Rumor: Cs passed on PP & 1st for Smith

[rutzan]

here's the best way to look at it...the best 2 comps on the c's are rondo and green...would you take jones, wright and crowder for rondo or green?  NO WAY...There would be a mutiny!

I think there is a distinct minority on this board who would be outraged if they found out that Ainge turned down a deal of Rondo for Crowder and a useful big like Wright, especially if they thought it would have meant booting Bass out of the starting lineup.

Dallas Mavs

OJ Mayo / 35.7 minutes / Guard
Dirk / 30.8 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Darren Collison / 30.6 minutes / Guard
Shawn Marion / 29.9 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Vince Carter / 25.4 minutes / Guard-Forward / 36 yrs old
Chris Kaman / 22.9 minutes / Center /
Elton Brand / 22.2 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Jae Crowder / 17.0 minutes / Forward
Brandan Wright / 15.0 minutes / Center - Forward
Dahntey Jones / 12.7 minutes / Forward

that's your 8th 9th and 10th rotation players playing behind 4 guys that are all 34 or older on a team that is 11th in the West with a 28 - 33 record

Amazing how you ignore the most important factor, that Rondo is not only signed to a long term deal, but a very team friendly long term deal at that.

If Smith was signed to the same deal as Rondo, then you would be able to get great value in a deal for him. Instead, he's, well, he's an unrestricted free agent who has stated he wants a max deal but in 9 seasons has never made the all-star team.

We will see in a few months when Josh Smith signs his next contract. I think you will be pretty disappointed...i mean happy...i mean disappointed...lol... at what the hawks get in return, if anything, and what Smith gets for a contract...lol...lol..lol...

[LooseCannon]

I wonder how badly Josh Smith's mind has been affected by all those years playing next to Joe Johnson.  Playing next to an inferior player who makes more money may have made him feel like such a victim of injustice that the only appropriate remedy in his mind is to get a max contract and be allowed to take as many shot attempts as Johnson used to.

[hpantazo]

here's the best way to look at it...the best 2 comps on the c's are rondo and green...would you take jones, wright and crowder for rondo or green?  NO WAY...There would be a mutiny!

I think there is a distinct minority on this board who would be outraged if they found out that Ainge turned down a deal of Rondo for Crowder and a useful big like Wright, especially if they thought it would have meant booting Bass out of the starting lineup.

Dallas Mavs

OJ Mayo / 35.7 minutes / Guard
Dirk / 30.8 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Darren Collison / 30.6 minutes / Guard
Shawn Marion / 29.9 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Vince Carter / 25.4 minutes / Guard-Forward / 36 yrs old
Chris Kaman / 22.9 minutes / Center /
Elton Brand / 22.2 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Jae Crowder / 17.0 minutes / Forward
Brandan Wright / 15.0 minutes / Center - Forward
Dahntey Jones / 12.7 minutes / Forward

that's your 8th 9th and 10th rotation players playing behind 4 guys that are all 34 or older on a team that is 11th in the West with a 28 - 33 record

Amazing how you ignore the most important factor, that Rondo is not only signed to a long term deal, but a very team friendly long term deal at that.

If Smith was signed to the same deal as Rondo, then you would be able to get great value in a deal for him. Instead, he's, well, he's an unrestricted free agent who has stated he wants a max deal but in 9 seasons has never made the all-star team.

We will see in a few months when Josh Smith signs his next contract. I think you will be pretty disappointed...i mean happy...i mean disappointed...lol... at what the hawks get in return, if anything, and what Smith gets for a contract...lol...lol..lol...

You cannot compare trading Josh Smith to trading Rondo.If Smith was on a long term deal at Rondo's annual salary, he would be valuable. As an unrestricted FA who wants a max deal, he is not. It is what it is.

I would sign Smith to a Rondo type of deal, but not to a max deal.

