C's interested in Hayward

[Who]

I like Gordon Hayward. I think he has the talent to be a third option on a title contender. He hasn't made that leap yet but I do think he has the ability to do so. More talented player than he has shown so far in his NBA career. 

[ssspence]

If Sullinger has a big year and develops and the C's get a top 3 pick, they are going to need to eventually pay those guys, guys with potential to be "the guy" on your team.

Haywood will never be "the guy" on a great team and should never be paid like it. I think Ainge knows that and won't tie up big money on Haywood when he will have too many future big contracts to worry about handing out(like Rondo's).

If you can get Haywood here in a S&T for Green or a package of Lee and Bass(while shedding a million or more in salary) or the trade exception, great,if Danny thinks he is a piece worth having. If not, oh well.

A Haywood acquisition just doesn't get me very excited.

2014 rookie contracts will be the same length as Hayward's deal this offseason, i believe. So one has nothing to do with the other.

Jared Sullinger... "the guy"? Scary. Still to be determined if he's an NBA starter for the long-term.

I don't think that believing Sullinger could develop into "the guy" on a team is any more scary than paying Hayward upwards towards $13-14 million a year to be "the guy".

Splitting hairs on the details of a potential Hayward contract seems beside the point.

I doubt the Cs see Hayward as a franchise player, rather as a key piece of their forward progress. They're probably aware they'll have to overpay a bit to get him, and therefore they also presumably would have a salary plan for additional players that would follow in that rebuild over the next couple of seasons.

I agree it's hard to get excited about Hayward. But if the Cs land high in the draft, get a potential superstar player, and prefer to spend some $$$ on a very young, established and capable SF as a fit for their rebuild (while shedding Green and an asset or two) I can understand why they'd be compelled to do so.

[kg is king]

No thanks, we'll just be getting another player of Jeff Green's level. We don't need any more 3rd options. Load up on assets and go for the kill with stars is a much better plan.

[chambers]

Personally rather than green and wallce duo, love to see how green , hayward duo would do.

While I agree with this, I find it more likely that Wallace will still be on this team come the end of the 2014-2015 season than Jeff Green. Green is young, can fill a stat sheet. Wallace has just lost it and is aging fast. Given the value and length of each. I think it more likely Danny moves Green than Wallace and for that reason, I don't see a Hayward/Green matchup likely.

Wallace the yapmaster 2000 might just get cut the morr he keeps whinning. At first it was a breath of fresh air. Now its getting annoying.

Anyways, a green/hayward duo might not be as far fetched as ppl think. Jazz dont want green imo. They rather take ab plus a 1st or try to pry away sully/olynyk.

After the trade (for ab) i see a lineup of

C- fav or sully
Pf- olynyk
Sf- green
Sg- hayward
Pg- rondo

Defense is a little worse but offense now looking dangerous. Rondo has a new "ray allen" like player to pass to. If we need to press on defense , take out green or hayward , insert lee

Cmon man, don't use Ray Allen and Hayward in the same sentence. Please. That team screams mediocrity.
You've got a number 2/3 guy in Rondo and two mediocre NBA starters who are third options on a championship team at best in Hayward and Green. You want 9 million on Green+ 10 million on Hayward and Rondo at 13 million?
That's 32 Million of our cap on 3 guys who will struggle to make the All Star team this year. Rondo is an All Star but with his injury and lack of stars around him now we're yet to see how good he'll be. You're screaming mediocrity with this line up. Too good to get a decent lottery pick, but a 7th/8th seed at very best.

THIS IS A STARS LEAGUE! HAYWARD AIN'T NO STAR BABY!

After the combined 32 million of these guys you're going to need another 15-16 million at least to get a franchise level player.
That's 47 million lol.

Hayward is an okay scorer and an average defender- he's not championship material. You're calling him a better passer but Green is a far better play maker and Hayward has two very strong post players now, and he also had two in Al Jeff and Millsap to pass to in the post when he was a rookie.

I don't hate the kid but he's never making an All Star game or an All defensive team. He's not terrific at one thing- he's good at everything with slightly sub par athleticism and defensive skills (defensive downfalls arise from his average athleticism trying to guard elite 2's and 3's).

If he was available as a 6th man to the Spurs for 6-7 million I'm sure they'd be cool with that. I'd take him as a 6th man or even the starting 2 guard if I had four stars at C, PG, SF and PF.

He's Utah trade bait. Ainge doesn't bite on guys like this. He goes for value or legitimate talent. There are neither in Hayward.

[WeMadeIt17]

Would love to have hayward here. Good smart player. Would be a good player next to Rondo. Moves well without the ball and is a good shooter. If that was our next move we we would need a legit big man though. Interesting though.

[BASS_THUMPER]

we dont need him
utah wont let him go anyway
because he all they got

[SHAQATTACK]

we dont need him
utah wont let him go anyway
because he all they got

Yup.....exactly


Not tradin  Jeff  Green for him.....

[Tr1boy]

we dont need him
utah wont let him go anyway
because he all they got

than why didn't they sign him ?? He is much better than Favors. It's mind boggling actually

They are dumb and now will have to overpay to keep him and still Utah will be a bad team likely

I would seriously love to have him on the team. He would make 4th quarters a little easier to deal with. I'm starting to not want to give up on Green and AB either. I don't know

[Eddie20]

Personally rather than green and wallce duo, love to see how green , hayward duo would do.

