C's interested in Hayward

[Chris]

I like Hayward a lot, but have no interest in paying him $10 million or so per year. Tying up cap room in non-stars is a bad strategy.

I would be OK with paying him $10 million a year, to replace Jeff Green.  I think he will end up being good value at that salary.  But I wouldn't go above that. 

I think Hayward is going to be a very good second or third banana on some team.  He is not a superstar, but as a complimentary star, he could fit in well I think. 

Unfortunately, I expect him to be paid like a real star.  I think he is going to get 12, 13, 14 million a year from someone next summer.  And I hope it's not the C's.

[Snakehead]

I like Hayward a lot, but have no interest in paying him $10 million or so per year. Tying up cap room in non-stars is a bad strategy.

I would be OK with paying him $10 million a year, to replace Jeff Green.  I think he will end up being good value at that salary.  But I wouldn't go above that. 

I think Hayward is going to be a very good second or third banana on some team.  He is not a superstar, but as a complimentary star, he could fit in well I think. 

Unfortunately, I expect him to be paid like a real star.  I think he is going to get 12, 13, 14 million a year from someone next summer.  And I hope it's not the C's.

I'm pretty sure his max is 9 or 10 mill per year next year, isn't it?  I am only a salary cap "expert" when I am looking at the information but I thought that was the case.  If someone could confirm or deny I'd appreciate it. 

But due to his years in the league I believe that's the case.

[Tr1boy]

I like Hayward a lot, but have no interest in paying him $10 million or so per year. Tying up cap room in non-stars is a bad strategy.

I would be OK with paying him $10 million a year, to replace Jeff Green.  I think he will end up being good value at that salary.  But I wouldn't go above that. 

I think Hayward is going to be a very good second or third banana on some team.  He is not a superstar, but as a complimentary star, he could fit in well I think. 

Unfortunately, I expect him to be paid like a real star.  I think he is going to get 12, 13, 14 million a year from someone next summer.  And I hope it's not the C's.

I disagree. Hayward has potential to be a 1st option type of guy. He can score in many ways, has excellent size at sf/sg , gives decent effort on the defensive end(been through brad stevens system), and most important is a terrific shooter. A hand in his face or in clutch situations he can make it unlike any celts players we have now


I would be willing to give him 10-12 a year and bet his career gets a second lift off under stevens. Unless another team like the suns offer the sky for him, i expect him to be a celtic by start of next year and jeff green likely traded to somewhere else.

Hayward is a sf but could be a sg like the way green is a sg for us now. Just a much better and consistent shooter

[LooseCannon]

I'm pretty sure his max is 9 or 10 mill per year next year, isn't it?  I am only a salary cap "expert" when I am looking at the information but I thought that was the case.  If someone could confirm or deny I'd appreciate it. 

But due to his years in the league I believe that's the case.

The maximum salary for a player with 6 or fewer years in the NBA is 25% of the salary cap.  That was around $13.7m for 2013-2014.

[Celtics4ever]

Maybe he gives a discount to play for Stevens?

[CelticG1]

I seriously must be thinking of a different person.

10, 11, 12 million???

3rd, 2nd or 1st option??

I mean, paul pierce next year as a free agent is probably worth 3 years 10 mil over Hayward

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http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67950.msg1566998#msg1566998

The Cs will propose this deal. Whether it's of interest to the Jazz is a separate issue.

There's basically zero circumstantial chance that the Cs would achieve signing him outright as an RFA, for a variety of reasons. He'd arrive here via a trade, or likely not at all.

[Mr October]

I like Hayward a lot, but have no interest in paying him $10 million or so per year. Tying up cap room in non-stars is a bad strategy.

I would be OK with paying him $10 million a year, to replace Jeff Green.  I think he will end up being good value at that salary.  But I wouldn't go above that. 

I think Hayward is going to be a very good second or third banana on some team.  He is not a superstar, but as a complimentary star, he could fit in well I think. 

Unfortunately, I expect him to be paid like a real star.  I think he is going to get 12, 13, 14 million a year from someone next summer.  And I hope it's not the C's.

I was just going to ask in this thread, just how much better is Hayward over Jeff green. I dont think much. I would pick Hayward due to better shooting ability and he has the youth/upside edge. He may be a better passer too. I haven't seen enough of him to know for sure.

Jeff green gets the edge on defense and athleticism.

Both are just ok rebounders as small forwards, and ok as complimentary scorers.

I think 10 million per year is right on target for Hayward. And i would only want to pick him up if we could send green out.

[scaryjerry]

Honestly? Yawn. This would do nothing but set us back and be a colossal failure...coach needs to get over this man crush for his former butler bulldog...clearly that'd be the only reason for any interest

[nickagneta]

If Sullinger has a big year and develops and the C's get a top 3 pick, they are going to need to eventually pay those guys, guys with potential to be "the guy" on your team.