[hpantazo]

I wonder how badly Josh Smith's mind has been affected by all those years playing next to Joe Johnson.  Playing next to an inferior player who makes more money may have made him feel like such a victim of injustice that the only appropriate remedy in his mind is to get a max contract and be allowed to take as many shot attempts as Johnson used to.

possibly, but then what was Antoine Walker's excuse for similar reasoning?

[rutzan]

here's the best way to look at it...the best 2 comps on the c's are rondo and green...would you take jones, wright and crowder for rondo or green?  NO WAY...There would be a mutiny!

I think there is a distinct minority on this board who would be outraged if they found out that Ainge turned down a deal of Rondo for Crowder and a useful big like Wright, especially if they thought it would have meant booting Bass out of the starting lineup.

Dallas Mavs

OJ Mayo / 35.7 minutes / Guard
Dirk / 30.8 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Darren Collison / 30.6 minutes / Guard
Shawn Marion / 29.9 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Vince Carter / 25.4 minutes / Guard-Forward / 36 yrs old
Chris Kaman / 22.9 minutes / Center /
Elton Brand / 22.2 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Jae Crowder / 17.0 minutes / Forward
Brandan Wright / 15.0 minutes / Center - Forward
Dahntey Jones / 12.7 minutes / Forward

that's your 8th 9th and 10th rotation players playing behind 4 guys that are all 34 or older on a team that is 11th in the West with a 28 - 33 record

Amazing how you ignore the most important factor, that Rondo is not only signed to a long term deal, but a very team friendly long term deal at that.

If Smith was signed to the same deal as Rondo, then you would be able to get great value in a deal for him. Instead, he's, well, he's an unrestricted free agent who has stated he wants a max deal but in 9 seasons has never made the all-star team.

We will see in a few months when Josh Smith signs his next contract. I think you will be pretty disappointed...i mean happy...i mean disappointed...lol... at what the hawks get in return, if anything, and what Smith gets for a contract...lol...lol..lol...

You cannot compare trading Josh Smith to trading Rondo.If Smith was on a long term deal at Rondo's annual salary, he would be valuable. As an unrestricted FA who wants a max deal, he is not. It is what it is.

I would sign Smith to a Rondo type of deal, but not to a max deal.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1538937-6-nba-teams-guaranteed-to-target-josh-smith-in-2013-free-agency

The 2013 NBA trade deadline came and went, and Josh Smith is still in an Atlanta Hawks uniform despite wide-spread speculation that the Hawks would accept the best available offer to prevent getting nothing at all.

Apparently, Hawks GM Danny Ferry felt that it would be better to roll the dice on a potential sign-and-trade this summer than to sacrifice Smith for pennies on the dollar.

To be sure, there will be a number of teams in the bidding to obtain Smith as a free agent. But only a handful of teams are realistic targets for Smith, who was reported by Ken Berger of CBS Sports.com to be seeking a max contract this summer.

we'll see how good danny ferry and josh smith's agent are...

[BballTim]

here's the best way to look at it...the best 2 comps on the c's are rondo and green...would you take jones, wright and crowder for rondo or green?  NO WAY...There would be a mutiny!

I think there is a distinct minority on this board who would be outraged if they found out that Ainge turned down a deal of Rondo for Crowder and a useful big like Wright, especially if they thought it would have meant booting Bass out of the starting lineup.

Dallas Mavs

OJ Mayo / 35.7 minutes / Guard
Dirk / 30.8 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Darren Collison / 30.6 minutes / Guard
Shawn Marion / 29.9 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Vince Carter / 25.4 minutes / Guard-Forward / 36 yrs old
Chris Kaman / 22.9 minutes / Center /
Elton Brand / 22.2 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Jae Crowder / 17.0 minutes / Forward
Brandan Wright / 15.0 minutes / Center - Forward
Dahntey Jones / 12.7 minutes / Forward

that's your 8th 9th and 10th rotation players playing behind 4 guys that are all 34 or older on a team that is 11th in the West with a 28 - 33 record

Amazing how you ignore the most important factor, that Rondo is not only signed to a long term deal, but a very team friendly long term deal at that.

