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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2014, 02:37:41 PM »

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I'm curious as to how many CB posters would be willing to make a trade for Kevin Love, but wouldn't make the exact same trade for DeMarcus Cousins, and if any of them could defend that position.

Interesting.

We know pretty well that Cousins isn't the offensive player that Love is. Love has the outside game, is the better free throw shooter, and has similar numbers in the paint.

Defensively, neither has a good reputation and both have been thought of as outright bad at times.

Both are great rebounders, but Love rebounds more on the offensive and defensive glass.

Cousins is humungous, and humungous players tend to have broad impact that is hard to measure. Unfortunately, the Kings are a terrible team, so it's hard to play that card in Cousins' case.

Cousins has been healthy while Love has had some injuries, so there's some reason to favor Cousins there. It's [dang]ing, though, that the Kings are always terrible, whereas the Wolves have been a pretty good team when Love is healthy and a pretty bad team otherwise.

A year ago I would have said that Cousins is toxic and can't be expected to consistently play hard or set a good example for his teammates. This year, he had this KG-like us-versus-them thing going on, and otherwise he's just been keeping his head down and playing his best basketball. Rumor has it that proprietary defensive metrics even like him on D now.

Take all that into consideration and I think there is a solid case for betting the farm on Love but taking a pass on Cousins. It is interesting, though, for sure.

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2014, 02:38:01 PM »

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No GM can make it work.  That is just the reality.  My point is that we are going to need way more than Asik to be relevant again.  Asik is a good piece, don't get me wrong, but he's just that...a good piece.  Adding Asik wouldn't even come close to making us a contender

Adding a DPOY-caliber center like Asik could make the Celtics a playoff team.  Adding Love on top of that would make the Celtics a contender, or a move away from being one.

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2014, 02:40:55 PM »

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There is no chance that Carmelo Anthony ever wears a Celtic uniform.  On the other hand, I think Love is coming here.  It makes too much sense.  If Rondo's staying, Danny has to rebuild quickly and here's the opportunity. Danny's got a knack for getting deals done - unlike many GM's in this league.

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2014, 02:40:56 PM »

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If you can't make it work (or at least aren't willing to try it) via acquiring a 25 year old all-nba caliber big man you should resign as a GM immediately.

No GM can make it work.  That is just the reality.  My point is that we are going to need way more than Asik to be relevant again.  Asik is a good piece, don't get me wrong, but he's just that...a good piece.  Adding Asik wouldn't even come close to making us a contender
Then any move that doesn't add a TD/LBJ/Durant level of player is a waste.

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2014, 02:41:49 PM »

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Celtics fans blow my mind sometimes. 

I would really like hear the alternatives...YOUR idea...whom YOU would trade and build a team around.  Please, you have the floor, dazzle me.

My personal assessment is that a team with Rondo, Melo, and Love (along with our great coach) is absolutely and positively a contender.
I'd rather have 'Melo at the 4 than Love, especially with someone like Asik at the 5.

Honestly, though, I'd rather hold off on either of them until we see who we have the opportunity to draft.

In a perfect dream scenerio, I would love to have all three with Rondo (it's doable though).  But choosing Asik over Kevin Love is absurd to me.

I prefer adding Asik/Love to adding Asiki/Melo or Love/Melo.

We'd need a scorer (our biggest need beside a center).  A team of Rondo, Asik, and Love is mediocre.

I would bring back Bradley with the expectation that he can add 2-3 ppg.  I'd keep Green as a placeholder while looking for an upgrade who is a good defender and a better three-point shooter.  I prefer Love's three-heavy offense to what Melo provides.

My plan would be to put together a team that can be a top five defense and at least an average offense.  Ideally, I would like Rondo, Asik, and three guys who have the potential to shoot 40% or better on threes.

So your plan is to keep uncle Snooze and keep an injury prone undersized Avery Bradley?  Those are your choices?  That is how you rebuild, huh?  Rondo, Asik, Green, Avery Bradley are contenders...

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If you can't make it work (or at least aren't willing to try it) via acquiring a 25 year old all-nba caliber big man you should resign as a GM immediately.

No GM can make it work.  That is just the reality.  My point is that we are going to need way more than Asik to be relevant again.  Asik is a good piece, don't get me wrong, but he's just that...a good piece.  Adding Asik wouldn't even come close to making us a contender

My feelings, pretty much. Only hope would be to magically keep the pick and get Wiggins or Exum and then pray they blossom and breakout within 2 years.

