olynyk/sully upfront duo potential to be like zbo/gasol?

[Tr1boy]

Better comps:

Bargnani/Ed Davis before Davis was traded.

Dirk/Brand

Lee/Bogut

Anderson/Lopez

Gortat/Scola

Aldridge/Hickson

Milsap/Jefferon.


And some of those are probably lofty; if we had a bigman combo that was as good as Brand/Dirk (if different styles); that's a top-5 big man and a >15.00 PER big man, which is nothing to laugh at at all.

I'd go with the Orlando duo of Big Baby and Vucevic.  Sullinger is a cross between Big Baby's positional/taking charges defense and Vucevic's rebounding.  Olynyk has Big Baby's short arms and right now, I'd say he's the most skilled of the foursome, although it remains to be seen how he'll look against NBA defenders. 

Vucevic had a block percentage of 2.4 and Davis one of 1.5.  Vucevic averaged 1 block a game.  I'd say neither Sullinger or Olynyk are going to top that.

That's a good comparison. It shouldn't be Davis/Vucevic, though - it should be Vucevic/Davis.

Last time i remember sully took davis for a ride.

And that is a bad comparison. At worse boozer/okur

[Galeto]

Better comps:

Bargnani/Ed Davis before Davis was traded.

Dirk/Brand

Lee/Bogut

Anderson/Lopez

Gortat/Scola

Aldridge/Hickson

Milsap/Jefferon.


And some of those are probably lofty; if we had a bigman combo that was as good as Brand/Dirk (if different styles); that's a top-5 big man and a >15.00 PER big man, which is nothing to laugh at at all.

I'd go with the Orlando duo of Big Baby and Vucevic.  Sullinger is a cross between Big Baby's positional/taking charges defense and Vucevic's rebounding.  Olynyk has Big Baby's short arms and right now, I'd say he's the most skilled of the foursome, although it remains to be seen how he'll look against NBA defenders. 

Vucevic had a block percentage of 2.4 and Davis one of 1.5.  Vucevic averaged 1 block a game.  I'd say neither Sullinger or Olynyk are going to top that.

That's a good comparison. It shouldn't be Davis/Vucevic, though - it should be Vucevic/Davis.

Last time i remember sully took davis for a ride.

And that is a bad comparison. At worse boozer/okur

I have to say, you're a strange one.  You seem to dismiss the difficulty of the NBA.  Somehow Boozer and his 20/11 lines is a worse case scenario for Sullinger or Olynyk and  Olynyk is a defensive anchor because the West Coast Conference is equivalent to the NBA.  How do you see a mammoth guy like Marc Gasol and think, Yeah, Sullinger and Olynyk can match him? 

[LarBrd33]

Olynyk/Sully.  Scary!  Reminds me of our 2008 title team... It's like Scal/Big Baby 2.0. 

[rondoallaturca]

Smh.

[Tr1boy]

Better comps:

Bargnani/Ed Davis before Davis was traded.

Dirk/Brand

Lee/Bogut

Anderson/Lopez

Gortat/Scola

Aldridge/Hickson

Milsap/Jefferon.


And some of those are probably lofty; if we had a bigman combo that was as good as Brand/Dirk (if different styles); that's a top-5 big man and a >15.00 PER big man, which is nothing to laugh at at all.

I'd go with the Orlando duo of Big Baby and Vucevic.  Sullinger is a cross between Big Baby's positional/taking charges defense and Vucevic's rebounding.  Olynyk has Big Baby's short arms and right now, I'd say he's the most skilled of the foursome, although it remains to be seen how he'll look against NBA defenders. 

Vucevic had a block percentage of 2.4 and Davis one of 1.5.  Vucevic averaged 1 block a game.  I'd say neither Sullinger or Olynyk are going to top that.

That's a good comparison. It shouldn't be Davis/Vucevic, though - it should be Vucevic/Davis.

Last time i remember sully took davis for a ride.

And that is a bad comparison. At worse boozer/okur

I have to say, you're a strange one.  You seem to dismiss the difficulty of the NBA.  Somehow Boozer and his 20/11 lines is a worse case scenario for Sullinger or Olynyk and  Olynyk is a defensive anchor because the West Coast Conference is equivalent to the NBA.  How do you see a mammoth guy like Marc Gasol and think, Yeah, Sullinger and Olynyk can match him?

Tell me how did kg who is anything but a mammoth , play against a mammoth in gasol?

But but but but kg is kg ? Who cares about being 300 pounds that makes you a great defender. There is more to it.

[nickagneta]

Better comps:

Bargnani/Ed Davis before Davis was traded.

Dirk/Brand

Lee/Bogut

Anderson/Lopez

Gortat/Scola

Aldridge/Hickson

Milsap/Jefferon.