If Smith was signed to the same deal as Rondo, then you would be able to get great value in a deal for him. Instead, he's, well, he's an unrestricted free agent who has stated he wants a max deal but in 9 seasons has never made the all-star team.

We will see in a few months when Josh Smith signs his next contract. I think you will be pretty disappointed...i mean happy...i mean disappointed...lol... at what the hawks get in return, if anything, and what Smith gets for a contract...lol...lol..lol...

You cannot compare trading Josh Smith to trading Rondo.If Smith was on a long term deal at Rondo's annual salary, he would be valuable. As an unrestricted FA who wants a max deal, he is not. It is what it is.

I would sign Smith to a Rondo type of deal, but not to a max deal.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1538937-6-nba-teams-guaranteed-to-target-josh-smith-in-2013-free-agency

The 2013 NBA trade deadline came and went, and Josh Smith is still in an Atlanta Hawks uniform despite wide-spread speculation that the Hawks would accept the best available offer to prevent getting nothing at all.

Apparently, Hawks GM Danny Ferry felt that it would be better to roll the dice on a potential sign-and-trade this summer than to sacrifice Smith for pennies on the dollar.

To be sure, there will be a number of teams in the bidding to obtain Smith as a free agent. But only a handful of teams are realistic targets for Smith, who was reported by Ken Berger of CBS Sports.com to be seeking a max contract this summer.

we'll see how good danny ferry and josh smith's agent are...

  I may have mentioned this before but my dog was offered a job writing for bleacherreport. She glanced at a few articles and decided she'd stick with eating dog food before she'd post anything on that website. guaranteed-to-target-Josh-Smith = "I don't have any idea whether this is true or not".

[rutzan]

here's the best way to look at it...the best 2 comps on the c's are rondo and green...would you take jones, wright and crowder for rondo or green?  NO WAY...There would be a mutiny!

I think there is a distinct minority on this board who would be outraged if they found out that Ainge turned down a deal of Rondo for Crowder and a useful big like Wright, especially if they thought it would have meant booting Bass out of the starting lineup.

Dallas Mavs

OJ Mayo / 35.7 minutes / Guard
Dirk / 30.8 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Darren Collison / 30.6 minutes / Guard
Shawn Marion / 29.9 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Vince Carter / 25.4 minutes / Guard-Forward / 36 yrs old
Chris Kaman / 22.9 minutes / Center /
Elton Brand / 22.2 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Jae Crowder / 17.0 minutes / Forward
Brandan Wright / 15.0 minutes / Center - Forward
Dahntey Jones / 12.7 minutes / Forward

that's your 8th 9th and 10th rotation players playing behind 4 guys that are all 34 or older on a team that is 11th in the West with a 28 - 33 record

Amazing how you ignore the most important factor, that Rondo is not only signed to a long term deal, but a very team friendly long term deal at that.

If Smith was signed to the same deal as Rondo, then you would be able to get great value in a deal for him. Instead, he's, well, he's an unrestricted free agent who has stated he wants a max deal but in 9 seasons has never made the all-star team.

We will see in a few months when Josh Smith signs his next contract. I think you will be pretty disappointed...i mean happy...i mean disappointed...lol... at what the hawks get in return, if anything, and what Smith gets for a contract...lol...lol..lol...

You cannot compare trading Josh Smith to trading Rondo.If Smith was on a long term deal at Rondo's annual salary, he would be valuable. As an unrestricted FA who wants a max deal, he is not. It is what it is.

I would sign Smith to a Rondo type of deal, but not to a max deal.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1538937-6-nba-teams-guaranteed-to-target-josh-smith-in-2013-free-agency

The 2013 NBA trade deadline came and went, and Josh Smith is still in an Atlanta Hawks uniform despite wide-spread speculation that the Hawks would accept the best available offer to prevent getting nothing at all.

