2013 Patriots Football

[Eja117]

I get if you think the rule is stupid. I don't see the point of it either, I doubt a ton of players got hurt via this tactic.

But why are they supposed to not call it? If you put in a rule about how you're not supposed to block FGs by "x" tactic. If you're not willing to call it during a game winning FG situation then you shouldn't have the rule at all.

This same thing has happened multiple times with the leaping rule when the NFL started enforcing that more strictly. (I can't recall whether it was a new rule or they just started calling it but its also cost teams games early on)

The rule has been in there all year. That's the fist time it has been called. So not only were they not willing to call it in a game winning situation. They weren't willing to call it at all.  Now all of a sudden they do it in a crucial situation. Basically a good game dominated by the arbitrary introduction of a new rule that nobody likes.

How do you feel about the NBA's new post-basket delay of game rules?

They seem a little excessive, but you get a warning first.

[Eja117]

It was technically the right call, but the wrong call to make it in that situation.

It didn't affect the outcome of the play.  The rule was put in place to help with player safety.  That's fine and good, but the right time to call that penalty for the very first time is IN THE PRESEASON.  Not when the call will decide the outcome of the game.

ding ding ding. Correct answer

[D.o.s.]

You're right, the outcome of a game should never hinge on questionable calls invoking suspicious rules.

If the result of this week's call had been to have to kick a field goal in a blizzard, go into OT, and then do it again I'd be more ok with it.

That field goal was exactly like every other in the history of high school, college, and pro football, with the exception that a horrific call was made at exactly the wrong time on a horrific rule.

The tuck rule was actually a real rule, and was actually called correctly.  Weird rule. Eveeennttuaallly they got rid of it I think.

This was actually a real rule, and was actually called correctly.

They did get rid of the tuck rule, it's just A)hilariously giffable, and B)a great example of a similar phenomenon--especially when an earlier poster had said "if they called this in an important game it would ruin football forever..."

So Chris Jones just happened to not push on the other field goals, then suddenly did on this one? And all the other players on both sides too? And every player in every game?  Does the real rule in the rule book say "Refs shall not call this penalty at all during the season till they randomly do it in a crucial situation?"  Because that's what happened. Doesn't get called at all. Then gets called. Total BS. Brady actually did tuck it. That's why it was called the "tuck" rule. Nothing arbitrary about it. It's not like it happened 5 times that game, then suddenly they call it.

Just horrid officiating. This isn't the way people should learn about new rules. It makes me wonder if there's any other bizarre rules out there we don't know about that will be introduced in a crucial situation.

let me preface this--I don't care about the Patriots, or any football team. I watch it, it's fun, but I've got no dog in this fight.

So.

When a ref sees a foul, they throw the flag. That's how rules work. If a ref doesn't see it, they can't issue the penalty.

The fact is--Jones committed the foul. The refs saw it, the correct penalty was assessed. Any grey area here is coming from the fact that, as a fan, your team lost because of a rule that is new, and cost your team the game. QED.

[CelticG1]

Rex Ryan was basically laughing post game talking about how they caught a break.

I'm pretty sure no one in the world outside of that official would have been arguing against that if it was a "non call"

They might as well flag a player for un sportsman like conduct for swearing or talking trash to their opponent. Would be just as stupid even if "technically" you can throw a flag for that.

[Eja117]

You're right, the outcome of a game should never hinge on questionable calls invoking suspicious rules.

If the result of this week's call had been to have to kick a field goal in a blizzard, go into OT, and then do it again I'd be more ok with it.

That field goal was exactly like every other in the history of high school, college, and pro football, with the exception that a horrific call was made at exactly the wrong time on a horrific rule.

The tuck rule was actually a real rule, and was actually called correctly.  Weird rule. Eveeennttuaallly they got rid of it I think.

This was actually a real rule, and was actually called correctly.

They did get rid of the tuck rule, it's just A)hilariously giffable, and B)a great example of a similar phenomenon--especially when an earlier poster had said "if they called this in an important game it would ruin football forever..."

So Chris Jones just happened to not push on the other field goals, then suddenly did on this one? And all the other players on both sides too? And every player in every game?  Does the real rule in the rule book say "Refs shall not call this penalty at all during the season till they randomly do it in a crucial situation?"  Because that's what happened. Doesn't get called at all. Then gets called. Total BS. Brady actually did tuck it. That's why it was called the "tuck" rule. Nothing arbitrary about it. It's not like it happened 5 times that game, then suddenly they call it.

Just horrid officiating. This isn't the way people should learn about new rules. It makes me wonder if there's any other bizarre rules out there we don't know about that will be introduced in a crucial situation.

let me preface this--I don't care about the Patriots, or any football team. I watch it, it's fun, but I've got no dog in this fight.

So.

When a ref sees a foul, they throw the flag. That's how rules work. If a ref doesn't see it, they can't issue the penalty.

The fact is--Jones committed the foul. The refs saw it, the correct penalty was assessed. Any grey area here is coming from the fact that, as a fan, your team lost because of a rule that is new, and cost your team the game. QED.