Haywood will never be "the guy" on a great team and should never be paid like it. I think Ainge knows that and won't tie up big money on Haywood when he will have too many future big contracts to worry about handing out(like Rondo's).

If you can get Haywood here in a S&T for Green or a package of Lee and Bass(while shedding a million or more in salary) or the trade exception, great,if Danny thinks he is a piece worth having. If not, oh well.

A Haywood acquisition just doesn't get me very excited.

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If Sullinger has a big year and develops and the C's get a top 3 pick, they are going to need to eventually pay those guys, guys with potential to be "the guy" on your team.

Haywood will never be "the guy" on a great team and should never be paid like it. I think Ainge knows that and won't tie up big money on Haywood when he will have too many future big contracts to worry about handing out(like Rondo's).

If you can get Haywood here in a S&T for Green or a package of Lee and Bass(while shedding a million or more in salary) or the trade exception, great,if Danny thinks he is a piece worth having. If not, oh well.

A Haywood acquisition just doesn't get me very excited.

2014 rookie contracts will be the same length as Hayward's deal this offseason, i believe. So one has nothing to do with the other.

Jared Sullinger... "the guy"? Scary. Still to be determined if he's an NBA starter for the long-term.

[nickagneta]

If Sullinger has a big year and develops and the C's get a top 3 pick, they are going to need to eventually pay those guys, guys with potential to be "the guy" on your team.

Haywood will never be "the guy" on a great team and should never be paid like it. I think Ainge knows that and won't tie up big money on Haywood when he will have too many future big contracts to worry about handing out(like Rondo's).

If you can get Haywood here in a S&T for Green or a package of Lee and Bass(while shedding a million or more in salary) or the trade exception, great,if Danny thinks he is a piece worth having. If not, oh well.

A Haywood acquisition just doesn't get me very excited.

2014 rookie contracts will be the same length as Hayward's deal this offseason, i believe. So one has nothing to do with the other.

Jared Sullinger... "the guy"? Scary. Still to be determined if he's an NBA starter for the long-term.

I don't think that believing Sullinger could develop into "the guy" on a team is any more scary than paying Hayward upwards towards $13-14 million a year to be "the guy".

[Tr1boy]

I like Hayward a lot, but have no interest in paying him $10 million or so per year. Tying up cap room in non-stars is a bad strategy.

I would be OK with paying him $10 million a year, to replace Jeff Green.  I think he will end up being good value at that salary.  But I wouldn't go above that. 

I think Hayward is going to be a very good second or third banana on some team.  He is not a superstar, but as a complimentary star, he could fit in well I think. 

Unfortunately, I expect him to be paid like a real star.  I think he is going to get 12, 13, 14 million a year from someone next summer.  And I hope it's not the C's.

I was just going to ask in this thread, just how much better is Hayward over Jeff green. I dont think much. I would pick Hayward due to better shooting ability and he has the youth/upside edge. He may be a better passer too. I haven't seen enough of him to know for sure.

Jeff green gets the edge on defense and athleticism.

Both are just ok rebounders as small forwards, and ok as complimentary scorers.

I think 10 million per year is right on target for Hayward. And i would only want to pick him up if we could send green out.

Hayward is already slighty better and younger. More consistent, better passer, shooter, higher bbiq.  Green has edge on defense and able to finish acrobatically. But at the end of the game where  no free lane is present it is a hit or miss with green.

Personally rather than green and wallce duo, love to see how green , hayward duo would do. With hayward opening things on the floor, green would have an easier time to drive.

[nickagneta]

Personally rather than green and wallce duo, love to see how green , hayward duo would do.

While I agree with this, I find it more likely that Wallace will still be on this team come the end of the 2014-2015 season than Jeff Green. Green is young, can fill a stat sheet. Wallace has just lost it and is aging fast. Given the value and length of each. I think it more likely Danny moves Green than Wallace and for that reason, I don't see a Hayward/Green matchup likely.

[Tr1boy]

Personally rather than green and wallce duo, love to see how green , hayward duo would do.

While I agree with this, I find it more likely that Wallace will still be on this team come the end of the 2014-2015 season than Jeff Green. Green is young, can fill a stat sheet. Wallace has just lost it and is aging fast. Given the value and length of each. I think it more likely Danny moves Green than Wallace and for that reason, I don't see a Hayward/Green matchup likely.

Wallace the yapmaster 2000 might just get cut the morr he keeps whinning. At first it was a breath of fresh air. Now its getting annoying.

Anyways, a green/hayward duo might not be as far fetched as ppl think. Jazz dont want green imo. They rather take ab plus a 1st or try to pry away sully/olynyk.

After the trade (for ab) i see a lineup of

C- fav or sully
Pf- olynyk
Sf- green
Sg- hayward
Pg- rondo

Defense is a little worse but offense now looking dangerous. Rondo has a new "ray allen" like player to pass to. If we need to press on defense , take out green or hayward , insert lee