Apparently, Hawks GM Danny Ferry felt that it would be better to roll the dice on a potential sign-and-trade this summer than to sacrifice Smith for pennies on the dollar.

To be sure, there will be a number of teams in the bidding to obtain Smith as a free agent. But only a handful of teams are realistic targets for Smith, who was reported by Ken Berger of CBS Sports.com to be seeking a max contract this summer.

we'll see how good danny ferry and josh smith's agent are...

  I may have mentioned this before but my dog was offered a job writing for bleacherreport. She glanced at a few articles and decided she'd stick with eating dog food before she'd post anything on that website. guaranteed-to-target-Josh-Smith = "I don't have any idea whether this is true or not".

lol...lol...lol...do you have a resume for your dog...i may have a spot for her...can she multi-task...lol...lol...lol...

[rutzan]

here's the best way to look at it...the best 2 comps on the c's are rondo and green...would you take jones, wright and crowder for rondo or green?  NO WAY...There would be a mutiny!

I think there is a distinct minority on this board who would be outraged if they found out that Ainge turned down a deal of Rondo for Crowder and a useful big like Wright, especially if they thought it would have meant booting Bass out of the starting lineup.

Dallas Mavs

OJ Mayo / 35.7 minutes / Guard
Dirk / 30.8 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Darren Collison / 30.6 minutes / Guard
Shawn Marion / 29.9 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Vince Carter / 25.4 minutes / Guard-Forward / 36 yrs old
Chris Kaman / 22.9 minutes / Center /
Elton Brand / 22.2 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Jae Crowder / 17.0 minutes / Forward
Brandan Wright / 15.0 minutes / Center - Forward
Dahntey Jones / 12.7 minutes / Forward

that's your 8th 9th and 10th rotation players playing behind 4 guys that are all 34 or older on a team that is 11th in the West with a 28 - 33 record

Amazing how you ignore the most important factor, that Rondo is not only signed to a long term deal, but a very team friendly long term deal at that.

If Smith was signed to the same deal as Rondo, then you would be able to get great value in a deal for him. Instead, he's, well, he's an unrestricted free agent who has stated he wants a max deal but in 9 seasons has never made the all-star team.

We will see in a few months when Josh Smith signs his next contract. I think you will be pretty disappointed...i mean happy...i mean disappointed...lol... at what the hawks get in return, if anything, and what Smith gets for a contract...lol...lol..lol...

You cannot compare trading Josh Smith to trading Rondo.If Smith was on a long term deal at Rondo's annual salary, he would be valuable. As an unrestricted FA who wants a max deal, he is not. It is what it is.

I would sign Smith to a Rondo type of deal, but not to a max deal.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1538937-6-nba-teams-guaranteed-to-target-josh-smith-in-2013-free-agency

The 2013 NBA trade deadline came and went, and Josh Smith is still in an Atlanta Hawks uniform despite wide-spread speculation that the Hawks would accept the best available offer to prevent getting nothing at all.

Apparently, Hawks GM Danny Ferry felt that it would be better to roll the dice on a potential sign-and-trade this summer than to sacrifice Smith for pennies on the dollar.

To be sure, there will be a number of teams in the bidding to obtain Smith as a free agent. But only a handful of teams are realistic targets for Smith, who was reported by Ken Berger of CBS Sports.com to be seeking a max contract this summer.

we'll see how good danny ferry and josh smith's agent are...

  I may have mentioned this before but my dog was offered a job writing for bleacherreport. She glanced at a few articles and decided she'd stick with eating dog food before she'd post anything on that website. guaranteed-to-target-Josh-Smith = "I don't have any idea whether this is true or not".

fyi...

they're doing something right...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleacher_Report

Bleacher Report was acquired by Turner Broadcasting System (a subsidiary of Time Warner) in August 2012 for an undisclosed sum reportedly near $200 million.[6] CEO Brian Grey has headed the company since July 2010.

