Im ok with comparing sully to bb. Sully will b better though
But olynyk to barney? What has barney done? You might as well say danny drafted a bust already
Well, I know I have said that on many occassions. It got to the point where one Olynyk quoted me in his SIG saying it to ....I don't know......show that I am wrong if Olynyk is good. I hope I am wrong and will say so if I am but Bargs could well be what Olynyk's high side expectations are.
no. I promise you olynyk is already better than Barney.
You see Bargnani has alot of talent. No doubt about it. The nowitzki comparisons were made when he first came into the league because he could move pretty well, handle the ball like a sf not pf/c, shoot lights out and pass for a 7 ft guy. But as you take off your goggles, you see a guy who can't move as quick as nowitski, doesn't want to mix it up underneath the basket, playing with fire only sometimes, didn't develop a post game and ultimately ended up positionless.
If he isn't already, he is considered the biggest #1 pick bust so far in the nba. Darko the biggest #2 pick bust. Go figure
So i can see why some ppl were sick to their stomach that Olynyk was drafted. But the thing that seperates olynyk to these two busts, is that when he plays game in and game out, he competes. If you watch videos of him, he is pushing guys around. He pushes/forearms players for position under the basket and quite often pulls a "kg" and pushes/forearms guys out of the way. Not enought to be whistled but still a dirty old school move.
I can accept olynyk bargnani comparison, but if its Bargnani plus passion/intensity. And that is dangerous potential
bargnani is the biggest #1 pick bust? get real. he's averaged around 20ppg in the 2 years prior to his injury-riddled season last year. i'm not sure Olynyk can even accomplish that when it's all said and done.
even tho Bargs is definitely not deserving of his draft position given how his career has turned out, he is still a pretty solid role player. Olynyk will likely be a role player (and even DA has admitted that that's how he projects Olynyk to be), and i'm assuming his biggest contributions will be on the offensive end as opposed to being a team's defensive anchor and star center like Marc Gasol.
Bargnani is a competent player. i'm sure Olynyk will be one too. that said, i don't expect either of them to be in the running to win DPOY anytime soon.
you just don't get it do you? The raptors were a horrific team. Bargnani had the green light to chuck it. His career avg hovers around 44-45fg per, for a PF/C. That is pretty bad
The team especially got nowhere bc he avg 4-5 rebounds per game, and played weak defense. I'm not stating he had to be the anchor but you got to do more as the considered franchise guy. And lastly not sure where you got this complementary label for Barg. You don't draft a #1 pick to be a role player for the team do you??
Ainge says Olynyk will be complementary but he might of just said it , to not put so much pressure on him. Plus he was drafted later at 13
you seem to be lost in the conversation.
Putting Bargs into the context of a number 1 pick, yes, he hasn't panned out the way other #1 picks have but he's not "the BIGGEST #1 pick bust so far in the nba" as you claim. As mentioned by other posters, Kwame Brown, Kandiman and Greg Oden have had much more "bust" careers than him. that is why i said what i said in blue highlights. he's had some productive seasons. something that the likes of Kwame Brown and Greg Oden never really got to do.
and i'll highlight in red where i specifically said that if you forget for a minute the fact that he was drafted number one overall, he's actually a decent role player. No, you're not supposed to draft role players at the number one slot overall but that's pretty much meaningless to this thread. Bargnani not living up to the expectations of being a number 1 pick has absolutely nothing to do with how he compares to Olynyk. Him being drafted #1 overall has nothing to do with how he compares to Olynyk who was drafted at 13.
it's Bargnani contributing mostly on the offensive side, being a poor-average rebounder, not being a defensive anchor, etc. that has everything to do with how he compares to Olynyk. So when i say Sully/Olynyk will probably be more like BBD/Bargnani, it has nothing to do with draft position. It has more to do with my "projection" that they will both be solid role players with specific specialties that can help a good team, and won't really move the needle on a bad team. and that is why i'm also saying that comparing the two with Zbo/Gasol (with what i assume Zbo = Sully and Gasol = Olynyk) is also way off.
as a "fun" exercise, imagine if Bargnani was drafted at around #13, then he doesn't seem like such a bad pick. a solid role player who can contribute on offense with a career eFG% of about 49% (for reference, Lamarcus Aldridge also has a career eFG% of about 49%).
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