C's interested in Hayward

[celticslove]

maybe a S&T for jeff green can land him here.

[TwinTower14]

Only way I can see this happening is if the C's land Embiid or some other big in the draft and try and move Green for Hayward? Other than that it doesn't make sense?

[Eddie20]

Guy is an over rated mediocre role player.

You do realize that he was a part of an underdog NCAA team that ran with the big dogs and almost upset him.   I do not think he is superstar but I don't think he is chopped liver either.

It's a great story. If the guy is so great then the Jazz will do what they need to do to keep him.
They've already got Kanter and Williams- Hayward would be the perfect third fiddle right?

Absolute crap. Guy is an over rated mediocre role player. You don't win championships with guys like Hayward as your starting small forward. Danny wouldn't touch this guy for the money he'll command.  We are rebuilding. ..you get guys like Hayward with first round picks in the 15 to 20 range and hope they become an nba starter with trade value for some sucker team....just as the jazz would hope to do to us.
Don't buy this rumor for a second.

Mediocre role player?  Apparently teams think of him much higher than you do since he will be a highly sought out FA this summer and was one of the few players selected to be part of Team USA. And he was actually a top 10 pick in the draft (#9 to be exact).

This year he's averaging 16.8 ppg, 6 rpg, and 4.8 apg in just 34 mpg...and he's still only 23.

Again cool story but if he's so good then we'll see the Jazz fight for his honor. Guy is playing for a bum squad of rookies and is poor mans Jeff Green athletically and defensively. Not that Green is anything special but neither is Hayward- their stats are similar but Greens defensive impact is far superior.

Some sucker is going to pay over 10 million for this guy and we get Green for 8-9 million? I'll take Green all day.
Danny has plenty of mediocre trade bait already in Bradley, Green, Bass and Lee- we don't need anymore.

Have you seen him play much? I ask that honestly since you're comparing Hayward to players such as Bass & Lee.

[Roy H.]

I like Hayward a lot, but have no interest in paying him $10 million or so per year. Tying up cap room in non-stars is a bad strategy.

[chambers]

Guy is an over rated mediocre role player.

You do realize that he was a part of an underdog NCAA team that ran with the big dogs and almost upset him.   I do not think he is superstar but I don't think he is chopped liver either.

It's a great story. If the guy is so great then the Jazz will do what they need to do to keep him.
They've already got Kanter and Williams- Hayward would be the perfect third fiddle right?

Absolute crap. Guy is an over rated mediocre role player. You don't win championships with guys like Hayward as your starting small forward. Danny wouldn't touch this guy for the money he'll command.  We are rebuilding. ..you get guys like Hayward with first round picks in the 15 to 20 range and hope they become an nba starter with trade value for some sucker team....just as the jazz would hope to do to us.
Don't buy this rumor for a second.

Mediocre role player?  Apparently teams think of him much higher than you do since he will be a highly sought out FA this summer and was one of the few players selected to be part of Team USA. And he was actually a top 10 pick in the draft (#9 to be exact).

This year he's averaging 16.8 ppg, 6 rpg, and 4.8 apg in just 34 mpg...and he's still only 23.

Again cool story but if he's so good then we'll see the Jazz fight for his honor. Guy is playing for a bum squad of rookies and is poor mans Jeff Green athletically and defensively. Not that Green is anything special but neither is Hayward- their stats are similar but Greens defensive impact is far superior.

Some sucker is going to pay over 10 million for this guy and we get Green for 8-9 million? I'll take Green all day.
Danny has plenty of mediocre trade bait already in Bradley, Green, Bass and Lee- we don't need anymore.

Have you seen him play much? I ask that honestly since you're comparing Hayward to players such as Bass & Lee.

Yes, I've watched him plenty- I watched the Butler run and took interest in his NBA career- I actually thought he'd be a flop but he's made the most out of a nice situation in Utah. If this guy went 10 spots higher he'd be a relative unknown now. The only reason he plays is because the Jazz stink and Marvin Williams is gone.
The kid is ok. He's a 7 out of 10. Decent shooter/slasher and can get to the rim against smaller guys. His defense? 6.5 out of 10? Am I being generous?
Don't get me wrong he's not a complete chump but he's simply not the guy that you want to sign in a rebuild or re tooling situation.
You want to land him cheap and showcase him because he does the basics well and looks good when you give him 30+ mins a game. Just like Jeff Green but less spectacular.