[BballTim]

here's the best way to look at it...the best 2 comps on the c's are rondo and green...would you take jones, wright and crowder for rondo or green?  NO WAY...There would be a mutiny!

I think there is a distinct minority on this board who would be outraged if they found out that Ainge turned down a deal of Rondo for Crowder and a useful big like Wright, especially if they thought it would have meant booting Bass out of the starting lineup.

Dallas Mavs

OJ Mayo / 35.7 minutes / Guard
Dirk / 30.8 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Darren Collison / 30.6 minutes / Guard
Shawn Marion / 29.9 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Vince Carter / 25.4 minutes / Guard-Forward / 36 yrs old
Chris Kaman / 22.9 minutes / Center /
Elton Brand / 22.2 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Jae Crowder / 17.0 minutes / Forward
Brandan Wright / 15.0 minutes / Center - Forward
Dahntey Jones / 12.7 minutes / Forward

that's your 8th 9th and 10th rotation players playing behind 4 guys that are all 34 or older on a team that is 11th in the West with a 28 - 33 record

Amazing how you ignore the most important factor, that Rondo is not only signed to a long term deal, but a very team friendly long term deal at that.

If Smith was signed to the same deal as Rondo, then you would be able to get great value in a deal for him. Instead, he's, well, he's an unrestricted free agent who has stated he wants a max deal but in 9 seasons has never made the all-star team.

We will see in a few months when Josh Smith signs his next contract. I think you will be pretty disappointed...i mean happy...i mean disappointed...lol... at what the hawks get in return, if anything, and what Smith gets for a contract...lol...lol..lol...

You cannot compare trading Josh Smith to trading Rondo.If Smith was on a long term deal at Rondo's annual salary, he would be valuable. As an unrestricted FA who wants a max deal, he is not. It is what it is.

I would sign Smith to a Rondo type of deal, but not to a max deal.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1538937-6-nba-teams-guaranteed-to-target-josh-smith-in-2013-free-agency

The 2013 NBA trade deadline came and went, and Josh Smith is still in an Atlanta Hawks uniform despite wide-spread speculation that the Hawks would accept the best available offer to prevent getting nothing at all.

Apparently, Hawks GM Danny Ferry felt that it would be better to roll the dice on a potential sign-and-trade this summer than to sacrifice Smith for pennies on the dollar.

To be sure, there will be a number of teams in the bidding to obtain Smith as a free agent. But only a handful of teams are realistic targets for Smith, who was reported by Ken Berger of CBS Sports.com to be seeking a max contract this summer.

we'll see how good danny ferry and josh smith's agent are...

  I may have mentioned this before but my dog was offered a job writing for bleacherreport. She glanced at a few articles and decided she'd stick with eating dog food before she'd post anything on that website. guaranteed-to-target-Josh-Smith = "I don't have any idea whether this is true or not".

lol...lol...lol...do you have a resume for your dog...i may have a spot for her...can she multi-task...lol...lol...lol...

 I've got to be honest, she's not much of a multi-tasker.

[rutzan]

here's the best way to look at it...the best 2 comps on the c's are rondo and green...would you take jones, wright and crowder for rondo or green?  NO WAY...There would be a mutiny!

I think there is a distinct minority on this board who would be outraged if they found out that Ainge turned down a deal of Rondo for Crowder and a useful big like Wright, especially if they thought it would have meant booting Bass out of the starting lineup.

Dallas Mavs

OJ Mayo / 35.7 minutes / Guard
Dirk / 30.8 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Darren Collison / 30.6 minutes / Guard
Shawn Marion / 29.9 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Vince Carter / 25.4 minutes / Guard-Forward / 36 yrs old
Chris Kaman / 22.9 minutes / Center /
Elton Brand / 22.2 minutes / Forward / 34 yrs old
Jae Crowder / 17.0 minutes / Forward
Brandan Wright / 15.0 minutes / Center - Forward
Dahntey Jones / 12.7 minutes / Forward

that's your 8th 9th and 10th rotation players playing behind 4 guys that are all 34 or older on a team that is 11th in the West with a 28 - 33 record

Amazing how you ignore the most important factor, that Rondo is not only signed to a long term deal, but a very team friendly long term deal at that.

