Should the ownership looking for new GM?

[eugen]

 But is that enough? How much champion title from 2007 till now, under Doc epoch, would have gotten Cs team with another GM like Pat Riley for example? If you answer this question you will find a reasonable way to admit the truth. In 2001 this GM send out our best big guy, Perkins. As the result Cs lost 1st seed @East and got eliminated by Miami Heat. Waiving Ray for zero money, one of the best snipers of the NBA. And do not forget the catastrophically money management when ate age of 35 this GM offer PP 15.5 mill/season (?) So, defending a GM who is not doing a good job for a long time, is not fair…

[ItStaysYang]

Buddy are you delusional? If doing what Pat Riley did was so easy, why can't every team in the NBA team assemble the best players in the world on their squad and win championships?

Let me give you some insight: for every team in the league that recruits LeBron and Bosh, there are 29 teams that don't. Does that make sense to you?

God this is such a whiny post. DA is better than 90% of the GM's out there. You'd be in tears if he was replaced. The grass is ALWAYS greener... P.s. I'm sure you're a kid too.

[aingeforthree]

I wouldn't want another GM in this league.  We have a good one, I say sign him long term if we can.  Teams like Sacramento, Portland, or even Phoenix would love to get their hands on Ainge.  Let's lock him up for the next 10 if possible.

[Fred Roberts]

Ainge is the man!

He "hand picked" Doc Rivers to be his coach in Boston, straight off the scrap heap. He got laughed at for this. Doc became a roaring success over the years, but became an overpaid, burnt out & stubborn coach in the end. Ainge converted his rights into a 1st round pick. Huge!

He turned Jiri Welsch into a 1st round pick! Who does that??

He's had more hits than misses over the years. His drafting has been borderline incredible. Gabe Pruitt was a gigantic mistake with Big Baby and Marc Gasol on the board .. . .well, at least he got Big Baby.

It was too bad he had to trade Jeff Green for Ray Allen. . .but wait, he got Jeff Green back to pair with Ray Allen because of a brilliant pick at 27 years ago in Kendrick Perkins.

I could go on an on. We're in pretty good hands w/ Danny.

[Snakehead]

Ainge is a great GM.  No way.

[European NBA fan]

But is that enough? How much champion title from 2007 till now, under Doc epoch, would have gotten Cs team with another GM like Pat Riley for example? If you answer this question you will find a reasonable way to admit the truth. In 2001 this GM send out our best big guy, Perkins. As the result Cs lost 1st seed @East and got eliminated by Miami Heat. Waiving Ray for zero money, one of the best snipers of the NBA. And do not forget the catastrophically money management when ate age of 35 this GM offer PP 15.5 mill/season (?) So, defending a GM who is not doing a good job for a long time, is not fair…

I don't get any of this.

Perkins has never been our best big guy. Unless you don't count KG as a big. Perk was coming off injury and was probably leaving after the season anyway. That's called getting something for nothing. And Green looks pretty good compared to Perk right now.

Riley didn't make the big 3 in Miami, that was Wade, LeBron and Bosh all by themselves. They are also the recruiters for the team.

Pierce's contract was renegotiated and extended, so that we got more flexibility. He might not be worth 15M next season, well that's why the money isn't guaranteed.

Ray didn't get waived. He was offered more money from the Celtics than the Heat, but still said no.

[Sketch5]

But is that enough? How much champion title from 2007 till now, under Doc epoch, would have gotten Cs team with another GM like Pat Riley for example? If you answer this question you will find a reasonable way to admit the truth. In 2001 this GM send out our best big guy, Perkins. As the result Cs lost 1st seed @East and got eliminated by Miami Heat. Waiving Ray for zero money, one of the best snipers of the NBA. And do not forget the catastrophically money management when ate age of 35 this GM offer PP 15.5 mill/season (?) So, defending a GM who is not doing a good job for a long time, is not fair…

Riley isn't a great GM, Wade is. He's the one that got James and Bosh to Miami. They had a choice to play together, and it was just which city. Cleveland,Toronto, or Miami. So if they decided to ditch the good weather for bad and went to the other two, or even I think Chicago was in the mix, those GM's would be considered great. Riley just freed up cap space, thats it.

