The Sacramento Kings are finalizing a buyout with Jimmer Fredette

[cltc5]

Danny liked him do it

[jaketwice]

Freddette would fill the Eddie House role on a good team but I really think he is really pretty useless on a bad team. He needs a very defined role and the right players around him for him to be a great 3rd-4th option on offense(not as a starter, just whenever he is on the floor) for a team where he can get wide open for his shot.

On a bad team, I think he would just add to the confusion and poor play that is already happening there.

TP.

I completely agree with this. There are a handful of contenders that could use him: Dallas comes to mind, as does Memphis (badly in need of outside scoring) the New York Knicks, the Heat, obviously (although he would ruin their defense, so perhaps not) and Toronto.

I also agree with posters suggesting that Utah, with its high population of Mormons, would be glad to have him. But I think it would be a stupid waste of money to put him on another rebuilding team. Celtics brass, take note!

[nickagneta]

good lord.  will the fascination for Adam Morrison 2.0 never end?  kid had a great college career that isn't translating to the pro game.  just move on.

he's on his rookie deal and being bought out.  he couldn't be traded for a hill of beans.  he has an exremely limited skill set that requires better players on the floor with him to utilize that skillset.  that ought to be a clue that this kid isn't going to worth even the vet min to look at him.

Lots of good points here. I wonder what the average length of future career is for any player playing on a 1st round rookie deal that gets bought out of that contract or doesn't make it to restricted free agency because the team didn't renew the contract after the 2nd or 3rd year? My guess is that this being bought out means he probably is out of the league in a year or tops two years.

[Chris]

good lord.  will the fascination for Adam Morrison 2.0 never end?  kid had a great college career that isn't translating to the pro game.  just move on.

He is shooting 50% from 3.  He possesses an elite NBA skill, which sets him apart from Morrison. 

[saltlover]

good lord.  will the fascination for Adam Morrison 2.0 never end?  kid had a great college career that isn't translating to the pro game.  just move on.

he's on his rookie deal and being bought out.  he couldn't be traded for a hill of beans.  he has an exremely limited skill set that requires better players on the floor with him to utilize that skillset.  that ought to be a clue that this kid isn't going to worth even the vet min to look at him.

I don't think Fredette is amazing.  That said, there's a gap between amazing and NBA wash-out, or even amazing and NBA fringe player.  Fredette was making almost three times the minimum salary this year -- that's not cheap, and more than most teams can afford for someone like him, when you have established veterans willing to take the minimum or the BAE or even the taxpayer MLE to fill that role with a little more certainty.  His year 4 option was for $3.1 million, which is why Sacramento rightly didn't pick him up.

Once Sacramento decided not to pick up his option, again, this was the correct decision, they had less incentive to play him, since he probably wasn't going to re-sign next season.  So for various reasons, partly due to his own level of play, he didn't get much run on the floor.

However, for the minimum he could be a bargain, and for $1.5-$2 million a season, a decent role player off the bench.  Will the lack Jimmer Fredette cost us the next chance of a title if we don't get him?  Certainly not.  But signing Jimmer to a 4 year, $6 million contract is a lot better decision than signing Jason Terry to the mid-level for three years, even if it's just because the downside is lower.  And it's those role players we need to do a better job of compensating appropriately -- rather than paying Brandon Bass $19 million over three years, or Terry $16 million over three, or Courtney Lee $21 million over four, find the Danny Greens of the world for $12 million over three.  This saves room to add a big free agent, and let's you have the depth that title contenders need.

Sign me up as being in favor of signing Jimmer to multi-year deal that pays $1.5 million base this year (prorated for the number of days left), and $1.5-1.7 million, as allowed by yearly raises, for the next 2-3 seasons.

[kozlodoev]

good lord.  will the fascination for Adam Morrison 2.0 never end?  kid had a great college career that isn't translating to the pro game.  just move on.

He is shooting 50% from 3.  He possesses an elite NBA skill, which sets him apart from Morrison.