Doesn't bother me if people think he's worth 10 million either because he may get paid that by some desperate GM.
Good news is Danny Ainge will have about as much interest in this guy as Antoine Walker. Zilch.

[Fafnir]

I think we have 12 mill to spend in the offseason.

Only if we let Bradley and Faverani walk, even then its less than 12.

We have 48.2 million in committed salary, excluding holds for Bradley/Crawford and Faverani's option (I think we have a team option).

That's just for 7 players, so we have 6 cap holds of about 500k. That's another 3 million off which leaves us with 51.2 when the salary cap is expected to be roughly 60 million. So that's 8.8 million to spend baring dropping salary in a trade.

Then you have to figure we have 2 first round picks in 2014, those rookies have to be paid and accounted for. Given that we're looking at a high lottery pick at 0-4 (top 5 at the moment even if we "lose" the lottery) That's another hefty chunk of salary with a smaller number for the worst of Brooklyn/Atlanta picks. Those 2 picks if used will remove the 500k cap charge, but it still is reducing our cap room.

[nickagneta]

I think we have 12 mill to spend in the offseason.

Only if we let Bradley and Faverani walk, even then its less than 12.

We have 48.2 million in committed salary, excluding holds for Bradley/Crawford and Faverani's option (I think we have a team option).

That's just for 7 players, so we have 6 cap holds of about 500k. That's another 3 million off which leaves us with 51.2 when the salary cap is expected to be roughly 60 million. So that's 8.8 million to spend baring dropping salary in a trade.

Then you have to figure we have 2 first round picks in 2014, those rookies have to be paid and accounted for. Given that we're looking at a high lottery pick at 0-4 (top 5 at the moment even if we "lose" the lottery) That's another hefty chunk of salary with a smaller number for the worst of Brooklyn/Atlanta picks. Those 2 picks if used will remove the 500k cap charge, but it still is reducing our cap room.

And because of the amount being somewhere in the $5-6 million range counting empty player slot holds and 1st round picks holds, the chances of Danny just renouncing the rights to every free agent the C's have is next to nothing meaning, we really don't have any cap space at all.

My guess is he renounces Humphries and Brooks and sends out qualifying offers to Bradley and Crawford putting us over the cap with no room for signing free agents.

Which I guess is good because it keeps the $10.3 million trade exception alive and gives the team some value there.

[Galeto]

Guy is an over rated mediocre role player.

You do realize that he was a part of an underdog NCAA team that ran with the big dogs and almost upset him.   I do not think he is superstar but I don't think he is chopped liver either.

It's a great story. If the guy is so great then the Jazz will do what they need to do to keep him.
They've already got Kanter and Williams- Hayward would be the perfect third fiddle right?

Absolute crap. Guy is an over rated mediocre role player. You don't win championships with guys like Hayward as your starting small forward. Danny wouldn't touch this guy for the money he'll command.  We are rebuilding. ..you get guys like Hayward with first round picks in the 15 to 20 range and hope they become an nba starter with trade value for some sucker team....just as the jazz would hope to do to us.
Don't buy this rumor for a second.

Mediocre role player?  Apparently teams think of him much higher than you do since he will be a highly sought out FA this summer and was one of the few players selected to be part of Team USA. And he was actually a top 10 pick in the draft (#9 to be exact).

This year he's averaging 16.8 ppg, 6 rpg, and 4.8 apg in just 34 mpg...and he's still only 23.

Again cool story but if he's so good then we'll see the Jazz fight for his honor. Guy is playing for a bum squad of rookies and is poor mans Jeff Green athletically and defensively. Not that Green is anything special but neither is Hayward- their stats are similar but Greens defensive impact is far superior.

Some sucker is going to pay over 10 million for this guy and we get Green for 8-9 million? I'll take Green all day.
Danny has plenty of mediocre trade bait already in Bradley, Green, Bass and Lee- we don't need anymore.

Have you seen him play much? I ask that honestly since you're comparing Hayward to players such as Bass & Lee.

