Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?

[syfy9]

big slow al is not coming to boston, end of story. the post player doesnt exist anymore. You want fast quick agile power forwards playing center, not some big old fossil still playing at the post. look at duncan, he doesnt even see playing time against golden state because they are too quick for hiim

Duncan played in every Golden State game with 34, 37, and 38 minutes allotted. The Spurs are not benching Duncan at all - and he's averaging 20 and 10.


Championship teams have seldom been "quick". Sure, there have been an increase in quick and fast teams that like running the fast break recently, but with the exception of a few teams, the majority of championships have been won by teams with a go to post player (Shaq, Duncan, KG, Dirk, Bird, Kareem, Jordan, Hakeem, McHale, etc). Skill trumps physical attributes 95% of the time.


Slow guys that are skilled > Quick guys that are not skilled. This has almost always been true in playoff basketball.

[CoachBo]

Enough of what?

Enough of a blow to a team that can't shoot from outside already?

Enough to kick-start the reunion of the God-awful 2007 Celtics?

The fascination with these two and the millions of cap space we'd waste on them is hilarious.

[Monkhouse]

Enough of what?

Enough of a blow to a team that can't shoot from outside already?

Enough to kick-start the reunion of the God-awful 2007 Celtics?

The fascination with these two and the millions of cap space we'd waste on them is hilarious.

Re-sign Pietrus for his 3pt shooting and defense to a vet mininum.

Try to grab someone like Kyle Korver/JJ Redick.

Give Lee a role, and STOP BENCHING HIM IF HE MESSES UP EVERY TIME! Tell Lee, "we need your defense, and your shooting, now get to it."

What are the chances we'll get a star studded player by trying to go into lottery? Slim. We've gone that route twice before, and guess what? After 5-6 years of not doing anything, we managed to pull some strings due to the intelligence of Danny Ainge. It wasn't through the lottery. It was through making the right moves at the right time to acquire said players with said assets.

Believe me I want to let KG/Paul Pierce retire. I really do.

But whats the guarantee that 2015 would be the best draft for us?

Either way we can't acquire both anyways... Unless we get rid of Bass/Terry. Which we should since they have some value in the playoffs, and which contending teams are looking for.

[chambers]

I'd move Pierce in a sign and trade for Big Al or Millsap. Utah won't bite though, unless we could swing a third team like Clippers or Dallas in the equation.

Lol Badshar saying people wanna move Pierce just to 'move' him and not help the team. Moving him helps the team. We either get a better player for the future or some kind of asset.

Put Millsap and KG in the paint together and they'd be brutal on both ends. Millsap is extremely talented in the post as well.

I'd say we could get Millsap fro around 11-12 million. Would be interesting if we could move Terry+Lee+ a future pick for him before he walks from Utah. Although Utah can probably get way more for one of the games top 15 big men.

[PhoSita]

Enough of what?

Enough of a blow to a team that can't shoot from outside already?

Enough to kick-start the reunion of the God-awful 2007 Celtics?

The fascination with these two and the millions of cap space we'd waste on them is hilarious.

I can definitely understand thinking that neither Smith nor Jefferson is a franchise type player, or a central piece to a championship, even.

I'm not sure why you're so vehemently against either of them, though.  They are both valuable players who have proven they can be major contributors to teams that are at least playoff caliber.

I think there can be a lot of argument over whether Rondo - Green - Smith - Jefferson could really be a threat to win more than a series or two.  Not sure there can be much doubt that the team would at least be able to compete for the division every year and probably be a lock to win a playoff series, especially in the East.

[Monkhouse]

Enough of what?

Enough of a blow to a team that can't shoot from outside already?

Enough to kick-start the reunion of the God-awful 2007 Celtics?

The fascination with these two and the millions of cap space we'd waste on them is hilarious.

I can definitely understand thinking that neither Smith nor Jefferson is a franchise type player, or a central piece to a championship, even.

I'm not sure why you're so vehemently against either of them, though.  They are both valuable players who have proven they can be major contributors to teams that are at least playoff caliber.

I think there can be a lot of argument over whether Rondo - Green - Smith - Jefferson could really be a threat to win more than a series or two.  Not sure there can be much doubt that the team would at least be able to compete for the division every year and probably be a lock to win a playoff series, especially in the East.

TP.

Josh Smith one hell of a defensive impact player.

Jefferson one of the best low post players, and he's just entering his prime now!

All we would need is a decent back up PG which I hope can be T-Will. A few back up bigs, and some serious 3 point threats. If we do decide to somehow by the act of God get these two by PP/KG not coming back, the nostalgic fan in me will cry. But I'll be happy to know that maybe our entire team, will push on with the same hearts, as the Big 3 once did.

[LarBrd33]

A big 3 of Josh Smith, Rajon Rondo and Big Al... wow... Look out Miami!

lol

[PhoSita]

A big 3 of Josh Smith, Rajon Rondo and Big Al... wow... Look out Miami!

lol

I'd argue that Rondo - Green - Smith - Jefferson is no less impressive a collection of talent than Conley - Allen - Randolph - Gasol.


