If we blow this thing up do we trade Rondo and Green as well?

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

I reckon he's smart enough to adapt his game.

[CoachBo]

Trade 'em both for a couple 1st round draft picks next year. 

Celtics are going absolutely nowhere with what they have.

Save money, get younger, build for the future.

The future IS NOW. When do you want to contend again? 25 years from now? Getting younger is all b.s. We are young. You build for now. We want to win now, not 10 years from now. Some teams can't even get a single star. We have 3 of them plus one up and coming borderline all star.

OKC wasn't saying "We have to build for the future guys." They secured Durant and got lucky in the draft. Had they not gotten lucky, they would have still tried to get good players.

As for that team being young, it isn't getting anywhere as long as Miami is coming out of the East.

Back to the point, we aren't trying to become irrelevant again for another 20+ years like we did before 2007. We build for now and win now while we have good talent on the team that is in their prime or approaching their prime.

You are in for a severe disappointment.

[badshar]

By that time, Rondo will be in his 30s. 

I disagree with treating over-30 players like kryptonite.  I'd even suggest trying to acquire an over-30 All-Star caliber player between now and next off-season, if possible, because such a player might be undervalued due to age.

For what it's worth, I think that Rondo will have a relatively short shelf life.  Once his elite athleticism leaves him, Rondo will have little else to fall back on.  Even his passing will no longer be an assset because it too, relies on him ablity to threaten the defense.

If you think Rondo's playing style and effectiveness will have a short life, then I wonder what your thoughts are among Derrick Rose, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, LeBron James and pretty much every star in the league today who relies on his athleticism to do anything.

They all have a short life in terms of an effective playing style.

[PhoSita]

By that time, Rondo will be in his 30s. 

I disagree with treating over-30 players like kryptonite.  I'd even suggest trying to acquire an over-30 All-Star caliber player between now and next off-season, if possible, because such a player might be undervalued due to age.

For what it's worth, I think that Rondo will have a relatively short shelf life.  Once his elite athleticism leaves him, Rondo will have little else to fall back on.  Even his passing will no longer be an assset because it too, relies on him ablity to threaten the defense.

If you think Rondo's playing style and effectiveness will have a short life, then I wonder what your thoughts are among Derrick Rose, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, LeBron James and pretty much every star in the league today who relies on his athleticism to do anything.

They all have a short life in terms of an effective playing style.

The problem with those comparisons is that everybody you named has above average size for their position and has the ability to shoot.

There aren't a ton of point guards with Rondo's size and offensive skill set who have played at a relaly high level well into their 30s.  Then again, there haven't been very many players with Rondo's skillset and physical attributes ever, so who knows.

[badshar]

Trade 'em both for a couple 1st round draft picks next year. 

Celtics are going absolutely nowhere with what they have.

Save money, get younger, build for the future.

The future IS NOW. When do you want to contend again? 25 years from now? Getting younger is all b.s. We are young. You build for now. We want to win now, not 10 years from now. Some teams can't even get a single star. We have 3 of them plus one up and coming borderline all star.

OKC wasn't saying "We have to build for the future guys." They secured Durant and got lucky in the draft. Had they not gotten lucky, they would have still tried to get good players.

As for that team being young, it isn't getting anywhere as long as Miami is coming out of the East.

Back to the point, we aren't trying to become irrelevant again for another 20+ years like we did before 2007. We build for now and win now while we have good talent on the team that is in their prime or approaching their prime.

You are in for a severe disappointment.

I am not, because unlike many people here, I trust Ainge. He made us a contender in 4 years, something none of the previous GMs could do. I don't care whether McHale helped him or not. His strategy to develop players and trade for all stars worked, so I trust him. I don't believe he will keep us out of contention for that long.

[nickagneta]

So many members of this blog over value youth and under value experience. talent and experience wins championships not youth. I think it silly to think you have to trade Rondo and Green because when the Celtics will compete again is 3-4 years from now. That's just a ridiculous way to run not only an NBA franchise but any business.

[erisred]

1. Danny will always attempt to sell high and buy low.

2. Right now Rondo's stock is low. I think he needs to play it back up to top value before Danny thinks seriously about trading him.

3. Green's stock is higher than it was, but he's going to get the chance to be "the man", if Pierce is gone (and I think he is). Green's stock could really soar, or plummet. It's a risk, but I think Danny takes it.

4. Mid season trades, maybe, but also the possibility that either or both are judged "core" for the next run.

5. Core stays, everyone else is an asset that can be moved. Just like aging a wine, though, you have to show patience and wait for just the right time to make the deal.

[BballTim]

By that time, Rondo will be in his 30s. 

I disagree with treating over-30 players like kryptonite.  I'd even suggest trying to acquire an over-30 All-Star caliber player between now and next off-season, if possible, because such a player might be undervalued due to age.

