Wallace: We're a team that's all talk (his rant)

[Celtics18]

suspend him until the end of the season for conduct detrimental to the organization.  I don't want his words sinking in.  Let these kids lose in peace.

That's the problem with losing.  I don't want a team full of guys who are capable of "losing in peace."  That would make them losers.   

It shouldn't be peaceful.  And, I doubt it is for the likes of Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger, Brandon Bass (even Jordan Crawford).  Jeff Green, admittedly, generally doesn't look too bothered by it.

[LooseCannon]

Wallace needs to shoot more when he is open. Maybe drive to the hoop and draw contact a little more.

Maybe his abilities have declined to the point where he shouldn't be doing those things.

[hwangjini_1]

Bogans, Cassell, Dooling, Scals, etc, certainly didn't/don't perform on the floor so I'm not sure what your point is.

You said it yourself:

If your game doesn't back up your talk players aren't going to listen to you.

...but the guys you listed didn't have any game to back up their talk so how did anybody possibly listen to them?  (It's because, like you said, they were respected and that means way more than performance)

There is a difference in expectations when you're the 6th man on the team, if you're the all-star PG, and if you're the backup PG/SF/PF who averages 12 MPG when you don't get a DNP-CD.

If you're getting heavy minutes and trying to lead you need to perform.

Wallace is playing like a stiff, is scared to shoot, and feels the need to call out the rest of the team everytime things are tough. He's been doing it since the preseason. That's not leadership, that's whining of an unhappy player who thinks he's a leader.

Yup.  He's an underachieving, overpaid whiner.

not sure why we should blame wallace for the stupidity of an owner who offered him a $10,000,000/year contract. he would have been stupid to turn it down and i certainly do not blame him for accepting that deal.

as for wallace underachieving, yes, but is anyone vaguely familiar with his play the past year or two startled or amazing by this turn of events? while a few cbers posted and boasted about his return to good-player-ocity, most posters here knew it was a pipe dream at best.

focusing on his words now, he is basically correct. this team, especially seen in the game against the nuggets, is not trying hard enough. early in the season the celtics played all out, tough defense and played above their collective talent level as a result (insert "who couldnt?" joke here.)

defense can be played well with enough effort, even if the talent level is not superior. this is a mediocre talent team that has stopped trying hard on defense and is getting creamed as a result.

wallace is underachieving, yes. wallace makes as much money as i wish i could, yes. wallace may be better off shooting off in the locker room and not the press, yes, yes, yes.

but his basic points on recent team effort stand. i am now curious to see how stevens deals with this whole collection of challenges.

[Donoghus]

Bogans, Cassell, Dooling, Scals, etc, certainly didn't/don't perform on the floor so I'm not sure what your point is.

You said it yourself:

If your game doesn't back up your talk players aren't going to listen to you.

...but the guys you listed didn't have any game to back up their talk so how did anybody possibly listen to them?  (It's because, like you said, they were respected and that means way more than performance)

There is a difference in expectations when you're the 6th man on the team, if you're the all-star PG, and if you're the backup PG/SF/PF who averages 12 MPG when you don't get a DNP-CD.

If you're getting heavy minutes and trying to lead you need to perform.

Wallace is playing like a stiff, is scared to shoot, and feels the need to call out the rest of the team everytime things are tough. He's been doing it since the preseason. That's not leadership, that's whining of an unhappy player who thinks he's a leader.

Yup.  He's an underachieving, overpaid whiner.

not sure why we should blame wallace for the stupidity of an owner who offered him a $10,000,000/year contract. he would have been stupid to turn it down and i certainly do not blame him for accepting that deal.

as for wallace underachieving, yes, but is anyone vaguely familiar with his play the past year or two startled or amazing by this turn of events? while a few cbers posted and boasted about his return to good-player-ocity, most posters here knew it was a pipe dream at best.

focusing on his words now, he is basically correct. this team, especially seen in the game against the nuggets, is not trying hard enough. early in the season the celtics played all out, tough defense and played above their collective talent level as a result (insert "who couldnt?" joke here.)

defense can be played well with enough effort, even if the talent level is not superior. this is a mediocre talent team that has stopped trying hard on defense and is getting creamed as a result.

wallace is underachieving, yes. wallace makes as much money as i wish i could, yes. wallace may be better off shooting off in the locker room and not the press, yes, yes, yes.

but his basic points on recent team effort stand. i am now curious to see how stevens deals with this whole collection of challenges.