If Smith was signed to the same deal as Rondo, then you would be able to get great value in a deal for him. Instead, he's, well, he's an unrestricted free agent who has stated he wants a max deal but in 9 seasons has never made the all-star team.

We will see in a few months when Josh Smith signs his next contract. I think you will be pretty disappointed...i mean happy...i mean disappointed...lol... at what the hawks get in return, if anything, and what Smith gets for a contract...lol...lol..lol...

You cannot compare trading Josh Smith to trading Rondo.If Smith was on a long term deal at Rondo's annual salary, he would be valuable. As an unrestricted FA who wants a max deal, he is not. It is what it is.

I would sign Smith to a Rondo type of deal, but not to a max deal.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1538937-6-nba-teams-guaranteed-to-target-josh-smith-in-2013-free-agency

The 2013 NBA trade deadline came and went, and Josh Smith is still in an Atlanta Hawks uniform despite wide-spread speculation that the Hawks would accept the best available offer to prevent getting nothing at all.

Apparently, Hawks GM Danny Ferry felt that it would be better to roll the dice on a potential sign-and-trade this summer than to sacrifice Smith for pennies on the dollar.

To be sure, there will be a number of teams in the bidding to obtain Smith as a free agent. But only a handful of teams are realistic targets for Smith, who was reported by Ken Berger of CBS Sports.com to be seeking a max contract this summer.

we'll see how good danny ferry and josh smith's agent are...

  I may have mentioned this before but my dog was offered a job writing for bleacherreport. She glanced at a few articles and decided she'd stick with eating dog food before she'd post anything on that website. guaranteed-to-target-Josh-Smith = "I don't have any idea whether this is true or not".

lol...lol...lol...do you have a resume for your dog...i may have a spot for her...can she multi-task...lol...lol...lol...

 I've got to be honest, she's not much of a multi-tasker.

lol...does she bleed green...lol...

[ejk3489]

Josh Smith / 2012 to 2013 / 9th yr
17.4 pts
8.6 rebs
4.3 assts
2.0 blks
1.2 stls

Antoine Walker's 9th season at the trade deadline that year:

20.4 points
9.4 rebounds
3.7 assists
0.6 blocks
1.2 steals

Looks very similar to Josh Smith's stats at the same point in their careers.

Is that who we should spend big bucks on to build around?

i never said that...never...ever...never...ever...i never advocated trading for josh smith...never ...ever...never...ever...although i would consider it...i will repeat it once again...for the umpteenth time...Ferry will easily do better than Dahntey Jones/6 teams in 10 yrs, Brandan Wright/3 teams in 6 yrs and Jae Crowder/34th Selection in 2012 NBA Draft......guaranteed...please do your self a favor and re-read the whole post...it is actually very irritating to be mis-quoted..because...that means one did not take the time to read what is written...why...i have no clue...it is beyond me...

I'm glad you don't advocate for the celtics trading for Smith, but why do you value him so highly? Ferry lost all leverage when he failed to trade him last year. He can't demand anything in return at this point. There is no reason to think he can do better than what was offered.

btw, Jae Crowder is a very good young player. Brendan Wright is a sold young big man who unfortunately looks like Mark Blount. Jones is there for cap relief.

everyone thought the Magic lost their leverage...

Orlando gets Denver guard Arron Afflalo, Denver forward Al Harrington, Philadelphia small forward Moe Harkless, Philadelphia center Nikola Vucevic, Lakers forward Josh McRoberts, Lakers small forward Christian Eyenga, three future first-round picks (a lottery-protected from the Sixers in 2015, the lower of Denver's two first-rounders in 2014 and the Lakers' 2017 first-rounder) and two second-round picks (from Denver in 2013 and a conditional second-rounder from the Lakers in 2015);

they did pretty good in my book...

was DH more highly valued than Josh Smith at the time...yes...but...now...i think it's a dead heat between the two...

once again...Ferry will easily do better than Dahntey Jones/6 teams in 10 yrs, Brandan Wright/3 teams in 6 yrs and Jae Crowder/34th Selection in 2012 NBA Draft...guaranteed...

ferry lost no leverage...funny thing...he may have more leverage...they might even re-sign him...