Yes, I've watched him plenty- I watched the Butler run and took interest in his NBA career- I actually thought he'd be a flop but he's made the most out of a nice situation in Utah. If this guy went 10 spots higher he'd be a relative unknown now. The only reason he plays is because the Jazz stink and Marvin Williams is gone.
The kid is ok. He's a 7 out of 10. Decent shooter/slasher and can get to the rim against smaller guys. His defense? 6.5 out of 10? Am I being generous?
Don't get me wrong he's not a complete chump but he's simply not the guy that you want to sign in a rebuild or re tooling situation.
You want to land him cheap and showcase him because he does the basics well and looks good when you give him 30+ mins a game. Just like Jeff Green but less spectacular.

Doesn't bother me if people think he's worth 10 million either because he may get paid that by some desperate GM.
Good news is Danny Ainge will have about as much interest in this guy as Antoine Walker. Zilch.

You think the only reason he plays is because the Jazz have no one else and because they stink?  My goodness that's an exaggeration.  Is he a star?  No.  Does he have much defensive value?  Not really.  But he's definitely a solid, versatile offensive player.  He's certainly more versatile offensively than Green because he's such a better playmaker.   

[Galeto]

I think we have 12 mill to spend in the offseason.

Only if we let Bradley and Faverani walk, even then its less than 12.

We have 48.2 million in committed salary, excluding holds for Bradley/Crawford and Faverani's option (I think we have a team option).

That's just for 7 players, so we have 6 cap holds of about 500k. That's another 3 million off which leaves us with 51.2 when the salary cap is expected to be roughly 60 million. So that's 8.8 million to spend baring dropping salary in a trade.

Then you have to figure we have 2 first round picks in 2014, those rookies have to be paid and accounted for. Given that we're looking at a high lottery pick at 0-4 (top 5 at the moment even if we "lose" the lottery) That's another hefty chunk of salary with a smaller number for the worst of Brooklyn/Atlanta picks. Those 2 picks if used will remove the 500k cap charge, but it still is reducing our cap room.

And because of the amount being somewhere in the $5-6 million range counting empty player slot holds and 1st round picks holds, the chances of Danny just renouncing the rights to every free agent the C's have is next to nothing meaning, we really don't have any cap space at all.

My guess is he renounces Humphries and Brooks and sends out qualifying offers to Bradley and Crawford putting us over the cap with no room for signing free agents.

Which I guess is good because it keeps the $10.3 million trade exception alive and gives the team some value there.

Trade exceptions expire after a year so it wouldn't be  alive for long.

[Fafnir]

I think we have 12 mill to spend in the offseason.

Only if we let Bradley and Faverani walk, even then its less than 12.

We have 48.2 million in committed salary, excluding holds for Bradley/Crawford and Faverani's option (I think we have a team option).

That's just for 7 players, so we have 6 cap holds of about 500k. That's another 3 million off which leaves us with 51.2 when the salary cap is expected to be roughly 60 million. So that's 8.8 million to spend baring dropping salary in a trade.

Then you have to figure we have 2 first round picks in 2014, those rookies have to be paid and accounted for. Given that we're looking at a high lottery pick at 0-4 (top 5 at the moment even if we "lose" the lottery) That's another hefty chunk of salary with a smaller number for the worst of Brooklyn/Atlanta picks. Those 2 picks if used will remove the 500k cap charge, but it still is reducing our cap room.

And because of the amount being somewhere in the $5-6 million range counting empty player slot holds and 1st round picks holds, the chances of Danny just renouncing the rights to every free agent the C's have is next to nothing meaning, we really don't have any cap space at all.

My guess is he renounces Humphries and Brooks and sends out qualifying offers to Bradley and Crawford putting us over the cap with no room for signing free agents.

Which I guess is good because it keeps the $10.3 million trade exception alive and gives the team some value there.

Right unless we somehow shed salary via trading Bass/Lee/Rondo/Green we're going to be over the cap next year.

[D.o.s.]

Guy is an over rated mediocre role player.

You do realize that he was a part of an underdog NCAA team that ran with the big dogs and almost upset him.   I do not think he is superstar but I don't think he is chopped liver either.

Michael Beasley had a better NCAA career than Kevin Durant.

Count me unconvinced that anything related to NCAA success travels over to the courts of the NBA.

[indeedproceed]

Guy is an over rated mediocre role player.

You do realize that he was a part of an underdog NCAA team that ran with the big dogs and almost upset him.   I do not think he is superstar but I don't think he is chopped liver either.