Good, so he'll be Eddie House and not Adam Morrisson. Still hardly something to be extatic about.

[D.o.s.]

Freddette would fill the Eddie House role on a good team but I really think he is really pretty useless on a bad team. He needs a very defined role and the right players around him for him to be a great 3rd-4th option on offense(not as a starter, just whenever he is on the floor) for a team where he can get wide open for his shot.

On a bad team, I think he would just add to the confusion and poor play that is already happening there.

TP.

I completely agree with this. There are a handful of contenders that could use him: Dallas comes to mind, as does Memphis (badly in need of outside scoring) the New York Knicks, the Heat, obviously (although he would ruin their defense, so perhaps not) and Toronto.

I also agree with posters suggesting that Utah, with its high population of Mormons, would be glad to have him. But I think it would be a stupid waste of money to put him on another rebuilding team. Celtics brass, take note!

I didn't even think about Memphis. That would be pretty perfect.

[Boris Badenov]

I don't care much about Fredette per se, but to me the buyout makes the fact that we didn't move Bass, Hump, et al. much more easy to explain.

Presumably SAC tried to unload Fredette by the deadline, but couldn't, and he is a more movable piece than any of those guys. There are so many "sellers" right now, and very few teams who will take on salary.

I think we've entered phase 2 of the NBA's "moneyball" evolution. We used to have a few GMs outsmarting everyone by understanding the value of flexibility and avoiding long-term commitments, and by finding value in new ways...now I think that most GMs are doing the same thing and there are only a few laggards.

If Danny manages to pull off another rebuild-to-contention in this environment, he will be in the running as one of the best GMs ever, IMO.

[saltlover]

I don't care much about Fredette per se, but to me the buyout makes the fact that we didn't move Bass, Hump, et al. much more easy to explain.

Presumably SAC tried to unload Fredette by the deadline, but couldn't, and he is a more movable piece than any of those guys. There are so many "sellers" right now, and very few teams who will take on salary.

I think we've entered phase 2 of the NBA's "moneyball" evolution. We used to have a few GMs outsmarting everyone by understanding the value of flexibility and avoiding long-term commitments, and by finding value in new ways...now I think that most GMs are doing the same thing and there are only a few laggards.

If Danny manages to pull off another rebuild-to-contention in this environment, he will be in the running as one of the best GMs ever, IMO.

The new way might be to swing the other direction.  If teams are willing to pay a high price for their own flexibility, long-term value may be gained for short-term flexibility.  I really wanted Danny to take back salary next year for Bass, Green, and Hump, to get the better assets that come along with that.  Right now we don't have much flexibility next year anyway -- might as well have conceded that fact and gotten other teams to pay the premium on cap space.

[csfansince60s]

Freddette would fill the Eddie House role on a good team but I really think he is really pretty useless on a bad team. He needs a very defined role and the right players around him for him to be a great 3rd-4th option on offense(not as a starter, just whenever he is on the floor) for a team where he can get wide open for his shot.

On a bad team, I think he would just add to the confusion and poor play that is already happening there.

Nick, I buy your reasoning. Bad fit on a bad team, good fit on a good team.

Given that we're a bad team now, in tankland (Kinda like Bizarro world) that would be good for us because he would be a bad fit now.

Jimmer turned 25 today. Happy Birthday, Jimmer and congratulations on escaping that rudderless hot mess that is Sacramento.

Also, given his age, he will be useful to us as a good team in 2-3 years.

So ironically he is a good fit for us now because we're bad and jockeying for a high pick, and his lack of fit will help us to that end. And he (as the same player with the same skillset as Eddie House)will be good for us when we're better whe nhe would have the opportunity to have:

a very defined role and the right players around him for him to be a great 3rd-4th option on offense(not as a starter, just whenever he is on the floor) for a team where he can get wide open for his shot.

As Saltover so succinctly said (and worthy of a TP as is nick for his usual insightful analysis):

It's really a win-win for us to sign him.

