With the Brad Stevens hire, why is Rondo automatically GONE?

[erisred]

I think there may be two lines of thought.

Number one, Rondo is so stubborn, that even an established championship coach had trouble with him.  Rondo may very well eat a new young coach alive.  I think this is a legitimate concern.

Second, this hire to many screams of tanking.  Something that may not mix well with Rondo.

I think, Rondo just wants to know why. Lots of gifted people are that way, and they get labeled as hard to teach, coach, work with. The coach, or teacher, should expect to be challenged, to explain 'why?', and to listen to the player, or student, and let them try their ideas. Sometimes they flop, and learn from that, but sometimes they surprise you and you both learn something.

I hope Stevens and Rondo learn from each other.

[kgainez]

I'm on board with it. Think it's best case scenario from what we had to choose from, and I like his chances. Those Butler teams overachieved every season, played hard, played together.

Hopeful he and Rondo get along fine, too. I like the perspective some posters shared - two great analytical minds, basketball IQs, competitive, etc.

When I first heard this, though, I did picture Rondo stealing his lunch the first few days of practice.

 He wants them to succeed every way possible. IMO, this was Doc's biggest shortcoming. He expected players to adjust to his system, and never catered to their strengths. It's why every year, the guys we bring in seem to underachieve, and the guys we lose seem to blow up on some other team.

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[Tr1boy]

Rondo either will really get along with Stevens or will butt heads.

Rondo and Rivers at times butted heads bc i think Rondo thought he was better than Rivers eventually. In huddles, he would "teach" rivers at times, it was comical to see

If Stevens is as talented and smart as everyone says he is, Rondo might be enchanted enough to just listen and do what he says. OR Rondo might test, question him, do what he has been taught, butt heads bc he considers himself one of the best pg in the league.

Guys like Green, AB could have a coach who is 25 years old, they are the type to listen to their coaches. Sully and Olynyk are too young to question anyone. 

IMO the biggest issue it could come down to is Rondo and Stevens. Danny will constantly worry about this and instead might just want to start out new

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I was about to post how great this could be FOR Rondo... then I saw people say it before me.

I was thinking that RR has had the veteran coach and probably learned all he could from Doc. It's time for something FRESH and someone potentially right up RR's alley.

I think that RR will probably be thrilled with this decision because it probably means his voice may be heard more, instead of a "my way or nothing" type.

This guy is used to handling the youngins... he is right for this young group we have right now.

RR is a genius and loves numbers, this could be a match made in heaven.

If RR isn't traded (I hope not and I think he won't be), he and Stevens will have a chance to build something together.

I also think RR is set to prove that he can be great w/o the Big 3. He also probably wants to prove that he isn't what caused Ray or Doc to leave.


W/e happens I will surely be watching on NBALP... win or lose, when I'm in, I'm in!


LET'S ALL HOPE FOR THE BEST. What does it do for "you" when you go all Negative Nancy? WE should just wait and see, Rome wasn't built in a day!

[kgainez]

What do you expect? Many people here thought Rondo was not needed after we went on a winning-streak after his injury last year.

well
I was half one of those people -- i didn't think Rondo wasn't needed but I thought team was better, and that was mainly because we began to change the way we play.
In the playoffs, we reverted to being ball dominant and not pushing as much...but I loved us when we pushed the ball.

I've since come to the conclusion that it was more of a coaching thing, and watching film from 2007-2008, that's what the Cs did, pushed the ball. I've since, apologized, but I think a new young coach is exactly what this team needs.

[badshar]

What do you expect? Many people here thought Rondo was not needed after we went on a winning-streak after his injury last year.

well
I was half one of those people -- i didn't think Rondo wasn't needed but I thought team was better, and that was mainly because we began to change the way we play.
In the playoffs, we reverted to being ball dominant and not pushing as much...but I loved us when we pushed the ball.

I've since come to the conclusion that it was more of a coaching thing, and watching film from 2007-2008, that's what the Cs did, pushed the ball. I've since, apologized, but I think a new young coach is exactly what this team needs.

I agree. But I also think that Rondo was being pushed and forced to be the leader, to dominate the ball and be the assist king. We made Allen into a pure jumpshooter, nothing else. We now realize that Allen's criticism of that was correct, since we were not utilizing him and he wasn't playing a guard role anymore. He wasn't dribbling, bring the ball up, doing anything. Just forced to stand in the corner and shoot the ball, we were lucky he was such a good shooter that even making him a spot-up jumpshooter worked because he still made them. Look at him in Miami now, you see that he still has more to his game.

We were trying to make Pierce into that too. Pierce is a classic scorer and shot-creator. Rondo had absolutely no role in Pierce's shot-creating ability. But we were forcing it by making Rondo "the leader" and dominating the ball.

If you look at the Celtics from 2007-2010, Rondo wasn't the ball-dominant guy and that worked for us.

[kgainez]

What do you expect? Many people here thought Rondo was not needed after we went on a winning-streak after his injury last year.

well
I was half one of those people -- i didn't think Rondo wasn't needed but I thought team was better, and that was mainly because we began to change the way we play.
In the playoffs, we reverted to being ball dominant and not pushing as much...but I loved us when we pushed the ball.

