Trade for Love ideas (merged)

[D.o.s.]

Yeah it really depends on whether Love is willing to pull a Rondo/Melo and say "I'm not signing an extension with that team" publicly enough that the other team finds out about it.

[Fafnir]

If the Lakers were to win the lottery, for example, they could make a better offer around the pick and the expiring contract of Pau Gasol.

Pau Gasol is an upcoming free agent, he cannot be traded.

But does it matter? Kevin Love is going to chose his team. The Wolves won't get to chose it for him. He's a calculating dude; I think in the end he'll go where he wants and Minnesota have to take what they are given. If he wants to go to LA or Chicago, he will go there and no pick higher than #4 will change hands. Minnesota should hope that he picks Chicago.

No he won't, he has veto power if teams won't trade for him knowing he will be a FA with his opt out. But having veto power is very different than being able to choose the team he's traded to.

Both Love and the Timberwolves can veto any trade, a trade has to satisfy both parties as well as the team receiving Love's rights. If they're offered junky deals they'll take it past the draft to the trade deadline.

[pearljammer10]

I'd take the Warriors or the Bulls deal

Same here.  I'd probably rank them:

1.  Warriors
2.  Bulls
3.  Rockets
4. Celtics
5. Suns
NA.  Lakers -- this is an illegal deal, as LA can't deal its 2016 #1

I'm not sure about the Celtics vs. Suns, if only because the Wallace contract is that bad.  If you substitute the non-guaranteed contract of Bogans and the expiring contract of Bass, it looks a lot better for the Celts.

I agree, but I think that you have listed the best offer for teams 1-3, and you have not done so for the Celtics or the Lakers. If the Lakers were to win the lottery, for example, they could make a better offer around the pick and the expiring contract of Pau Gasol. The Celtics, likewise, could make an offer that doesn't carry Wallace. Depending on the draft lottery, either team may be able to make the godfather offer.

But does it matter? Kevin Love is going to chose his team. The Wolves won't get to chose it for him. He's a calculating dude; I think in the end he'll go where he wants and Minnesota have to take what they are given. If he wants to go to LA or Chicago, he will go there and no pick higher than #4 will change hands. Minnesota should hope that he picks Chicago.

Yeah I think alot of the final trade decision will be based on if Love will sign an extension with whatever team he is traded to. Teams aren't going to give away two or three firsts or two or three of their best prospects for a one year rental.

Based on those trade scenarios, Love would probably want the Bulls. Alongside playing with a healthy Rose would be appealing but even more so, he would pair himself with Noah and not have to worry so much about his defensive deficiencies. Really, Noah would be one of the perfect centers (if not the perfect center) to pair with Love since he won't demand the ball as much as a guy like Howard. However I don't think the Bulls offer the best trade package because they don't have the high lotto pick. The Celtics are in pretty good position since they have the amount of picks teams would want in sending out their superstar.

[Who]

Why is the Bulls offer so attractive?

A pair of role player forwards and a few middling first round picks. I don't see it.

[jambr380]

It seems like we are giving up an awful lot of picks to bring in all three players - 5 firsts? For Asik and Martin, I would think we might be able to get away with just accepting those players and their contracts. Trading for Kevin Love should cost us no more than 2 picks with our lottery pick (1 if we get top 3) or 3 picks if that is not included.

Throwing in Gerald Wallace doesn't make much sense. Why are we trading a first when we are already giving up so many just to trade a guy who will only have one more year on his contract after this next one begins? We will be a veteran, playoff contending team - there would be no reason to trade him just for the sake of dumping of him. As for Green, he absolutely needs to be on this roster moving forward, barring a trade for Carmelo.

The overall idea seems reasonable and I get that Sullinger is probably viewed more like a Gerald Green type prospect than Big Al (in 2007), but I would to not give away 5-6 picks.

[Moranis]

The other problem with a lot of those trades is you can't trade a signed player with other players and that can't happen till long after the draft.  Thus, the Wolves would be getting whomever that other team drafted rather than picking who they want to draft.

I imagine that the Wolves and the team receiving Kevin Love would have worked out who to take in those scenarios.

That is a draft day trade, what they can't do is get Bledsoe to sign a new contract and agree to be traded to Minnesota on the day of the draft. 

[Fafnir]

Why is the Bulls offer so attractive?

A pair of role player forwards and a few middling first round picks. I don't see it.

Yeah I was just looking at that, I don't see what's attractive about the Bulls offer, at the very least Mirotic's rights would have to be included. That's the Bulls most attractive asset outside of Noah.