[More Banners]

I don't care much about Fredette per se, but to me the buyout makes the fact that we didn't move Bass, Hump, et al. much more easy to explain.

Presumably SAC tried to unload Fredette by the deadline, but couldn't, and he is a more movable piece than any of those guys. There are so many "sellers" right now, and very few teams who will take on salary.

I think we've entered phase 2 of the NBA's "moneyball" evolution. We used to have a few GMs outsmarting everyone by understanding the value of flexibility and avoiding long-term commitments, and by finding value in new ways...now I think that most GMs are doing the same thing and there are only a few laggards.

If Danny manages to pull off another rebuild-to-contention in this environment, he will be in the running as one of the best GMs ever, IMO.

Really, there are simply too few teams competing, and thus few teams willing to take on salary since they have no reason for it.

Losing should at least be cheap.

[Boris Badenov]

I don't care much about Fredette per se, but to me the buyout makes the fact that we didn't move Bass, Hump, et al. much more easy to explain.

Presumably SAC tried to unload Fredette by the deadline, but couldn't, and he is a more movable piece than any of those guys. There are so many "sellers" right now, and very few teams who will take on salary.

I think we've entered phase 2 of the NBA's "moneyball" evolution. We used to have a few GMs outsmarting everyone by understanding the value of flexibility and avoiding long-term commitments, and by finding value in new ways...now I think that most GMs are doing the same thing and there are only a few laggards.

If Danny manages to pull off another rebuild-to-contention in this environment, he will be in the running as one of the best GMs ever, IMO.

The new way might be to swing the other direction.  If teams are willing to pay a high price for their own flexibility, long-term value may be gained for short-term flexibility.  I really wanted Danny to take back salary next year for Bass, Green, and Hump, to get the better assets that come along with that.  Right now we don't have much flexibility next year anyway -- might as well have conceded that fact and gotten other teams to pay the premium on cap space.

Yeah, there's something to be said for that line of thinking, I agree.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us do that starting this summer. Danny may have held off at the deadline this year because picking up talent would have improved our record too much.

One tack might even be getting that high pick and then moving it on draft day for someone like Carmelo...then moving the rest of our picks for another #1A piece.

[lightspeed5]

Can we claim him off waivers or is salary too much

[KG_ended_Bias]

Jimmer Freddette is a ÑBA player! I saw with my own eyes him lighting up MSG hitting 6 3's  & having to be double from time to time so I would say non NBA caliber players would never have to be doubled or have to be covered soon as he crosses half court. Lol some of you guys baffle me honestly & the same guys saying Jimmer is no NBA player are the same guys who was saying Gerald Green would never be anything & could never play in this league. Sometimes players just doesn't workout in certain cities under certain coaches/organizations because the schemes don't fit the player or the atmosphere & players around the player doesn't fit cohesively. It doesn't always mean they are horrible & should be banished from the league! And the Jimmer is Eddie House 2.0 is a harsh evaluation. Eddie House couldn't bring the ball up the court if pressured, 1 of the worst dribblers playing PG I've ever seen. From my account of seeing Jimmer play a lot he is a very crafty ball handler & he's capable of setting up his own shot with screens set from himself which Eddie couldn't do. Lastly Rondo is the perfect pass 1st PG we would need to team with Jimmer & the penetrate & kick would being Jimmer open shots for a great shooter. Idk if you guys watched the Kings much but if you have you'll understand Jimmer had no fit there amongst the gunners Sacramento possesses! Isaiah Thomas, Rudy Gay, Cousins & Thornton before he was traded never saw a shot they didn't like. Not enough balls to go around & he was not a great fit there.

[MBunge]

he couldn't be traded for a hill of beans.

I don't think that means much.  Teams, except Brooklyn, are clearly paranoid and near hysterical about the tax penalties in the current CBA.  It's going to take a few years before GMs and owners get comfortable with the new rules.

Mike