It's a great story. If the guy is so great then the Jazz will do what they need to do to keep him.
They've already got Kanter and Williams- Hayward would be the perfect third fiddle right?

This is probably going to be the case. The Jazz couldn't get Hayward to sign at what they thought would be a discount (the only reason you get someone to sign an extension), so they are going to let the market dictate his price, and likely they'll match it. That's the plan on alot of guys (Monroe, Hayward, Bledsoe)

[Roy H.]

Guy is an over rated mediocre role player.

You do realize that he was a part of an underdog NCAA team that ran with the big dogs and almost upset him.   I do not think he is superstar but I don't think he is chopped liver either.

Michael Beasley had a better NCAA career than Kevin Durant.

Count me unconvinced that anything related to NCAA success travels over to the courts of the NBA.

I agree that NCAA success isn't necessarily indicative of future NBA success.  That said, Hayward has proved that he belongs in the NBA, and I think he's already surpassed being a "mediocre role player".

[D.o.s.]

Guy is an over rated mediocre role player.

You do realize that he was a part of an underdog NCAA team that ran with the big dogs and almost upset him.   I do not think he is superstar but I don't think he is chopped liver either.

Michael Beasley had a better NCAA career than Kevin Durant.

Count me unconvinced that anything related to NCAA success travels over to the courts of the NBA.

I agree that NCAA success isn't necessarily indicative of future NBA success.  That said, Hayward has proved that he belongs in the NBA, and I think he's already surpassed being a "mediocre role player".

I'll defer to your judgement there--I haven't watched all of a Jazz game since... probably Stockton/Malone.

[Eddie20]

Guy is an over rated mediocre role player.

You do realize that he was a part of an underdog NCAA team that ran with the big dogs and almost upset him.   I do not think he is superstar but I don't think he is chopped liver either.

It's a great story. If the guy is so great then the Jazz will do what they need to do to keep him.
They've already got Kanter and Williams- Hayward would be the perfect third fiddle right?

Absolute crap. Guy is an over rated mediocre role player. You don't win championships with guys like Hayward as your starting small forward. Danny wouldn't touch this guy for the money he'll command.  We are rebuilding. ..you get guys like Hayward with first round picks in the 15 to 20 range and hope they become an nba starter with trade value for some sucker team....just as the jazz would hope to do to us.
Don't buy this rumor for a second.

Mediocre role player?  Apparently teams think of him much higher than you do since he will be a highly sought out FA this summer and was one of the few players selected to be part of Team USA. And he was actually a top 10 pick in the draft (#9 to be exact).

This year he's averaging 16.8 ppg, 6 rpg, and 4.8 apg in just 34 mpg...and he's still only 23.

Again cool story but if he's so good then we'll see the Jazz fight for his honor. Guy is playing for a bum squad of rookies and is poor mans Jeff Green athletically and defensively. Not that Green is anything special but neither is Hayward- their stats are similar but Greens defensive impact is far superior.

Some sucker is going to pay over 10 million for this guy and we get Green for 8-9 million? I'll take Green all day.
Danny has plenty of mediocre trade bait already in Bradley, Green, Bass and Lee- we don't need anymore.

Have you seen him play much? I ask that honestly since you're comparing Hayward to players such as Bass & Lee.

Yes, I've watched him plenty- I watched the Butler run and took interest in his NBA career- I actually thought he'd be a flop but he's made the most out of a nice situation in Utah. If this guy went 10 spots higher he'd be a relative unknown now. The only reason he plays is because the Jazz stink and Marvin Williams is gone.
The kid is ok. He's a 7 out of 10. Decent shooter/slasher and can get to the rim against smaller guys. His defense? 6.5 out of 10? Am I being generous?
Don't get me wrong he's not a complete chump but he's simply not the guy that you want to sign in a rebuild or re tooling situation.
You want to land him cheap and showcase him because he does the basics well and looks good when you give him 30+ mins a game. Just like Jeff Green but less spectacular.

Doesn't bother me if people think he's worth 10 million either because he may get paid that by some desperate GM.
Good news is Danny Ainge will have about as much interest in this guy as Antoine Walker. Zilch.

I guess you haven't seen him play in a couple of years because Williams played 73 games last year and Hayward started and averaged more minutes than he did. Plus, Williams is still on the team, just injured.