[Fafnir]

The other problem with a lot of those trades is you can't trade a signed player with other players and that can't happen till long after the draft.  Thus, the Wolves would be getting whomever that other team drafted rather than picking who they want to draft.

I imagine that the Wolves and the team receiving Kevin Love would have worked out who to take in those scenarios.

That is a draft day trade, what they can't do is get Bledsoe to sign a new contract and agree to be traded to Minnesota on the day of the draft.

Right which is the first part of you statement which I wasn't even addressing. You can't get around not being able to sign and trade until after the new league year. You can get around the "who" should be taken with a given pick.

[Who]

I think the Lakers or Celtics take the lead if either team gets a top 3 pick in this year's draft.

For now, I would say Golden State have the lead. Two supplementary stars (Klay, Lee) and a young role player with some upside at SF.

That said, I think Boston could top that offer by including one of the far off Brooklyn Nets picks instead of the 2016 first rounder. Give Minnesota a better opportunity to bottom out and rebuild. More valuable long term assets in Sully, 2014 high lottery pick and a future first rounder which could become quite valuable. Better flexibility and long term vision for rebuilding team.

Golden State's offer is more win-now with limited room for improvement. David Lee is on a huge contract. Klay Thompson is due a major payday (probably a max contract) in 12 months time. Throw in Pekovic's contract. Then probable contract extensions for Rubio and H.Barnes. That is your cap space gone. For what? A 45 win team that finishes 9th in the West year after year. The return is decent but it doesn't set them up for sustainable growth + future title contention down the road. Boston's can beat that. Less short term gain, more long term possibilities. Sort of like Orlando picking Vucevic + Afflalo + picks for Dwight over quasi-stars (Bynum, Iggy).

[Moranis]

The other problem with a lot of those trades is you can't trade a signed player with other players and that can't happen till long after the draft.  Thus, the Wolves would be getting whomever that other team drafted rather than picking who they want to draft.

I imagine that the Wolves and the team receiving Kevin Love would have worked out who to take in those scenarios.

That is a draft day trade, what they can't do is get Bledsoe to sign a new contract and agree to be traded to Minnesota on the day of the draft.

Right which is the first part of you statement which I wasn't even addressing. You can't get around not being able to sign and trade until after the new league year. You can get around the "who" should be taken with a given pick.

but three of those trades are premised on sign and trades, which is why I mentioned it.  And as I indicated there are two problems with the sign and trades, you can't trade multiple players with a sign and traded player and you can't do those until long after the draft which means Minnesota is stuck with whomever that other team drafted.  Not sure why you commented on post since you didn't address the issue of the post.

[Fafnir]

The other problem with a lot of those trades is you can't trade a signed player with other players and that can't happen till long after the draft.  Thus, the Wolves would be getting whomever that other team drafted rather than picking who they want to draft.

I imagine that the Wolves and the team receiving Kevin Love would have worked out who to take in those scenarios.

That is a draft day trade, what they can't do is get Bledsoe to sign a new contract and agree to be traded to Minnesota on the day of the draft.

Right which is the first part of you statement which I wasn't even addressing. You can't get around not being able to sign and trade until after the new league year. You can get around the "who" should be taken with a given pick.

but three of those trades are premised on sign and trades, which is why I mentioned it.  And as I indicated there are two problems with the sign and trades, you can't trade multiple players with a sign and traded player and you can't do those until long after the draft which means Minnesota is stuck with whomever that other team drafted.  Not sure why you commented on post since you didn't address the issue of the post.

I was responding to one portion of your post, which wasn't a valid hurdle (team's agree who to draft by proxy all the time even if the deal's get delayed due to CBA issues).

I'm not sure why you think the issues aren't separable, they clearly are.

[CoachBo]

Not a realistic comparison.

Boston can make - and should make - a significantly better offer than that.

[D.o.s.]

Not a realistic comparison.

Boston can make - and should make - a significantly better offer than that.

Like what? Rondo, Our 1st, Clippers 1st, Brooklyn 1st, Sullinger/Oly etc.?

I'll pass on that, but I'm curious as to what you'd consider a significantly better offer.

[Fafnir]

Not a realistic comparison.

Boston can make - and should make - a significantly better offer than that.

Like what? Rondo, Our 1st, Clippers 1st, Brooklyn 1st, Sullinger/Oly etc.?

I'll pass on that, but I'm curious as to what you'd consider a significantly better offer.

Just removing Wallace improves the C's offer a lot, then throwing additional picks can always be done.

In the end if we move up or down in the lottery determines our "offers" value to a huge degree.

[D.o.s.]

Rondo's not signing an extension, though, and his trade value plummets because of it. Just like Love.


So what happens then?