And some of those are probably lofty; if we had a bigman combo that was as good as Brand/Dirk (if different styles); that's a top-5 big man and a >15.00 PER big man, which is nothing to laugh at at all.

I'd go with the Orlando duo of Big Baby and Vucevic.  Sullinger is a cross between Big Baby's positional/taking charges defense and Vucevic's rebounding.  Olynyk has Big Baby's short arms and right now, I'd say he's the most skilled of the foursome, although it remains to be seen how he'll look against NBA defenders. 

Vucevic had a block percentage of 2.4 and Davis one of 1.5.  Vucevic averaged 1 block a game.  I'd say neither Sullinger or Olynyk are going to top that.

That's a good comparison. It shouldn't be Davis/Vucevic, though - it should be Vucevic/Davis.

Last time i remember sully took davis for a ride.

And that is a bad comparison. At worse boozer/okur

I have to say, you're a strange one.  You seem to dismiss the difficulty of the NBA.  Somehow Boozer and his 20/11 lines is a worse case scenario for Sullinger or Olynyk and  Olynyk is a defensive anchor because the West Coast Conference is equivalent to the NBA.  How do you see a mammoth guy like Marc Gasol and think, Yeah, Sullinger and Olynyk can match him?

Tell me how did kg who is anything but a mammoth , play against a mammoth in gasol?

But but but but kg is kg ? Who cares about being 300 pounds that makes you a great defender. There is much more than that to be a great defender

Yup, and Olynyk is not even close to being a great defender. He got his lunch handed to him regularly in college. In the pros, it might be scary how bad a defender he could be.

[Galeto]

Better comps:

Bargnani/Ed Davis before Davis was traded.

Dirk/Brand

Lee/Bogut

Anderson/Lopez

Gortat/Scola

Aldridge/Hickson

Milsap/Jefferon.


And some of those are probably lofty; if we had a bigman combo that was as good as Brand/Dirk (if different styles); that's a top-5 big man and a >15.00 PER big man, which is nothing to laugh at at all.

I'd go with the Orlando duo of Big Baby and Vucevic.  Sullinger is a cross between Big Baby's positional/taking charges defense and Vucevic's rebounding.  Olynyk has Big Baby's short arms and right now, I'd say he's the most skilled of the foursome, although it remains to be seen how he'll look against NBA defenders. 

Vucevic had a block percentage of 2.4 and Davis one of 1.5.  Vucevic averaged 1 block a game.  I'd say neither Sullinger or Olynyk are going to top that.

That's a good comparison. It shouldn't be Davis/Vucevic, though - it should be Vucevic/Davis.

Last time i remember sully took davis for a ride.

And that is a bad comparison. At worse boozer/okur

I have to say, you're a strange one.  You seem to dismiss the difficulty of the NBA.  Somehow Boozer and his 20/11 lines is a worse case scenario for Sullinger or Olynyk and  Olynyk is a defensive anchor because the West Coast Conference is equivalent to the NBA.  How do you see a mammoth guy like Marc Gasol and think, Yeah, Sullinger and Olynyk can match him?

Tell me how did kg who is anything but a mammoth , play against a mammoth in gasol?

But but but but kg is kg ? Who cares about being 300 pounds that makes you a great defender. There is more to it.

I wasn't just referring to Gasol's weight.  I don't know his precise wingspan but it's gotta be something like 7'4 like a lot of other centers.  KG is extremely long like Gasol.

Yes, there are a lot of ways to be a great defensive anchor but commonalities are length, agility and basketball IQ.  Both Sullinger and Olynyk are smart players but they come up woefully short in the physical department to be defensive anchors.  Seriously, the NBA is really hard.  You have to have standout physical and mental gifts.

[Tr1boy]

Better comps:

Bargnani/Ed Davis before Davis was traded.

Dirk/Brand

Lee/Bogut

Anderson/Lopez

Gortat/Scola

Aldridge/Hickson

Milsap/Jefferon.


And some of those are probably lofty; if we had a bigman combo that was as good as Brand/Dirk (if different styles); that's a top-5 big man and a >15.00 PER big man, which is nothing to laugh at at all.

I'd go with the Orlando duo of Big Baby and Vucevic.  Sullinger is a cross between Big Baby's positional/taking charges defense and Vucevic's rebounding.  Olynyk has Big Baby's short arms and right now, I'd say he's the most skilled of the foursome, although it remains to be seen how he'll look against NBA defenders. 

Vucevic had a block percentage of 2.4 and Davis one of 1.5.  Vucevic averaged 1 block a game.  I'd say neither Sullinger or Olynyk are going to top that.

That's a good comparison. It shouldn't be Davis/Vucevic, though - it should be Vucevic/Davis.