It doesn't really matter what Ferry wants. If Josh Smith decides to go to any of these teams that hypothetically should be under the cap this summer and able to pay him, there is nothing he can do about it:

Houston, Dallas, Charlotte, Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee, New Orleans, Orlando, Philadelphia, and Phoenix

Sign and trades are also much more difficult to complete with the new CBA. It is now impossible to deal with teams that are ~$4mil above the luxury tax level, which is estimated to be around $70mil in 2013-14. That would make Brooklyn, Chicago, Denver, Golden State, Lakers, Miami, and New York teams that will be over the tax threshold. (unless my numbers are off)

So realistically, how many teams are out there that

1. Want to trade for Josh Smith
2. Have the ability to sign him to a max contract, and
3. Are a desirable destination to Smith

Not many I'd guess.

IMO, Atlanta will just let him walk and Smith will likely sign with either Houston or Dallas.

[rutzan]

Josh Smith / 2012 to 2013 / 9th yr
17.4 pts
8.6 rebs
4.3 assts
2.0 blks
1.2 stls

Antoine Walker's 9th season at the trade deadline that year:

20.4 points
9.4 rebounds
3.7 assists
0.6 blocks
1.2 steals

Looks very similar to Josh Smith's stats at the same point in their careers.

Is that who we should spend big bucks on to build around?

i never said that...never...ever...never...ever...i never advocated trading for josh smith...never ...ever...never...ever...although i would consider it...i will repeat it once again...for the umpteenth time...Ferry will easily do better than Dahntey Jones/6 teams in 10 yrs, Brandan Wright/3 teams in 6 yrs and Jae Crowder/34th Selection in 2012 NBA Draft......guaranteed...please do your self a favor and re-read the whole post...it is actually very irritating to be mis-quoted..because...that means one did not take the time to read what is written...why...i have no clue...it is beyond me...

I'm glad you don't advocate for the celtics trading for Smith, but why do you value him so highly? Ferry lost all leverage when he failed to trade him last year. He can't demand anything in return at this point. There is no reason to think he can do better than what was offered.

btw, Jae Crowder is a very good young player. Brendan Wright is a sold young big man who unfortunately looks like Mark Blount. Jones is there for cap relief.

everyone thought the Magic lost their leverage...

Orlando gets Denver guard Arron Afflalo, Denver forward Al Harrington, Philadelphia small forward Moe Harkless, Philadelphia center Nikola Vucevic, Lakers forward Josh McRoberts, Lakers small forward Christian Eyenga, three future first-round picks (a lottery-protected from the Sixers in 2015, the lower of Denver's two first-rounders in 2014 and the Lakers' 2017 first-rounder) and two second-round picks (from Denver in 2013 and a conditional second-rounder from the Lakers in 2015);

they did pretty good in my book...

was DH more highly valued than Josh Smith at the time...yes...but...now...i think it's a dead heat between the two...

once again...Ferry will easily do better than Dahntey Jones/6 teams in 10 yrs, Brandan Wright/3 teams in 6 yrs and Jae Crowder/34th Selection in 2012 NBA Draft...guaranteed...

ferry lost no leverage...funny thing...he may have more leverage...they might even re-sign him...

It doesn't really matter what Ferry wants. If Josh Smith decides to go to any of these teams that hypothetically should be under the cap this summer and able to pay him, there is nothing he can do about it:

Houston, Dallas, Charlotte, Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee, New Orleans, Orlando, Philadelphia, and Phoenix

Sign and trades are also much more difficult to complete with the new CBA. It is now impossible to deal with teams that are ~$4mil above the luxury tax level, which is estimated to be around $71mil in 2013-14. That would make Brooklyn, Chicago, Denver, Golden State, Lakers, Miami, and New York all over the tax threshold.