First ...I reject the premise that Jones committed a penalty that isn't committed by multiple players on every field goal in every game at every level.  Second...let's get this straight.  The refs didn't see this all year, then suddenly choose to out of the blue during a crucial situation, and I'm not supposed to be annoyed because it happened to my team?

People talk about the Patriots getting the calls all the time. Well now they gotta shut up.  And it's not the first time. After Ty Law and Lawyer Malloy mugged the Rams receivers in the Super Bowl they knew Peyton could never win with defenses like that so they made that change pretty quick.

Same thing happened in basketball. Now if you breathe on D Wade, Kobe, or Bron it's a foul.  It is stupid in all said cases.

[D.o.s.]

Again, at the end of the day, it was the right call. This isn't the Golden Tate TD here.

But hey, Brady was playing pretty poorly. Maybe they'll bring Tebow back.

[Rondo2287]

Here is the Gif of when the Jets second level player pushed a player on the line into the formation on the game tieing FG attempt which was not called.

http://boston.barstoolsports.com/around-barstool/well-would-you-look-at-this-the-jets-doing-the-same-exact-thing-as-the-pats-on-our-game-tying-field-goal-with-no-penalty/

[LooseCannon]

Basically a good game dominated by the arbitrary introduction of a new rule that nobody likes.

I wouldn't call it a new rule that nobody likes. 

For those wondering about where it came from, it was basically lobbied for by Washington lineman Will Montgomery.

“They had all the guys there, including [Pro Football Hall of Famer] John Madden, and there’s a good 100-plus people there,” Montgomery told Redskins.com. “I just pulled together about 30 film clips, about 15 of them of just guys just getting their butts kicked and then about another 15 of them with guys doing it the legal and safe way, but still blocking field goals.”

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Montgomery’s inspiration for the change came with personal testimony, as he typically plays the equivalent of the right tackle position during field goal attempts.

“I had a game, we played the Bengals this year, and I had two guys over me and two guys behind them pushing, so it was basically four-on-one,” he said. “My foot slipped and I actually went down and did a split and pulled a hamstring. I’m like ‘man, this is ridiculous.’ Like, it’s literally impossible to hold up that much force.

[PhoSita]

Again, at the end of the day, it was the right call. This isn't the Golden Tate TD here.

But hey, Brady was playing pretty poorly. Maybe they'll bring Tebow back.

It was the right call.

But it was the WRONG time to make that call for the very first time.

I'm of the opinion that the refs should swallow their whistles in crucial game situations like that regardless, unless the foul is absolutely egregious.  But I don't think the refs should ever enforce a rule for the first time in a game that matters.  You can't NOT enforce the rule for nearly half a season and then choose to enforce it when the game is on the line.

[Rondo2287]

Again, at the end of the day, it was the right call. This isn't the Golden Tate TD here.

But hey, Brady was playing pretty poorly. Maybe they'll bring Tebow back.

It was the right call.

But it was the WRONG time to make that call for the very first time.

I'm of the opinion that the refs should swallow their whistles in crucial game situations like that regardless, unless the foul is absolutely egregious.  But I don't think the refs should ever enforce a rule for the first time in a game that matters.  You can't NOT enforce the rule for nearly half a season and then choose to enforce it when the game is on the line.

Especially when with the game on the line for the other team, when a worse infringement took place the same ref didnt make the same call. 

[Eja117]

Again, at the end of the day, it was the right call. This isn't the Golden Tate TD here.

But hey, Brady was playing pretty poorly. Maybe they'll bring Tebow back.

It was the right call.

But it was the WRONG time to make that call for the very first time.

I'm of the opinion that the refs should swallow their whistles in crucial game situations like that regardless, unless the foul is absolutely egregious.  But I don't think the refs should ever enforce a rule for the first time in a game that matters.  You can't NOT enforce the rule for nearly half a season and then choose to enforce it when the game is on the line.

Especially when with the game on the line for the other team, when a worse infringement took place the same ref didnt make the same call.

It's called having a bookie

[Roy H.]

For whatever it's worth, the Pats go away with a last-second no-call in the Saints game:



That's a pretty blatant hold.  The Jets call just evens things out, I guess.  (Or, the Pats are actually ahead, as the refs only called 50% of the last-play penalties that they could have.)

[kozlodoev]

For what it's worth, there is an image of the Saints game circulating around that shows the Patriots doing exactly the same on a Saints FG.

Also, apparently the rule changed between proposal and implementation to include all players and not just the ones not lined up at the line of scrimmage (which, indeed, makes it more ridiculous than it already was).

Also, there was a hold on the Jets left guard on that play which was just as clear a penalty. Of course, we know no-one really calls 90% of the holding that takes place on the LoS. So there.

[kozlodoev]

That's a pretty blatant hold.  The Jets call just evens things out, I guess.  (Or, the Pats are actually ahead, as the refs only called 50% of the last-play penalties that they could have.)

On a related note, what the heck happened to Solder those last three games? He's getting beaten up like a bean bag.

[Eja117]

Does anyone know where Joey Crawford was yesterday and what he was doing?