He turned Perk who hasn't been the same since the injury, into Green who is better. They thought they had Shaq good to go, but that was a tough break. Green was a piece that would make CP3 interested in Boston, becuase the next off season was when they were trying to make that move. It didn't work, no becuase of the Lack of DA trying, CP3 just didn't want any part of Boston.

He didn't wave Allen. Allen walked. They offered him more money and no trade and he still walked. You know how many players have no trades? 2 or 3. So thats not on DA. And you can also blame the team for dissing the Mayo for Allen trade that would have brought talent in, instead of letting Allen walk.

PP reworked his contract so that they could sign players while he was here the first few season of it. It was smart for them to make it a team option, so they would only have to pay 5 in stead of 15. Also if they didn't sign him for this season they still wouldn't have money free to sign some one. So if DA can flip that contract for a TE, they can now sign one or two players with that money. So now with a TE you could possible get a Smith, or a Millsap and Mayo with that money. Oh and have two draft pics that could be flipped for some thing else with that.

In 4 years he got a championship, and got to the finals a second time after that, and was up to this year in the mix every year. I mean last years team should have done WAY better. He brought in good players. They just didn't work out. Maybe coaching issues? Or some times players just don't work together and you can't know that until they are together.

I think the next few seasons is were we will see how good he actually is. If we still are in the lotto in 5 years, they he should be moved. Until then he stays.

If you don't like how this team has been run, why don't you become a Bobcats fan. See how that works out for you.

[Boris Badenov]

Is not only ridiculous but pathetic how some people here (mostly teenagers and kids I am sure), are still defending without reason DA when his job is catastrophic not only in money management but in general. They live is still in delirium what happened in 2008. But is that enough?

You referring to this as though it were ancient history. Three teams have won the finals since then. In the entire period 2007-08 to 2012-13 we are third overall in team wins, behind SAS and LAL.

How much champion title from 2007 till now, under Doc epoch, would have gotten Cs team with another GM like Pat Riley for example?

Like Pat Riley "for example"? Pat Riley was not and never has been a remotely conceivable candidate to be GM of the Boston Celtics, for all kinds of reasons. Do you have even a passing familiarity with who Pat Riley is, like "for example" the previous teams he coached and the one he is most strongly associated with?

If you answer this question you will find a reasonable way to admit the truth. In 2001 this GM send out our best big guy, Perkins.

Perkins was not on the team in 2001. This makes no sense, which makes it pretty hard for it to be "reasonable" or have much to do with "the truth."

As the result Cs lost 1st seed @East and got eliminated by Miami Heat.

If you meant 2011 here, on the precise date of the Perkins trade we were the #2 seed in the East. So, your statement is wrong. Did you look up any information related to your claims before making them?

Waiving Ray for zero money, one of the best snipers of the NBA.

We did not waive Ray Allen. Please go back and read up on what happened if you want to be informed before you start lecturing other people.

And do not forget the catastrophically money management when ate age of 35 this GM offer PP 15.5 mill/season (?)

We did not offer Paul Pierce Paul Pierce $15 million at the age of 35. The only thing "catastrophic" here seems to be your understanding of the contract under which Paul Pierce currently plays. You can look it up if you want to know some facts about it.

So, defending a GM who is not doing a good job for a long time, is not fair…

Fair is in the eye of the beholder, but would you call it "fair" for someone to label others "delirious" and "pathetic" when that person has displayed nothing even remotely close to a basic understanding of the facts?

[celtics2]

Looks like the failed policies of the past persist. Celtic fans really don't ask for much. Doubt the Basketball Gods will ever waste another Pierce or KG on us. Keep Danny around, let the good times roll...