Last time i remember sully took davis for a ride.

And that is a bad comparison. At worse boozer/okur

I have to say, you're a strange one.  You seem to dismiss the difficulty of the NBA.  Somehow Boozer and his 20/11 lines is a worse case scenario for Sullinger or Olynyk and  Olynyk is a defensive anchor because the West Coast Conference is equivalent to the NBA.  How do you see a mammoth guy like Marc Gasol and think, Yeah, Sullinger and Olynyk can match him?

Tell me how did kg who is anything but a mammoth , play against a mammoth in gasol?

But but but but kg is kg ? Who cares about being 300 pounds that makes you a great defender. There is more to it.

I wasn't just referring to Gasol's weight.  I don't know his precise wingspan but it's gotta be something like 7'4 like a lot of other centers.  KG is extremely long like Gasol.

Yes, there are a lot of ways to be a great defensive anchor but commonalities are length, agility and basketball IQ.  Both Sullinger and Olynyk are smart players but they come up woefully short in the physical department to be defensive anchors.  Seriously, the NBA is really hard.  You have to have standout physical and mental gifts.

And if its between being a physical standout vs mental standout which one would you choose? U see not everyone in the nba is both. Actually only a handful and the rest is one or the other or leaning one way more than the other. You got the mcgee, jordan of the worlds then you got guys like splitter, verajao of the worlds.  So who would you rather have? For me its guys like splitter and varajao, bc of iq and good work ethic. This is my point with sully and olynyk.

[Galeto]

Better comps:

Bargnani/Ed Davis before Davis was traded.

Dirk/Brand

Lee/Bogut

Anderson/Lopez

Gortat/Scola

Aldridge/Hickson

Milsap/Jefferon.


And some of those are probably lofty; if we had a bigman combo that was as good as Brand/Dirk (if different styles); that's a top-5 big man and a >15.00 PER big man, which is nothing to laugh at at all.

I'd go with the Orlando duo of Big Baby and Vucevic.  Sullinger is a cross between Big Baby's positional/taking charges defense and Vucevic's rebounding.  Olynyk has Big Baby's short arms and right now, I'd say he's the most skilled of the foursome, although it remains to be seen how he'll look against NBA defenders. 

Vucevic had a block percentage of 2.4 and Davis one of 1.5.  Vucevic averaged 1 block a game.  I'd say neither Sullinger or Olynyk are going to top that.

That's a good comparison. It shouldn't be Davis/Vucevic, though - it should be Vucevic/Davis.

Last time i remember sully took davis for a ride.

And that is a bad comparison. At worse boozer/okur

I have to say, you're a strange one.  You seem to dismiss the difficulty of the NBA.  Somehow Boozer and his 20/11 lines is a worse case scenario for Sullinger or Olynyk and  Olynyk is a defensive anchor because the West Coast Conference is equivalent to the NBA.  How do you see a mammoth guy like Marc Gasol and think, Yeah, Sullinger and Olynyk can match him?

Tell me how did kg who is anything but a mammoth , play against a mammoth in gasol?

But but but but kg is kg ? Who cares about being 300 pounds that makes you a great defender. There is more to it.

I wasn't just referring to Gasol's weight.  I don't know his precise wingspan but it's gotta be something like 7'4 like a lot of other centers.  KG is extremely long like Gasol.

Yes, there are a lot of ways to be a great defensive anchor but commonalities are length, agility and basketball IQ.  Both Sullinger and Olynyk are smart players but they come up woefully short in the physical department to be defensive anchors.  Seriously, the NBA is really hard.  You have to have standout physical and mental gifts.

And if its between being a physical standout vs mental standout which one would you choose? U see not everyone in the nba is both. Actually only a handful and the rest is one or the other or leaning one way more than the other. You got the mcgee, jordan of the worlds then you got guys like splitter, verajao of the worlds.  So who would you rather have? For me its guys like splitter and varajao, bc of their high iq and good work ethic. This is my point with sully and olynyk.

Splitter and Varejao do not lack physical gifts.  They're both huge and agile. Sullinger and Olynyk do not match up physically with them.

Another duo: maybe a poor man's duo of Love and Pekovic.  That's another shot blocking challenged duo.

[LilRip]

Better comps:

Bargnani/Ed Davis before Davis was traded.

Dirk/Brand

Lee/Bogut

Anderson/Lopez

Gortat/Scola

Aldridge/Hickson

Milsap/Jefferon.


And some of those are probably lofty; if we had a bigman combo that was as good as Brand/Dirk (if different styles); that's a top-5 big man and a >15.00 PER big man, which is nothing to laugh at at all.

