The Sacramento Kings are finalizing a buyout with Jimmer Fredette

[kozlodoev]

I'm almost certain we've got enough room under the lux tax to do that.

I'm almost certain we don't. We did before we signed Johnson. But I may be wrong.

[LooseCannon]

Sometimes players just doesn't workout in certain cities under certain coaches/organizations because the schemes don't fit the player or the atmosphere & players around the player doesn't fit cohesively.

I'd say Jimmer Fredette is a bad fit for Boston under Brad Stevens because of his defensive deficiencies.  MarShon Brooks didn't play much for the Celtics.  I don't think the Celtics will be acquiring scorers who can't defend.

MarShon Brooks didn't play because he wasn't in the future plans, and he had no real trade value around the league.  If Jimmer is brought in, I'd assume the Celtics at least have the option to bring him back next year, if it isn't guaranteed in the contract.  Once you know a guy may or will be around, it makes a lot more sense to play him despite his deficiencies.

MarShon Brooks and Jimmer Fredette are both the type of player who shouldn't be in the team's future plans.

Convince me that Fredette can be a better defender than Eddie House and I might change my mind about him.

Who cares if he's a better defender?  We're 26th in Offensive Rating this year and 28th in 3-point shooting.  Our defense is 15th -- while that's not championship defense, it's not what's holding us back.

You can't build a team around 15 complete players -- those players cost too much money.  You need some cheap specialists who compliment each other to go around 2-3 expensive, complete players.  If you can get a specialist like Jimmer, who's bordering on elite when it comes to perimeter scoring, for a bargain that doesn't cost you anything other than an already empty roster spot and the money you have left under the luxury tax line, you do it, and you try to lock him up for a few years.  At some point in the next 3-4 seasons, the Celtics will hopefully be back in contention, and then they'll be scrambling around to get a backcourt scorer, costing themselves a couple of 2nd round picks.  Might as well take care of the problem now and save the picks for some other need (probably the always needed veteran post presence).

If we don't get him, we don't get him, and life moves on.  But I think the Celtics, at least the current version, would be better off with him than without.  He can have Bayless' minutes, please and thank you.

Jimmer won't save the offense.  A modern NBA defense is often only as good as its weakest link.  His defense is bad enough that if he were a Celtic, he probably shouldn't see playing time until his defense improves.

It seems kind of pointless to invest that much effort in a guy whose upside is probably the 9th or 10th man on a contender.

[saltlover]

I'm almost certain we've got enough room under the lux tax to do that.

I'm almost certain we don't. We did before we signed Johnson. But I may be wrong.

You're wrong.  As mentioned in the beginning of the the thread, we've got $700-$800 K room.  That's double the pro-rated minimum.

[saltlover]

Sometimes players just doesn't workout in certain cities under certain coaches/organizations because the schemes don't fit the player or the atmosphere & players around the player doesn't fit cohesively.

I'd say Jimmer Fredette is a bad fit for Boston under Brad Stevens because of his defensive deficiencies.  MarShon Brooks didn't play much for the Celtics.  I don't think the Celtics will be acquiring scorers who can't defend.

MarShon Brooks didn't play because he wasn't in the future plans, and he had no real trade value around the league.  If Jimmer is brought in, I'd assume the Celtics at least have the option to bring him back next year, if it isn't guaranteed in the contract.  Once you know a guy may or will be around, it makes a lot more sense to play him despite his deficiencies.

MarShon Brooks and Jimmer Fredette are both the type of player who shouldn't be in the team's future plans.

Convince me that Fredette can be a better defender than Eddie House and I might change my mind about him.

Who cares if he's a better defender?  We're 26th in Offensive Rating this year and 28th in 3-point shooting.  Our defense is 15th -- while that's not championship defense, it's not what's holding us back.

You can't build a team around 15 complete players -- those players cost too much money.  You need some cheap specialists who compliment each other to go around 2-3 expensive, complete players.  If you can get a specialist like Jimmer, who's bordering on elite when it comes to perimeter scoring, for a bargain that doesn't cost you anything other than an already empty roster spot and the money you have left under the luxury tax line, you do it, and you try to lock him up for a few years.  At some point in the next 3-4 seasons, the Celtics will hopefully be back in contention, and then they'll be scrambling around to get a backcourt scorer, costing themselves a couple of 2nd round picks.  Might as well take care of the problem now and save the picks for some other need (probably the always needed veteran post presence).

If we don't get him, we don't get him, and life moves on.  But I think the Celtics, at least the current version, would be better off with him than without.  He can have Bayless' minutes, please and thank you.

Jimmer won't save the offense.  A modern NBA defense is often only as good as its weakest link.  His defense is bad enough that if he were a Celtic, he probably shouldn't see playing time until his defense improves.

It seems kind of pointless to invest that much effort in a guy whose upside is probably the 9th or 10th man on a contender.

And yet we're both doing it.

Hi, I'm Saltlover, and I'm a Celtics addict.

[D.o.s.]

It seems kind of pointless to invest that much effort in a guy whose upside is probably the 9th or 10th man on a contender.

I'm going to assume that you don't apply that same logic to Avery Bradley?


Kidding.

[Tr1boy]

Jimmer have fun in europe or china

[dysgenic]

He's listed at 6'2 but I don't remember him being that tall.  More like 6'.  PASS.  Celtics have never seen a small 2guard with no position that they don't like.

[saltlover]

He's listed at 6'2 but I don't remember him being that tall.  More like 6'.  PASS.  Celtics have never seen a small 2guard with no position that they don't like.

He's listed at 6'0.75" without shoes at the combine, and 6'2.5 with shoes.  He's point guard sized.  Perhaps he's actually a point guard who can shoot and not defend?

Dude's a great shooter and decent distributor.  I'm not sure we have anyone on the roster with that offensive skillset.  Most teams do.

[Roy H.]

I'm almost certain we've got enough room under the lux tax to do that.

I'm almost certain we don't. We did before we signed Johnson. But I may be wrong.

You're wrong.  As mentioned in the beginning of the the thread, we've got $700-$800 K room.  That's double the pro-rated minimum.

Just a caveat on this:  we can never say definitively what the Celtics cap situation looks like, because a lot of contract information isn't public.  Generally, what you see on sites like shamsports, etc., is somebody's base contract.  Those sites don't always include bonuses, including unlikely bonuses that players achieve.  Without that information, it's impossible to know exactly where we're at unless a member of the front office publicizes that info.

[SHAQATTACK]

I'd rather sign D league talent.

Me too.......not NBA. Material


If he was worth a flip .....they would have used him.......or somebody would have wanted him already.......just never like this guy one bit

[quidinqui33]

http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/jimmer_fredette

Interesting.  I know Danny has always been intrigued by Jimmer.  I think if we can get him on the cheap, I would take a flyer on him and audition him for the rest of the year.  The guy can still shoot.

[slamtheking]

ugh, not another "let's get Jimmer" thread

[Lucky17]

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=69893.0

[YoungOne87]

I'd rather get terrence williams

[Birdman]

Pass