PM »

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They cant make the playoffs with love. They havent in 6 years. Might as well change it up and see what two solid players in gibson and butler can do to help you.

They def wont make the playoffs with the package they get from us.  Likr LC has said, just getting into the playoffs right now 1st round sweep or not would be huge for the team

  Nobody in the league "changes it up" by trading stars for role players to see if that helps. Teams that have stars try and keep them, teams that don't have stars try and get them.

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« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2014, 01:20:01 PM »

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But how? They lost their best scorer and the west very tough. The eighth seed this year was the Dallas Mavericks and they won 49 games!

Not that they'll get the same haul, but Denver was able to maintain their success after trading an arguably better player.

True, but Denver had Ty Lawson and Danilo with them. Potentially the Wolves will get defensive minded role players who are limited scorers.

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« Reply #72 on: June 06, 2014, 01:28:02 PM »

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But how? They lost their best scorer and the west very tough. The eighth seed this year was the Dallas Mavericks and they won 49 games!

Not that they'll get the same haul, but Denver was able to maintain their success after trading an arguably better player.


True, but Denver had Ty Lawson and Danilo with them. Potentially the Wolves will get defensive minded role players who are limited scorers.


They got Gallo in the Carmelo Trade, but they were able to hang on to Lawson. It really depends on the pieces the Wolves get back, the system Flip installs (although, obviously, they won't have Denver's crazy home court advantage).
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« Reply #73 on: June 06, 2014, 01:28:26 PM »

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But how? They lost their best scorer and the west very tough. The eighth seed this year was the Dallas Mavericks and they won 49 games!

Not that they'll get the same haul, but Denver was able to maintain their success after trading an arguably better player.

  Denver was sliding until they got Iggy and now they're nowhere.

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« Reply #74 on: June 06, 2014, 01:33:04 PM »

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But how? They lost their best scorer and the west very tough. The eighth seed this year was the Dallas Mavericks and they won 49 games!

Not that they'll get the same haul, but Denver was able to maintain their success after trading an arguably better player.

  Denver was sliding until they got Iggy and now they're nowhere.

You mean the single season between Carmelo and Iggy, when the nuggets won 37 Games in the lockout season--which rates out to 47, just three down from the 50 games they won the year before?

By your logic, the Celtics were sliding until we traded Pierce and KG, and now we're nowhere. I suspect you'd disagree with that analysis.
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