So realistically, how many teams are out there that

1. Want to trade for Josh Smith
2. Have the ability to sign him to a max contract, and
3. Are a desirable destination to Smith

Not many I'd guess.

IMO, Atlanta will just let him walk and Smith will likely sign with either Houston or Dallas.

it will be interesting to see when the real and actual figures come out and who is under the cap and by how much...i actually think they may resign him...

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8971816/josh-smith-remain-atlanta-hawks-not-getting-traded

Hawks general manager Danny Ferry gave a simple explanation why he turned down the chance to trade Josh Smith on Thursday.

"We value Josh," Ferry said.

Ferry shed two big contracts before the season when he traded guard Joe Johnson to the Brooklyn Nets and forward Marvin Williams to Utah.

Those trades created cap space that helped make it easier for Ferry to decide against dealing Smith

[hpantazo]

If Ferry wanted to give Smith a max deal, he would have done it already. I don't see Smith re-signing with the Hawks. He's going to Houston or Dallas, with Phoenix as a darkhorse.

[rutzan]

If Ferry wanted to give Smith a max deal, he would have done it already. I don't see Smith re-signing with the Hawks. He's going to Houston or Dallas, with Phoenix as a darkhorse.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-wholl-have-salary-cap-space-in-2013/

smith will almost certainly get more $ in Atl than anywhere else...

Atlanta Hawks – $18.483 million in salary commitments
The Hawks are set up to be massive cap players in July. They will have to work out the contract situations with Jeff Teague and Josh Smith, but beyond those two almost everyone else is expendable, giving the Hawks what could be as much as $30 million to spend depending on how they manage their rookie scale contracts and pending free agents. New Hawks GM Danny Ferry has been preaching that his moves this summer were about positioning for July of 2013, so it is safe to say the Hawks plan to be aggressive and they should have ample money to pull it off.

Of that bunch Milwaukee Bucks, Houston Rockets, Philadelphia 76ers, Dallas Mavericks, New Orleans Hornets, Toronto Raptors, Golden State Warriors, Minnesota Timberwolves, Sacramento Kings, Orlando Magic, Phoenix Suns, Denver Nuggets and the Los Angeles Clippers could realistically have $10 million or more to spend in July of 2013 depending on how they manage their team options and free agent cap holds.

[hpantazo]

If Ferry wanted to give Smith a max deal, he would have done it already. I don't see Smith re-signing with the Hawks. He's going to Houston or Dallas, with Phoenix as a darkhorse.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-wholl-have-salary-cap-space-in-2013/

smith will almost certainly get more $ in Atl than anywhere else...

Atlanta Hawks – $18.483 million in salary commitments
The Hawks are set up to be massive cap players in July. They will have to work out the contract situations with Jeff Teague and Josh Smith, but beyond those two almost everyone else is expendable, giving the Hawks what could be as much as $30 million to spend depending on how they manage their rookie scale contracts and pending free agents. New Hawks GM Danny Ferry has been preaching that his moves this summer were about positioning for July of 2013, so it is safe to say the Hawks plan to be aggressive and they should have ample money to pull it off.

Of that bunch Milwaukee Bucks, Houston Rockets, Philadelphia 76ers, Dallas Mavericks, New Orleans Hornets, Toronto Raptors, Golden State Warriors, Minnesota Timberwolves, Sacramento Kings, Orlando Magic, Phoenix Suns, Denver Nuggets and the Los Angeles Clippers could realistically have $10 million or more to spend in July of 2013 depending on how they manage their team options and free agent cap holds.

That's right, they are clearing cap space to spend in on players that they believe are worth spending it on, not on Josh Smith, The Hawks are going to make a strong run at Dwight Howard.