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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2013, 02:54:04 PM »

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I don't understand the fascination with Al Jefferson. As an overall basketball player he's just not that good -- he's never been good enough of a defensive presence at the center position, and that ACL injury has reduced him from "potentiall special" to "very good" offensive player.

Al is the most skilled post player in the NBA. He has the most moves and I am just astonished at how he seemingly is able to get guys in the air and score so fluidly. Having an elite low post option would help any team's offense.

He's not a horrible defender anymore - somewhere around average. He's not entirely beneficial on defense, but he isn't a liability.


All I know is don't want Al Jefferson , unless he replaces Bass and maybe that is wrong too.... ::).   Al Jefferson is no where the player we need.   Rather have Milsap if you just have to have a Utah player...geeess pete....what is it with BIG AL fan club. 

Why do you believe that the Celtics don't need a capable post player that they can revolve their offense around? Al is the sort of player that the Celtics desperately need. Another scoring option that they can go to to take away the load from KG and Pierce.



And if the Jazz really wanted to trade Al, they would've done so before the trade deadline earlier this year. Instead, they kept him - why do you think they did that?

Al Jefferson is NOT a center ..... we get killed under bucket.....we need a player like Hibbert, ASIK , NOAH ,  defensive stopper in the paint.   
Jefferson plays defense worse than Bass.I'mm all about inside play,  Milsap yes , JEFFERSON no way.
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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2013, 02:58:44 PM »

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I don't understand the fascination with Al Jefferson. As an overall basketball player he's just not that good -- he's never been good enough of a defensive presence at the center position, and that ACL injury has reduced him from "potentiall special" to "very good" offensive player.

Al is the most skilled post player in the NBA. He has the most moves and I am just astonished at how he seemingly is able to get guys in the air and score so fluidly. Having an elite low post option would help any team's offense.

He's not a horrible defender anymore - somewhere around average. He's not entirely beneficial on defense, but he isn't a liability.


All I know is don't want Al Jefferson , unless he replaces Bass and maybe that is wrong too.... ::).   Al Jefferson is no where the player we need.   Rather have Milsap if you just have to have a Utah player...geeess pete....what is it with BIG AL fan club. 

Why do you believe that the Celtics don't need a capable post player that they can revolve their offense around? Al is the sort of player that the Celtics desperately need. Another scoring option that they can go to to take away the load from KG and Pierce.



And if the Jazz really wanted to trade Al, they would've done so before the trade deadline earlier this year. Instead, they kept him - why do you think they did that?

Al Jefferson is NOT a center ..... we get killed under bucket.....we need a player like Hibbert, ASIK , NOAH ,  defensive stopper in the paint.   
Jefferson plays defense worse than Bass.I'mm all about inside play,  Milsap yes , JEFFERSON no way.
No thanks.

Recall the Knicks game.

Did we do poorly on offense or defense?

As long as KG is on the Celtics (Bradley too), our defense will be good. That's not our main concern.

Our biggest problem is offense - we simply can not score well enough to have any chance against other very good defenses. Having Al Jefferson - a pure post player and a go to scorer - will reduce the number of times our offense goes stagnant.

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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2013, 03:22:56 PM »

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For what it's worth, guys, Big Al's Defensive Win Shares this past season were 3.3.  KG's were 3.8. 

On the other hand, Big Al had 4.3 Offensive Win Shares while KG had 1.8.
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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2013, 03:24:29 PM »

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Josh Smith and big Al? No.

And i echo the sentiments of the minority: what is the fascination with big Al indeed? if he wasn't a former Celtic, i doubt he'd be so highly thought of on this board. not denying he's a pretty good player, especially on the offensive end, but i don't think he's as franchise-changing as people think. I'd much rather have Josh Smith first before getting big Al actually.
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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2013, 03:28:26 PM »

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For what it's worth, guys, Big Al's Defensive Win Shares this past season were 3.3.  KG's were 3.8. 