For what it's worth, I think that Rondo will have a relatively short shelf life.  Once his elite athleticism leaves him, Rondo will have little else to fall back on.  Even his passing will no longer be an assset because it too, relies on him ablity to threaten the defense.

  Rondo's game isn't really based on athleticism. It's based on great passing, vision, the ability to run an offense and a superior BBIQ. Those things won't leave him in a hurry. The league's got a ton of players with little else to fall back on besides athleticism, Rondo isn't one of them.

[rondoallaturca]

Rondo's game isn't really based on athleticism. It's based on great passing, vision, the ability to run an offense and a superior BBIQ. Those things won't leave him in a hurry. The league's got a ton of players with little else to fall back on besides athleticism, Rondo isn't one of them.

I agree with this. Rondo is one of the last guys who will be impacted by the effects of time.

[Celtics4ever]

I could be wrong but I think he keeps Green,Sully and Rondo.   Dumps Bradley with Bass or Lee or Terry.  PP will be gone. KG will be gone.  I could see Melo traded for a 2nd rounder if we get any takers.  Still have to sell some tickets.   We need to hit on one of the picks this year assuming PP goes to CLE and tank for next year.   I see RR on extended medical hiatus.

[Sully7]

It's been widely reported that teams are not willing to part with their first round picks for next years draft...so we can probably forget that as a possibility.  That said it's going to be a pretty special draft class and I can see Ainge telling Rondo to take his time rehabbing his knee and Sully to take similar time with his back. 

I'm a big fan of watching "national TV" Rondo, but these repeated reports of him being absolutely un-coachable aren't going to mesh well with a young struggling team and an inexperienced coach.  If Shroader is the pick that we go with and he turns out to be as capable as advertised I think we might want to explore moving Rondo.  That doesn't mean move him..but test the waters. 

In my ideal world Rondo would get it together, prove everyone wrong and we would some how end up with a lottery pick next year and pull K.Love through some magic Minnesota Boston trade...but obviously thats just a dream.

[Celtics18]

If Green and Rondo are our two best players, they're on pretty good contracts.  Keep them.  We'll need the $$ for the #1 guy we have yet to pick up.

Barring some outstanding offer, I'd keep both and go from there.  Bradley and Sully seem to fit with them well, too.

Just need a C and we'd have a starting unit (athough Bradley should be 3rd guard).

No reason to trade Rondo or Green.

But if they are our #1 players we will need to resign them for more $ and their contracts will no longer be so good.  I don't think we can get rondo on another 11 mill per year deal.

Well, I suppose an allstar starter should probably be paid the max, right?  That's no reason to trade him.

We still need a 2nd max-type guy, making Green #3, where he should thrive.

We have plenty of other assets to trade for "that guy" without giving up Rondo or Green, including our own picks and the one we got for Rivers, and role players like Bradley, who will want to be paid much more than he's worth much sooner then either RR or JG.

You give max contracts to guys who can bring you a championship, not guys who can be good enough to get you into the playoffs.

You're not comparing Rondo to that guy, are you?

You don't think giving Rondo a max contract would totally screw up our ability to surround him with the kind of guys he needs to make it to the Finals?

Look at New York--they gave Stat the maximum when he wasn't worth it, and it's haunted them for years. Even before they gutted their team for 'Melo, and even if he wasn't made of glass that team was never going to make serious noise in the playoffs.

You pay a guy proportionally to his ability to bring you to the Finals. Rondo's a great complimentary piece, and we'll see just how good he is as the alpha dog when the season gets underway and he's fully rehabbed from his surgery, but to suggest that he's worth the max right now is Joe Johnson level tomfoolery.

I think I'll save that assessment until the end of the 2015 season.  I do know that he's worth considerably more than Joe Johnson right now and he's making considerably less money. 

[guava_wrench]

I don't see why we would trade Green. We signed him for the long term. We wanted him to be part of rebuilding. He has also been showing development as he has been returning to peak conditioning.

We would need major value to ditch him.

Rondo is another story. Rondo may be too difficult to have around a young, developing team. It is already a no win situation when a coach is stuck with a team of unproven players and below average talent. Add a player who is likely to undermine him and it could get ugly.

[action781]

I love this thinking that "omg, we aren't contenders anymore, so we're just gonna tank and get one of these future superstars.  none of the other 10-15 teams in the nba who aren't contenders will ever think of this strategy!!  rofl, what idiots those franchises are"

Yeah, celts will be very bad if we trade Pierce and Garnett.

But so will Orlando, Charlotte, New Orleans, Phoenix, Detroit, Washington, Sacramento, and maybe some other teams.  We could very easily end up with the #10 draft pick in 2014.  Assuming we get a top 5 pick in that draft is such a load of crap.