I've since come to the conclusion that it was more of a coaching thing, and watching film from 2007-2008, that's what the Cs did, pushed the ball. I've since, apologized, but I think a new young coach is exactly what this team needs.

I agree. But I also think that Rondo was being pushed and forced to be the leader, to dominate the ball and be the assist king. We made Allen into a pure jumpshooter, nothing else. We now realize that Allen's criticism of that was correct, since we were not utilizing him and he wasn't playing a guard role anymore. He wasn't dribbling, bring the ball up, doing anything. Just forced to stand in the corner and shoot the ball, we were lucky he was such a good shooter that even making him a spot-up jumpshooter worked because he still made them. Look at him in Miami now, you see that he still has more to his game.

We were trying to make Pierce into that too. Pierce is a classic scorer and shot-creator. Rondo had absolutely no role in Pierce's shot-creating ability. But we were forcing it by making Rondo "the leader" and dominating the ball.

If you look at the Celtics from 2007-2010, Rondo wasn't the ball-dominant guy and that worked for us.

TP

I totally agree, esp about Ray. I saw him taking guys off the dribble in Miami and I was so confused until I watched some film and thought...that's what he did...that's how we won our championship. Ray has years left. I think KG has years left. Paul, not so much, but that's just me.

I think after we won, Doc did a little too much coaching. That championship team was free. After that, not as much.

[Tr1boy]

asking Rondo to change his game , hurt his stats is the last thing he wants for his career i'm sure. Stevens won't tolerate Rondo, rolling the ball up the court, calling the shots on the fly on the offensive end. If there is a guy who cuts to the basket but is not someone Rondo belives will score, so he won't pass the ball, that won't be tolerated. Well it better not be.

Danny wants the max return for Rondo. And if Detroit is willing to give up Monroe imo i think he will do the trade. He has always liked Stuckey's game and tried to get him a few years ago in a trade.

Siva, Stuckey, Monroe for Rondo, Bass

[eugen]

Hopeful he and Rondo get along fine, too. I like the perspective some posters shared - two great analytical minds, basketball IQs, competitive, etc.

Rondo is immature. For sure he is gone have fight after 2-3 weeeks

[rondoallaturca]

I think it's telling when Rondo haters only have assumptions to base their arguments off of.

[syfy9]

Hopeful he and Rondo get along fine, too. I like the perspective some posters shared - two great analytical minds, basketball IQs, competitive, etc.

Rondo is immature. For sure he is gone have fight after 2-3 weeeks

Are Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Magic Johnson immature in your eyes as well?

[The Playmaker]

hmm...

I don't necessarily think it's the end of Rondo but I understand the reasoning.  We just hired a coach with no NBA experience so no matter how great he may become there will be some pains in the beginning just due to adjustments and difficulty at this level.  Rondo is what 28?  Coming off a pretty serious injury and with no real time table.  Now I want to see Rondo stay a Celtic and don't understand all the hate for him (not this board per say but just nationwide).  However, if someone offers a 2014 1st round pick and a couple young players that could develop well then it's going to be hard to say no when we're not going to make the playoffs with or without him anyway.

I know Stevens was great at Butler and I absolutely love the hire but anyone who thinks he's going to come right in and lead us to the playoffs needs to chill out a bit.  Acquire a good young player (or 2) and a 2014 1st and let's figure out which players we can keep for the future and which we know shouldn't be around.  This is what this upcoming season is about, building towards the future.  If that's tanking then so be it.  Personally I'm more excited about figuring out what we already have instead of paying a couple guys to lead us to a 2nd round exit.

Hate to say it but big picture, I can't see Rondo part of the team.

[blink]

Hopeful he and Rondo get along fine, too. I like the perspective some posters shared - two great analytical minds, basketball IQs, competitive, etc.

Rondo is immature. For sure he is gone have fight after 2-3 weeeks

haha...and what are you basing this on?  for all we (and you) know the new coach and Rondo might get on just great.  Absolute speculation via bias.  My pet peeve.

[SHAQATTACK]

I think Rondos role as a leader will be needed more than ever,  hopefully he will see himself as one of the elder statesman and see that the coaches master plan stays on track

Rondo time off may have given him time to reflect on alot of things good and bad with the celtics this past year

bringing in a good coach without a NBA record and clean slate .could be good....no preconceived notions by any of the players, everybody is on equal ground........maybe Rondo sees this as the time restart his career with a new perspective .

I think they will be fine,

[paidthecost2betheboss]

It could go both ways.


My guess is that the Celtics brought Stevens on board to be a teacher as the team rebuilds with a youth movement.  I'm not sure that Rondo will be consistent with that, but I'm not around the team on a day-to-day basis.  Danny seems like a believer in Rondo, and if he ultimately decides that Stevens can coach without being steamrolled by his hotheaded point guard with the extraordinary IQ, then I guess we all have to trust him.

Way too logical.
90 day ban...enjoy the vacation

Seriously, there are surely a million little things that make up Doc and Rondo's relationship. In hindsight I for one am not willing to assume it wasn't sometimes Doc making no sense and telling Rondo to eat it and smile.
This might be the best situation for Coach and Rondo. If coach has Rondo's ear and respect he's got the teams. Sit down with Rondo..ask him listen and tell him. Relationship based on mutual respect has many benefits.

I see this as a good thing for Rondo and Stevens and thus. Danny and Co.