I don't care who's fault it is, still doesn't defeat the fact that he's an overpaid basketball player given what the Celtics get out of him on the floor. IMO, the label is apt.

His contract was the one thing that really gave me hesitation back when the trade went down.  I absolutely hated that part of the trade and the fact that the Celtics faced the harsh reality of carrying that albatross contract on their books.

[Celtics4ever]

4 points last night and these comments make him a talker and hypocrit in my book.

[LooseCannon]

His contract was the one thing that really gave me hesitation back when the trade went down.  I absolutely hated that part of the trade and the fact that the Celtics faced the harsh reality of carrying that albatross contract on their books.

The way I look at it, you can either be content with Wallace or you can wish that the Celtics kept Terry's contract, didn't get a big trade exception as part of the deal, and took in one fewer first round pick.

Would you rather still have Terry or would you have Wallace, the pick, and the TE?

[Donoghus]

His contract was the one thing that really gave me hesitation back when the trade went down.  I absolutely hated that part of the trade and the fact that the Celtics faced the harsh reality of carrying that albatross contract on their books.

The way I look at it, you can either be content with Wallace or you can wish that the Celtics kept Terry's contract, didn't get a big trade exception as part of the deal, and took in one fewer first round pick.

Would you rather still have Terry or would you have Wallace, the pick, and the TE?

And that's a legit point.  I've opened up more & more to the trade because of the possiblities of what might occur and finally gave myself some closure on the end of the Pierce/KG era.

For the most part I'm happy with it, I just wish this contract didn't look so bad i.e. I wish Wallace would play better than he has.

Ainge did the right thing.

[Q_FBE]

Would you rather still have Terry or would you have Wallace, the pick, and the TE?

I would prefer Wallace, pick and TE over JETC (Just End Terry's Career).

I find Gerald Wallace refreshing in his attitude and passion for the game. It is a shame that he simply does not have Larry Birds skill.

[Fafnir]

Terry was added at the behest of the Celtics because Wallace was going to have to be included. Without Wallace in the deal KG/Pierce could not have been moved.

Pierce and KG alone made 27 million and Humphries is only 12.

So no its not have Terry and one less pick and TE. Instead its we'd have to have kept Pierce or KG.

[BballTim]

Bogans, Cassell, Dooling, Scals, etc, certainly didn't/don't perform on the floor so I'm not sure what your point is.

You said it yourself:

If your game doesn't back up your talk players aren't going to listen to you.

...but the guys you listed didn't have any game to back up their talk so how did anybody possibly listen to them?  (It's because, like you said, they were respected and that means way more than performance)

There is a difference in expectations when you're the 6th man on the team, if you're the all-star PG, and if you're the backup PG/SF/PF who averages 12 MPG when you don't get a DNP-CD.

If you're getting heavy minutes and trying to lead you need to perform.

Wallace is playing like a stiff, is scared to shoot, and feels the need to call out the rest of the team everytime things are tough. He's been doing it since the preseason. That's not leadership, that's whining of an unhappy player who thinks he's a leader.

Yup.  He's an underachieving, overpaid whiner.

not sure why we should blame wallace for the stupidity of an owner who offered him a $10,000,000/year contract. he would have been stupid to turn it down and i certainly do not blame him for accepting that deal.

  I don't blame him for taking the money, but I doubt you'll dispute that he's overpaid.

[dark_lord]

for those saying his play has been sub-par at best.....while i agree he hasnt performed well, there is no denying he doesnt play hard.  his comments were spot on

[action781]

for those saying his play has been sub-par at best.....while i agree he hasnt performed well, there is no denying he doesnt play hard.  his comments were spot on

I agree.  I have no problem with his effort and think its good for him to call out teammates if he feels their not giving it their all.

They should suspend wallace a game or tell him to shut up. This doesnt help the team and neither does his playing ability.

IIRC, the opposite is true.  I feel like the celtics always seem to have a little uptick after Wallace comes out with comments like this?  They certainly have at least once or twice.

[Fafnir]

Well given that he whines after losses and losing streaks some of the time he whines we're bound to bounce back.

[wiley]

Tough crowd!  His words aren't all that incendiary...

He probably has one or two people in mind, but wisely chose
to talk generally about the team. 

I've never heard of teammates having a problem with him
during his career.  So I don't get the complaining
about his analysis of his team's team  verses individual play....

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

He's talking to you, Brandon Bass!

ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!