You may need 2-3 superstars to be one of the best 2-3 teams in the league, but 3-4 All-Star or near-All-Star type players can be enough, with the right system and coaching, to be a second tier contender with an outside chance at going far.

In fact, I'd say Rondo has shown more ability to dominate in the post-season than anybody on the Grizzlies.

[eugen]

I dont think if is a chance to get them together. I see it very hard to happen at least one of them, you DA has to reduce 39-40%the salary of PP or KGs. In order to get both of them you have to trade Rondo and one of Terry/Bass/Lee, plus signing a free agent point guard with low salary like Barbosa.

[Celtics4ever]

A big 3 of Josh Smith, Rajon Rondo and Big Al... wow... Look out Miami!

Will playing PP and KG beat them at this point, I am guessing no.    So do nothing or remain somewhat competitive.

[coco]

Couldn't disagree  more.  The only player I am interested from Utah is Dereck Favors and the only player that interest me from ATL is Al Hofford.

I'd pass on- cant guard a chair -AJefferson and on - I am a good 3 point shooter- JSmith.

[gpap]

All I know is don't want Al Jefferson , unless he replaces Bass and maybe that is wrong too.... .   Al Jefferson is no where the player we need.   Rather have Milsap if you just have to have a Utah player...geeess pete....what is it with BIG AL fan club. 


Like J. Smith...if he would play for HALF of what he wants  and be fined by DA everytime he takes a jumper futher than 15-17 feet out, so we could get a 7 foot ish player to play defense when KG is gone or sitting.


Utah wouldn't wants to DUMP AL JEFFERSON.....if n he was worth a plug nickel , then they would n't want him gone.

PLEASE AL Jefferson only CHEAP , SUPER CHEAP last resort.    If he begs DA to hire him.


I'm not for just DUMPING Pierce to have a NEW TOY ,   dumping him for Crap contract for Smith or a loser like Jefferson is a bad idea.......doing nothing seems more prudent.

And doing nothing means the team is even worse next year than it was this year.

So if we were only a 7th seed in the East this year, we'll be lucky to come in 10th next year.

And I really don't think getting Rondo and Sully back is going to suddenly catapult us to an NBA title.

[gpap]

big slow al is not coming to boston, end of story. the post player doesnt exist anymore. You want fast quick agile power forwards playing center, not some big old fossil still playing at the post. look at duncan, he doesnt even see playing time against golden state because they are too quick for hiim

right, tim duncan, clearly not a useful player anymore . . . .

Lol, I know. Like there is some alternate universe in the NBA that I am not aware of.

[gpap]

Josh Smith and big Al? No.

And i echo the sentiments of the minority: what is the fascination with big Al indeed? if he wasn't a former Celtic, i doubt he'd be so highly thought of on this board. not denying he's a pretty good player, especially on the offensive end, but i don't think he's as franchise-changing as people think. I'd much rather have Josh Smith first before getting big Al actually.

Not everybody enjoys watching a team that, year after year, has no inside / post presence on offense and is terrible at rebounding.

Very well said. If anyone saw the Celtics/Knicks series, it should've taught us one thing. We are HORRIBLY weak inside.  It's like players can literally walk right through our defense without thinking twice about it. And, rebounding? Weren't we like in 28th place this year in rebounding?

Some need to let go of this myth that losing Rondo and Sully is what killed our chances because it didn't. It was because we had no size, whatsoever. Ainge should've replace Sully after his injury and he didn't.

[LilRip]

Josh Smith and big Al? No.

And i echo the sentiments of the minority: what is the fascination with big Al indeed? if he wasn't a former Celtic, i doubt he'd be so highly thought of on this board. not denying he's a pretty good player, especially on the offensive end, but i don't think he's as franchise-changing as people think. I'd much rather have Josh Smith first before getting big Al actually.

Not everybody enjoys watching a team that, year after year, has no inside / post presence on offense and is terrible at rebounding.

Very well said. If anyone saw the Celtics/Knicks series, it should've taught us one thing. We are HORRIBLY weak inside.  It's like players can literally walk right through our defense without thinking twice about it. And, rebounding? Weren't we like in 28th place this year in rebounding?

Some need to let go of this myth that losing Rondo and Sully is what killed our chances because it didn't. It was because we had no size, whatsoever. Ainge should've replace Sully after his injury and he didn't.

what concerns me about having a team of Rondo, Smith and Jefferson is that the team (on paper) seems like it is still one player away. but in terms of resources (assuming the C's had resources), they'd need to spend it all to form that troika.

i say theyre still one player away because those 3 players are all still flawed. Look at the profile of real franchise players like KG, Pierce, Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Duncan, etc. They can do it all. Rondo can't consistently punish teams for playing off him and doubling his teammates (though i wish he'd make me eat my words). Josh Smith can't consistently make a jumpshot either and he has no playmaking ability. Big Al isn't a defender nor is he a playmaker either.

That said, Rondo is still the most complete of the 3 and thus, the best building block. It's very tricky to build around Rondo though because of his unique skill set.