Simmon's Love and Melo to the Celtics Scenario

[ReadyFor17]

This core would not be a contender without a historically good defensive big (an at-his-peak Tyson Chandler at least). Not just a good one-on-one Perkins-type but an elite help defender who covers up a lot of mistakes, laziness, and whatnot.

Great wing defender too, but those are easier and cheaper to come by when vets are looking for a place to play.

If I'm blowing the stockpile to put a big three together I don't want guys who would still require the addition of significant pieces before the team can be a viable championship contender. This is all pretty unlikely anyway without unloading a bunch of money.

[AidaCelt]

High seed in the East? likely

Championship team (or the makings of)? Not unless you add some serious defense at C and SG. If we were to somehow end up with KLove, I want no part of Melo. Not for the $$ he'd be asking for.

Would I complain if this was to happen? No, because the C's would at least be contenders again. I just don't see how a SF and PF with little defensive talents or defensive effort translate to a title.

[Casperian]

I wanted to write a long, well-thought out response, but there´s vomit all over my keyboard.

[chambers]

He is such a homer; I wonder what his handle is on this site

He definitely pinches ideas from here and real GM. I like that though because it means someone in the front office of each team will hear the idea.

[sofutomygaha]

He is such a homer; I wonder what his handle is on this site

He definitely pinches ideas from here and real GM. I like that though because it means someone in the front office of each team will hear the idea.

If this were reddit, someone would figure it out. Someone with some free time on their hands could look into things like this

- Peak posting times ought to be PST, but ought to have been EST before he went to LA...
- frequency probably spikes up when he publishes new articles...
- maybe an occasional visitor to the game threads but never on broadcast nights...
- average post length is overly long...
- probably active in the first years (06-07, right?)
- defends boogie cousins
- worships daryl morey
- prone to eighties movies references and pop culture analogies

[pearljammer10]

This is the type of double move I expect Danny to make. And whether people like it or not we become contenders because of it.

[Chris]

This is the type of double move I expect Danny to make. And whether people like it or not we become contenders because of it.

Yeah, I think moves like this will be at the top of his list of options.  This particularly seems unlikely, but I think Danny will be trying hard to get at least 1 elite player and 1 other top 50 or so player in the next 18 months. 

[gpap]

This is the type of double move I expect Danny to make. And whether people like it or not we become contenders because of it.

Sure hope so. Sometimes I also wonder if having a fresh face as a coach like BS instead of the same ol' tired voice of the likes of Popovich, D'Antoni and guys like that maybe helps attract a player to Boston. Doubtful but a thought that crossed my head.

[ChiefDK]

Simmons is clueless. The Cs would have to give up Sullinger, a known commodity with upside, to get the deal done. A Melo-Love-Rondo tandem wouldn't work in my opinion..they would have to get someone like Asik to man the middle, and they probably wouldn't be able to keep all those guys under the cap.

I see them doing a couple of huge blockbusters involving Sullinger, Olynyk, Rondo and most of their draft picks to get Love and another star (Kyrie Irving?), and signing 2 lesser stars (with an emphasis on defense).

Problem is a lot of teams probably have the same idea.



 

[Fafnir]

Why would we care about giving up Sullinger to get Love? Even the most wildly optimistic projection of Sullinger is to get to Love's level. You absolutely trade that potential for the real thing right now.

If Sullinger really is that good you're paying him in just 2 seasons anyway and you risk him not even being that good. Love is already at that level.

This is moaning about how Big Al was too much to give up for KG.

[kozlodoev]

Let me say this again, in case you missed it last time. NO. MELO. Kthxbye.

[gpap]

Simmons is clueless. The Cs would have to give up Sullinger, a known commodity with upside, to get the deal done. A Melo-Love-Rondo tandem wouldn't work in my opinion..they would have to get someone like Asik to man the middle, and they probably wouldn't be able to keep all those guys under the cap.

I see them doing a couple of huge blockbusters involving Sullinger, Olynyk, Rondo and most of their draft picks to get Love and another star (Kyrie Irving?), and signing 2 lesser stars (with an emphasis on defense).

Problem is a lot of teams probably have the same idea.

I think Kyrie and Love would be awesome together!

[Chris]

Why would we care about giving up Sullinger to get Love? Even the most wildly optimistic projection of Sullinger is to get to Love's level. You absolutely trade that potential for the real thing right now.

If Sullinger really is that good you're paying him in just 2 seasons anyway and you risk him not even being that good. Love is already at that level.

This is moaning about how Big Al was too much to give up for KG.

Right, its a no brainer that Sully would be in the deal for Love.  They wouldn't play well together anyways.  I think Simmons made a mistake to not include Sully as a part of his trade scenario, because I think he would almost have to be.  Sully would allow Minnesota to fill Love's spot immediately with a cheaper option who does some of the same things, just not as well.  It would be important for selling it to their fans.

The thing is, I think a deal of Sully/Green/Bogans and a first rounder or two would be a great deal for Minnesota, and they could even get better immediately because of it.  Green and Sully would just be a very good fit for what they need and have been missing, and then they get a pick or two to try to supplement and build for the future. 

I have even convinced myself that the C's could possibly make the deal without including their own lottery pick this year.

[gpap]

Let me say this again, in case you missed it last time. NO. MELO. Kthxbye.

Why not?

I mean I highly doubt Melo ever ends up in green, but why would you not want him on the Celtics?

He's an offensive all-star.

[Fafnir]

I have even convinced myself that the C's could possibly make the deal without including their own lottery pick this year.

Probably not, because this is one of those situations where the team giving up the all-star will want to get the "best" assets you have. I believe the original KG deal still had Big Al and the number 5 pick we eventually traded for Allen in it.

We essentially paid a lesser price later for KG simply because we couldn't send anything else (except Rondo who we smartly kept)

If we have a lottery pick this year, any deal for Love starts with that pick + Sullinger.