On the other hand, Big Al had 4.3 Offensive Win Shares while KG had 1.8.
Al Jefferson also had a 104 defensive rating (Points per 100 possessions), only one other player on the Jazz had a better rating.
KG isn't really a rim protector anymore Jefferson averaged more blocks per game this year.
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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2013, 03:33:44 PM »

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For what it's worth, guys, Big Al's Defensive Win Shares this past season were 3.3.  KG's were 3.8. 

On the other hand, Big Al had 4.3 Offensive Win Shares while KG had 1.8.
Al Jefferson also had a 104 defensive rating (Points per 100 possessions), only one other player on the Jazz had a better rating.
KG isn't really a rim protector anymore Jefferson averaged more blocks per game this year.

Yup. Saying that "Al sucks on defense" is really narrow minded. He'll hold his own on one side of the court and excel in the other. Not a superstar, but someone who'd help get this Celtics team into near contender status.
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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2013, 03:43:49 PM »

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Josh Smith and big Al? No.

And i echo the sentiments of the minority: what is the fascination with big Al indeed? if he wasn't a former Celtic, i doubt he'd be so highly thought of on this board. not denying he's a pretty good player, especially on the offensive end, but i don't think he's as franchise-changing as people think. I'd much rather have Josh Smith first before getting big Al actually.


Not everybody enjoys watching a team that, year after year, has no inside / post presence on offense and is terrible at rebounding.
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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2013, 04:00:37 PM »

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big slow al is not coming to boston, end of story. the post player doesnt exist anymore. You want fast quick agile power forwards playing center, not some big old fossil still playing at the post. look at duncan, he doesnt even see playing time against golden state because they are too quick for hiim

Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2013, 04:08:18 PM »

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Rather have shorter /smarter  Milsap for Pierce.

Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2013, 04:11:22 PM »

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big slow al is not coming to boston, end of story. the post player doesnt exist anymore. You want fast quick agile power forwards playing center, not some big old fossil still playing at the post. look at duncan, he doesnt even see playing time against golden state because they are too quick for hiim

right, tim duncan, clearly not a useful player anymore . . . .
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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2013, 04:15:26 PM »

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big slow al is not coming to boston, end of story. the post player doesnt exist anymore. You want fast quick agile power forwards playing center, not some big old fossil still playing at the post. look at duncan, he doesnt even see playing time against golden state because they are too quick for hiim

yeah that sure worked out real well for us huh? I mean we could just throw it in the paint and our power forwards playing center could easily post up and get a great shot huh?  ::)
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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2013, 04:21:59 PM »

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The day Pierce leaves, the team's performance will severely deteriorate. When Perkins left, the team went downhill for the next couple of games purely because of emotions and the fact that Perkins was such an integral part of the team. Compare that to Pierce, who has been a Celtic for life, been the captain for much of his tenure and has been the face of the franchise since he joined the Celtics, the day he leaves, the overflow of emotions will take over the team, way more than it did when Perkins left.

Not just that, the day Pierce leaves, KG will retire, Doc will second guess whether he wants to come back and Rondo well completely lose interest.

The culture of this franchise will be tuned.

At that point, no matter who you get (Big Sl or J-Smoove), we aren't getting anywhere.

This will happen in the offseason. The only ones who might be coping about it emotionally are Rondo, Bradley, and maybe Bass if he is still here. But outside of that? The fans.

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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2013, 04:35:17 PM »

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big slow al is not coming to boston, end of story. the post player doesnt exist anymore. You want fast quick agile power forwards playing center, not some big old fossil still playing at the post. look at duncan, he doesnt even see playing time against golden state because they are too quick for hiim


That isn't what I have seen watching that series.  He was pretty useful for them taking out the warriors last night.  23 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks.  TD has been pretty effective the first 3 games, basically averaging 20/10.  He has gotten Bogut into foul problems which has really hurt golden state. 

Now AJ isn't TD, but trying to use Duncan as an arguement against having a talented post player only really makes the point for the other person...
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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2013, 05:19:23 PM »

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Al Jefferson is probably one of the best low post players. Put him on any team that wants to contend like OKC, and guaranteed they'd probably be winning that trophy.