I'd go with the Orlando duo of Big Baby and Vucevic.  Sullinger is a cross between Big Baby's positional/taking charges defense and Vucevic's rebounding.  Olynyk has Big Baby's short arms and right now, I'd say he's the most skilled of the foursome, although it remains to be seen how he'll look against NBA defenders. 

Vucevic had a block percentage of 2.4 and Davis one of 1.5.  Vucevic averaged 1 block a game.  I'd say neither Sullinger or Olynyk are going to top that.

That's a good comparison. It shouldn't be Davis/Vucevic, though - it should be Vucevic/Davis.

Actually - and I've said this before in another thread - I think the most appropriate combo would be Big Baby and Bargnani. I know they don't play together, but think about it.

Sully is pretty much like BB without the ball hog tendencies. Meanwhile, Olynyk is an offensively gifted big man, has 3pt range, will likely be a poor-average rebounder, and likely won't be a defensive stopper.

[Tr1boy]

Im ok with comparing sully to bb. Sully will b better though

But olynyk to barney? What has barney done? You might as well say danny drafted a bust already

[ronaldo943]

Olynyk/Sully.  Scary!  Reminds me of our 2008 title team... It's like Scal/Big Baby 2.0.

Lol TP.

[Galeto]

Better comps:

Bargnani/Ed Davis before Davis was traded.

Dirk/Brand

Lee/Bogut

Anderson/Lopez

Gortat/Scola

Aldridge/Hickson

Milsap/Jefferon.


And some of those are probably lofty; if we had a bigman combo that was as good as Brand/Dirk (if different styles); that's a top-5 big man and a >15.00 PER big man, which is nothing to laugh at at all.

I'd go with the Orlando duo of Big Baby and Vucevic.  Sullinger is a cross between Big Baby's positional/taking charges defense and Vucevic's rebounding.  Olynyk has Big Baby's short arms and right now, I'd say he's the most skilled of the foursome, although it remains to be seen how he'll look against NBA defenders. 

Vucevic had a block percentage of 2.4 and Davis one of 1.5.  Vucevic averaged 1 block a game.  I'd say neither Sullinger or Olynyk are going to top that.

That's a good comparison. It shouldn't be Davis/Vucevic, though - it should be Vucevic/Davis.

Actually - and I've said this before in another thread - I think the most appropriate combo would be Big Baby and Bargnani. I know they don't play together, but think about it.

Sully is pretty much like BB without the ball hog tendencies. Meanwhile, Olynyk is an offensively gifted big man, has 3pt range, will likely be a poor-average rebounder, and likely won't be a defensive stopper.

Comparing Olynyk to Bargnani is really harsh. Even on the low end of his projection, it's hard to see Olynyk being as unwilling a passer and inept a rebounder as Bargnani.  Bargnani makes Bass look like Dejuan Blair.  I think Olynyk's capable of a rebounding percentage of 13.  Nothing special but not horrible either.  Bargnani's been under 10 percent for all but two seasons in his career, which is just unfathomable. 

[nickagneta]

Im ok with comparing sully to bb. Sully will b better though

But olynyk to barney? What has barney done? You might as well say danny drafted a bust already

Well, I know I have said that on many occassions. It got to the point where one poster quoted me in his SIG saying it to ....I don't know......show that I am wrong if Olynyk is good. I hope I am wrong and will say so if I am but Bargs could well be what Olynyk's high side expectations are.

[Tr1boy]

Im ok with comparing sully to bb. Sully will b better though

But olynyk to barney? What has barney done? You might as well say danny drafted a bust already

Well, I know I have said that on many occassions. It got to the point where one Olynyk quoted me in his SIG saying it to ....I don't know......show that I am wrong if Olynyk is good. I hope I am wrong and will say so if I am but Bargs could well be what Olynyk's high side expectations are.

no. I promise you olynyk is already better than Barney.

You see Bargnani has alot of talent. No doubt about it. The nowitzki comparisons were made when he first came into the league because he could move pretty well, handle the ball like a sf not pf/c, shoot lights out and pass for a 7 ft guy. But as you take off your goggles, you see a guy who can't move as quick as nowitski, doesn't want to mix it up underneath the basket, playing with fire only sometimes, didn't develop a post game and ultimately ended up positionless.

If he isn't already, he is considered the biggest #1 pick bust so far in the nba.  Darko the biggest #2 pick bust. Go figure

So i can see why some ppl were sick to their stomach that Olynyk was drafted. But the thing that seperates olynyk to these two busts, is that when he plays game in and game out, he competes.  If you watch videos of him, he is pushing guys around. He pushes/forearms players for position under the basket and quite often pulls a "kg" and pushes/forearms guys out of the way. Not enought to be whistled but still a dirty old school move. 

I can accept olynyk bargnani comparison, but if its Bargnani plus passion/intensity. And that is dangerous potential