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Ah, the arrogance of the ignorant.

[blink]

I'm sure that Danny's course of action has ownership's blessing.

Danny has made some mistakes, but he also delivered us a championship and five years of high-level basketball out of nowhere.  That earns a lot of good will.

Don’t enjoy still with glory of 2007-08. Now is 2013. Look at MIAMI HEAT the way of building the team and keeping a great roster level very season. Did they trade Bosh, Wade or key palyers? DID MIAMI sign anonymous players fro China league? See how Pat Riley built the team. The catastrophic work done by DA started in 2010-11. Most important I see a dark future. Similar to Detroit Piston if you assume that KG and PP will go after Doc.

And how exactly did Pat Riley "build" the team after Bosh, Wade and and Lebron?

Let me guess, he signed a couple of good, older players in support roles. Hmmm, who does that remind me of?

Also, in case you missed the memo, Bosh and Wade are not 37 years old, and are definitely not on their last legs.

Why you faking not understanding at all? Riley offered contract to Miller, Ray, and Battier? DA picked up anonymous players form China...You see the difference. Plus.He never tried to trade Wade, Bosh, Haslem, and Chalmers...Constructive and not destructive...

It seems you're faking not understanding. Offering contracts to Miller, Ray, and Battier is exactly the same as offering contracts to Posey, Shaq, the other O'Neal, and even Sam Cassell. With the small difference that Pierce and Garnett weren't 35+ years old when those moves happened -- and now they are(and we did try the same approach by signing Terry and Lee last season; how do you like the way that worked out?)

If you think "building" around stars in his prime is the same as building around stars who are scraping the bottom of the barrel, you're sorely mistaken.

Cassell???You are living in 2007-2008 I guess. Now is 2013. So, face the reality.

I really don't think that you have any idea what he is trying to say to you.  I will try once for you as well.  KG / PP are at the END of their careers.  Letting them go and trying to get something out of them before they retire is the GM's JOB!  LBJ / DW / CB are NOT at the end of their careers so yeah the Heat are NOT trying to unload them.

Something is getting seriously lost in translation.
I think that this thread should get locked.  The original poster doesn't even realize or understand what is is going on with the team. 

[LarBrd33]

Are you nuts?  Danny Ainge is easily a top GM in this league.  Dude took a dump of a franchise who hadn't contended for close to two decades... turned them into a title contender in a little over 4 years.  Kept them relevant for another 4ish years.  Dude trades his own coach for an unprotected 1st.  He's a mastermind. 

If Danny Ainge was a free agent, he'd probably get the most lucrative GM deal in league history.  Seriously.

[blink]

Are you nuts?  Danny Ainge is easily a top GM in this league.  Dude took a dump of a franchise who hadn't contended for close to two decades... turned them into a title contender in a little over 4 years.  Kept them relevant for another 4ish years.  Dude trades his own coach for an unprotected 1st.  He's a mastermind.

+1

[LarBrd33]

I'm completely ashamed of the 10+ "fans' who voted yes.  I wonder if it correlates to how long you've been a fan.  Did you jump on the bandwagon after 07?... cuz for those of us who suffered through the ML Carr and Pitino years, you absolutely can't under-appreciate what Danny Ainge did for this franchise.  Dude is a master.  They= league has had to close loop holes because of his persistence.  He once traded Gary Payton for himself.  He's arguably the best GM in the league.  Some would argue Morray is better.  A few would say Presti before the Harden debacle.  Neither of those guys have turned an irrelevant dump of a franchise into a champion, though.  Ainge is incredible.  If you're ranking GM's, Ainge is definitely top 5 up there with Pat Riley.

[nickagneta]

Really not sure this thread is going in a good direction

Ignorant
Nuts
Delusional
Bandwagon.

I happen to think Ainge is an excellent GM but I can see where people would be fairly critical of him as well. Not sure you have to be ignorant, nuts, delusional or a bandwagoneer to come to that conclusion.