While I agree with this, I find it more likely that Wallace will still be on this team come the end of the 2014-2015 season than Jeff Green. Green is young, can fill a stat sheet. Wallace has just lost it and is aging fast. Given the value and length of each. I think it more likely Danny moves Green than Wallace and for that reason, I don't see a Hayward/Green matchup likely.

Wallace the yapmaster 2000 might just get cut the morr he keeps whinning. At first it was a breath of fresh air. Now its getting annoying.

Anyways, a green/hayward duo might not be as far fetched as ppl think. Jazz dont want green imo. They rather take ab plus a 1st or try to pry away sully/olynyk.

After the trade (for ab) i see a lineup of

C- fav or sully
Pf- olynyk
Sf- green
Sg- hayward
Pg- rondo

Defense is a little worse but offense now looking dangerous. Rondo has a new "ray allen" like player to pass to. If we need to press on defense , take out green or hayward , insert lee

Cmon man, don't use Ray Allen and Hayward in the same sentence. Please. That team screams mediocrity.
You've got a number 2/3 guy in Rondo and two mediocre NBA starters who are third options on a championship team at best in Hayward and Green. You want 9 million on Green+ 10 million on Hayward and Rondo at 13 million?
That's 32 Million of our cap on 3 guys who will struggle to make the All Star team this year. Rondo is an All Star but with his injury and lack of stars around him now we're yet to see how good he'll be. You're screaming mediocrity with this line up. Too good to get a decent lottery pick, but a 7th/8th seed at very best.

THIS IS A STARS LEAGUE! HAYWARD AIN'T NO STAR BABY!

After the combined 32 million of these guys you're going to need another 15-16 million at least to get a franchise level player.
That's 47 million lol.

Hayward is an okay scorer and an average defender- he's not championship material. You're calling him a better passer but Green is a far better play maker and Hayward has two very strong post players now, and he also had two in Al Jeff and Millsap to pass to in the post when he was a rookie.

I don't hate the kid but he's never making an All Star game or an All defensive team. He's not terrific at one thing- he's good at everything with slightly sub par athleticism and defensive skills (defensive downfalls arise from his average athleticism trying to guard elite 2's and 3's).

If he was available as a 6th man to the Spurs for 6-7 million I'm sure they'd be cool with that. I'd take him as a 6th man or even the starting 2 guard if I had four stars at C, PG, SF and PF.

He's Utah trade bait. Ainge doesn't bite on guys like this. He goes for value or legitimate talent. There are neither in Hayward.

Did your opinion of the mediocre and average athletic player change any after tonight?

[D.o.s.]

You could even say he made the most of it tonight.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I'm changing my stand on Hayward from what I've seen tonight.

I mean sure he's not going to play like this all the time but I just love how he plays the game. He goes for rebounds, he scores in variety of ways and finds teammates.

Green + a (Brooklyn) first for him if Utah is okay. And would not mind paying him $12 a year. Effort alone will earn him, and with the way he plays, I think at worst he will give you 15/4 rebounds/2 assist on like 5-16 shooting.

I'm on the Hayward bandwagon after what I saw. Include Brandon Rush in that trade scenario too, please.

[Eddie20]

Here's some video on Hayward and his "average" athleticism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4YssyOJQAc

[LooseCannon]

we dont need him
utah wont let him go anyway
because he all they got

than why didn't they sign him ?? He is much better than Favors. It's mind boggling actually

They are dumb and now will have to overpay to keep him and still Utah will be a bad team likely

He was reportedly asking for over $50 million for four years.  Maybe they think he won't be offered that much in free agency.  Maybe they don't want to commit that much money to him and then end up drafting a small forward with a top five lottery pick.

[guava_wrench]

Gordon Hayward certainly makes the most of his limited athletic ability.

You think he has limited athletic ability? I think he is very athletic actually.

http://regressing.deadspin.com/kevin-love-wins-white-guy-award-from-nba-executives-1450148792

This year, Kevin Love came in first, with 24.1 percent of the vote. Marc Gasol came in second; Matt Bonner and Jared Dudley tied for third, and J.J. Barea rounded out the top five. In a league where nearly four of five players are black, four of these five guys—Love, Gasol, Bonner, and Barea—are white. (Dudley's biracial.)

 

Great link to address the elephant in the room -- the fact that if a guy is white, people immediately think lack of athleticism unless they are a super jumper like Birdman. Yet you don't see Big Baby or Roy Hibbert in the list. I mean, really, how is Hibbert not number 1?

[Eddie20]

Gordon Hayward certainly makes the most of his limited athletic ability.

You think he has limited athletic ability? I think he is very athletic actually.

http://regressing.deadspin.com/kevin-love-wins-white-guy-award-from-nba-executives-1450148792

This year, Kevin Love came in first, with 24.1 percent of the vote. Marc Gasol came in second; Matt Bonner and Jared Dudley tied for third, and J.J. Barea rounded out the top five. In a league where nearly four of five players are black, four of these five guys—Love, Gasol, Bonner, and Barea—are white. (Dudley's biracial.)

 

Great link to address the elephant in the room -- the fact that if a guy is white, people immediately think lack of athleticism unless they are a super jumper like Birdman. Yet you don't see Big Baby or Roy Hibbert in the list. I mean, really, how is Hibbert not number 1?

Bingo. I hate that when people talk about Haywood they automatically think Jason Kapono athleticism, when it couldn't be further from from the truth. He was even said to have "slightly sub par athleticism" a few posts down.