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2014, 02:47:02 PM »

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I'm curious as to how many CB posters would be willing to make a trade for Kevin Love, but wouldn't make the exact same trade for DeMarcus Cousins, and if any of them could defend that position.

My preference is for a big man who is either a rim protector or an efficient floor spreader.  I want one of each on the floor.  (Those who can do both at an elite level are rare.)  Love clearly does one of those.  Arguably, Cousins does neither.  So, I find Love a more attractive proposition than Cousins and would be willing to give up more to get him.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2014, 02:47:45 PM »

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I look at the draft 5-6 years back. Everyone was going on and on about getting top to picks. While Durant turned into an MVP, Oden never panned out. I know he's been injured, but my point is, you can never be sure how they will do as a pro.
Love is a proven all-star. So I guess it depends on if you're a gambler. Personally I would rather have a player who is 25 and has shown he can score and rebound.
The other issue is what you have to give up to get him. I've seen stuff like Green, Sully, Oly, 1st pick this year, and clippers next. If that's the case, I think I'd gamble on the draft.


Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2014, 02:52:33 PM »

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I wouldn't worry about it,  this trade isn't going to happen.

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2014, 02:55:03 PM »

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Yes, you are.

But really, if we stay in our #5 spot, people want to keep it and draft a player instead of add a 25 year old PF averaging 25/12 and can shoot the 3? Really?
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2014, 02:58:02 PM »

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I wouldn't worry about it,  this trade isn't going to happen.
Probably not.

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2014, 03:02:09 PM »

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I'm curious as to how many CB posters would be willing to make a trade for Kevin Love, but wouldn't make the exact same trade for DeMarcus Cousins, and if any of them could defend that position.

Uh i'd trade a lot for Cousins, Cousins plays Center and is a legit 7ft...kid is going to be the best center in the league if not next year, the year after. He has a lot of defensive potential too, Love's defensive potential is limited due to his athleticism.

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2014, 03:05:02 PM »

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I wouldn't worry about it,  this trade isn't going to happen.
Probably not.

Can't disagree more

What teams that Love would be willing to resign with has a better package to offer than Boston?

Bulls= Gibson, Butler , Metrioc ( or however you spell it )
GSW = Barnes, Thompson
LA = top 8 pick ?
Hou= Asik, Parsons, Lin


Boston can trump all those by offering Sully, top 6 pick , 2 more 1st rd picks

Sully still on  a rookie contract for a few more years and a bunch of other picks that will be on rookie contracts .

With the other trades you are going to have to invest long term money soon to resign those players .

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2014, 03:09:40 PM »

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There is no chance that Carmelo Anthony ever wears a Celtic uniform.  On the other hand, I think Love is coming here.  It makes too much sense.  If Rondo's staying, Danny has to rebuild quickly and here's the opportunity. Danny's got a knack for getting deals done - unlike many GM's in this league.

Love isn't coming here without another superstar...ahem...Melo. Everyone talks about a "go to scorer" and guys there are only a few of them in the league, let alone fewer available. Melo is OBVIOUSLY not leaving NYC, and he should available. If there any other "go to scorers" that are available please point them out because i do not see any.

I also see a Rondo/Love team being a 6th seed in the playoffs and never winning a championship without a 3rd star....ahem....Melo.

Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2014, 03:10:52 PM »

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I wouldn't worry about it,  this trade isn't going to happen.
Probably not.

Can't disagree more

What teams that Love would be willing to resign with has a better package to offer than Boston?

Bulls= Gibson, Butler , Metrioc ( or however you spell it )
GSW = Barnes, Thompson
LA = top 8 pick ?
Hou= Asik, Parsons, Lin


Boston can trump all those by offering Sully, top 6 pick , 2 more 1st rd picks

Sully still on  a rookie contract for a few more years and a bunch of other picks that will be on rookie contracts .

With the other trades you are going to have to invest long term money soon to resign those players .

Boston can trump those. The question is whether Boston should.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't want Love?
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2014, 03:11:44 PM »

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I'm curious as to how many CB posters would be willing to make a trade for Kevin Love, but wouldn't make the exact same trade for DeMarcus Cousins, and if any of them could defend that position.

Uh i'd trade a lot for Cousins, Cousins plays Center and is a legit 7ft...kid is going to be the best center in the league if not next year, the year after. He has a lot of defensive potential too, Love's defensive potential is limited due to his athleticism.
Cousins grew 1.25 inches? Sweet!

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