I take it back, Jefferson's defense isn't as miniscule as it was in his Celtics days. He's put forth plenty of effort in making sure his defense is polished, but not being over 7 feet tall, and not being quick enough hinders his defense. The same goes to Kendrick Perkins, but there was a sort of grittiness and toughness that Big Al has yet to possess.

But you have to remember he came to the Celtics, his position was put as the power forward. Al Jefferson is a true center, and his ability to grab rebounds, while pulling off the post moves really displays his offensive capabilities. In the first encounter with the C's, there were plenty of injuries to his body.

But Big Al is now 28, and will be entering his prime for the next 4-6 years. Would I wish KG could be mentoring him? Hell yes. The only problem is Big Al has had a series of injuries throughout his career. If we do receive him, we'd have to understand that due to his history of injuries, that he may be out one season, and out indefinitely the next.

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I watched games of Josh Smith and Rondo in Oak Hill. You have no idea how much chemistry and team work the both of them have. Considering the teams they face, and the teams history of well accomplished athletes, you could tell the two of them were something special.

I went to two Atlanta Hawks games with a friend I visited, and the fans there ARE TERRIBLE!

They were down by 17 after giving up a 10 point lead, with the 3rd quarter, and they were booing their team! THEIR TEAM! Are you kidding me? What kind of fans are those? Josh Smith is expected to be this amazing franchise player, but why would he want to be the face of a franchise who continuously disses him, and spits on his face? Cause he can't lead them to a championship? Arguably, there was a slight chance when Johnson/Williams were healthy, but Josh Smith doesn't want to be the first option.

Hes fine being the 2nd and 3rd option, which he should be.

Youngest player to ever record 1,000 blocks in NBA history. And he's only 27, with numbers that most players couldn't reach.

Smith is one of the best defensive swing forwards in the game. He can't be the one doing all the scoring which the Hawks require of him. Cause guess what? That isn't his game.

He may never be the top ten player, but his numbers through multiple years makes him a easy Allstar. He isn't top ten, but he is definitely one hell of a impact player, which can only boost Celtics even more.

Offensively he is very good at transition games, finishing, driving, rebounding, and has very good handles for a power forward. Averaging 4.2 assists this year which is pretty good considering Teague is now learning to feed his team mates. He can hit the open looks from 14-18, and become a threat if the defender isn't focused on him. Which is why when Jamal Crawford was there, J-Smoove was able to get plenty of open looks.

Put J-Smoove at PF, and Jeff Green at SF. Those two will be something to definitely watch in the future.

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Getting those two may never work unless we can somehow get rid of Pierce/KG, and Terry. Try to grab a shooter like Redick or Kyle Korver.

I don't see why people assume we won't make it past the first round...

If the chemistry works out fine, then I can foresee us winning 50 games easily in the Eastern Conference.

All I can say is watching these two play with the Celtics will be full of fast breaks, blocks, rebounds, Rondo behind the back passsing/alley ooping to J-Smoove/Big Al. Cold weather havin', Harper ad watching, mid range jumpers getting wet.

Ideally, I hope Fab Melo or our 16th pick assuming we still have it Centers work out. Or we're screwed if those two get injured.





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Re: Would Josh Smith AND Big Al Be Enough?
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2013, 05:26:34 PM »

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big slow al is not coming to boston, end of story. the post player doesnt exist anymore. You want fast quick agile power forwards playing center, not some big old fossil still playing at the post. look at duncan, he doesnt even see playing time against golden state because they are too quick for hiim

I think some post players dominate still.   Al Horford is good.  Boozer is a low post guy.  Greg Monroe is productive.  Hibbert, Blake Griffith and Gasol are decent post guys.  Dwight Howard, Elton Brand and Tim Duncan have all had nice careers.   Aldridge is not bad and AJ is a decent post player.   Many of these guys are or have been all stars.   Tim being too slow has more to do with his age and less to do with his post play.


The only thing that looked useless is your post saying they are fossils.