2012 CB Draft (4)Celtics Vs (5)Wizards First Round Matchup

[ronaldo943]

Kane, I'm pretty convinced that Gerald Wallace is the difference maker in this series. I worry that your wings are either over the hill or not ready for primetime. How do you plan on limiting Wallace's impact?

First I think Russell Westbrook is by far the difference maker in this series. No one on Washington stands a chance against him. Why do you feel Gerald is such a big factor? He is playing very little PF which is his best position. At SF his quickness and athleticism is neutralized.

Ron Artest I feel confidently about limiting Wallace. In three games this past season Wallace only had one very good game against the Lakers.

Game 1
Wallace had 31 points in 38 minutes on 13-19 shooting. Here is the rub. In that game Artest didn't start. LA was experiencing with him as a sixth man. Poor decision in hindsight. Matt Barnes started and was overmatched by Gerald. Artest only played 17 minutes.

Game 2
Wallace has 7 points in 35 minutes. Artest started and shut him down while he was in there for 25 minutes.

Game 3
Wallace had 19 points but he played 42 minutes. He only had 3 rebs. Artest played 25 minutes and was primarily matched up on Wallace.

While Wallace killed the Matt Barnes matchup he didn't play great against Ron Ron. Ron has the strength and footwork to match up with Gerald - who normally beats up smaller wings or out quickens bigger PFs.

I also feel that Stephen Jackson can match up with him when Artest is not in.

Lol i told you he would come up with a paragraph

[action781]

I don't think Gerald Wallace has an advantage over Ron Artest.

I think Artest can match G.Wallace's physicality and speed + I don't think G.Wallace's skill-level (offensively) is high enough to take advantage of a defender of Artest's ability when lacking a major physical advantage over his opponent.

I think this matchup is neutral.

I agree.  I see MWP's aggressive play bringing down Crash's energy level.  I don't expect Crash to be much of a factor.  Nor do I see MWP being one.

I'm leaning Boston, but I think Lou Williams and co. are going to give Washington a lot of problems in the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

That and Stephen Curry has balled against Westbrook in their 10 career matchups much better than I would have expected him to.  My intuition would have led me to elieve that Westbrook would completely dominate him until I looked at that matchup.

Not so sure anymore...

[Kane3387]

I don't think Gerald Wallace has an advantage over Ron Artest.

I think Artest can match G.Wallace's physicality and speed + I don't think G.Wallace's skill-level (offensively) is high enough to take advantage of a defender of Artest's ability when lacking a major physical advantage over his opponent.

I think this matchup is neutral.

I agree.  I see MWP's aggressive play bringing down Crash's energy level.  I don't expect Crash to be much of a factor.  Nor do I see MWP being one.

I'm leaning Boston, but I think Lou Williams and co. are going to give Washington a lot of problems in the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

That and Stephen Curry has balled against Westbrook in their 10 career matchups much better than I would have expected him to.  My intuition would have led me to elieve that Westbrook would completely dominate him until I looked at that matchup.

Not so sure anymore...

I t wasn't even close this past season. Curry's repetitive ankle surgeries have hurt him.

[ronaldo943]

I don't think Gerald Wallace has an advantage over Ron Artest.

I think Artest can match G.Wallace's physicality and speed + I don't think G.Wallace's skill-level (offensively) is high enough to take advantage of a defender of Artest's ability when lacking a major physical advantage over his opponent.

I think this matchup is neutral.

I agree.  I see MWP's aggressive play bringing down Crash's energy level.  I don't expect Crash to be much of a factor.  Nor do I see MWP being one.

I'm leaning Boston, but I think Lou Williams and co. are going to give Washington a lot of problems in the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

That and Stephen Curry has balled against Westbrook in their 10 career matchups much better than I would have expected him to.  My intuition would have led me to elieve that Westbrook would completely dominate him until I looked at that matchup.

Not so sure anymore...

I hope you mean Lou Williams is going to give Boston problems, also i think our depth is better than theirs and we will have Wallace help Curry out with Westbrook so Westbrook will either have to take tough shots or pass the ball to Ron.

[Kane3387]

Can we get some H2H numbers on Pau and Marc? The rest of the boys? Curry/Westbrook?

I dunno which way I'm leaning yet.

Marc always matched up with Bynum.

I touched on these here.

Pau and Marc's Win Share total were basically identical. . Pau was better at Ast% but his block % was roughly half of his brothers.

Pau had an Ortg of 112, Drtg of 103 and TS% of .547. Marc had an Ortg of 111, Drtg of 99 and TS% of .541. Marcs were right on par with Pau. Pau averaged more points but he also shot the ball three times more per game then Marc. Marc is much better at defending the rim then his brother.

[Kane3387]

I don't think Gerald Wallace has an advantage over Ron Artest.

I think Artest can match G.Wallace's physicality and speed + I don't think G.Wallace's skill-level (offensively) is high enough to take advantage of a defender of Artest's ability when lacking a major physical advantage over his opponent.

I think this matchup is neutral.

I agree.  I see MWP's aggressive play bringing down Crash's energy level.  I don't expect Crash to be much of a factor.  Nor do I see MWP being one.

I'm leaning Boston, but I think Lou Williams and co. are going to give Washington a lot of problems in the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

That and Stephen Curry has balled against Westbrook in their 10 career matchups much better than I would have expected him to.  My intuition would have led me to elieve that Westbrook would completely dominate him until I looked at that matchup.

Not so sure anymore...

I hope you mean Lou Williams is going to give Boston problems, also i think our depth is better than theirs and we will have Wallace help Curry out with Westbrook so Westbrook will either have to take tough shots or pass the ball to Ron.

Lou Williams will hurt you on defense and take away from better options on Offense. Boston will be in transition quite a bit when guys like Smith, Beasley, and Williams are jacking shots. I mean where does all the shots come from for these guys who only know how to contribute by scoring?

[ronaldo943]

I don't think Gerald Wallace has an advantage over Ron Artest.

I think Artest can match G.Wallace's physicality and speed + I don't think G.Wallace's skill-level (offensively) is high enough to take advantage of a defender of Artest's ability when lacking a major physical advantage over his opponent.

I think this matchup is neutral.

I agree.  I see MWP's aggressive play bringing down Crash's energy level.  I don't expect Crash to be much of a factor.  Nor do I see MWP being one.

I'm leaning Boston, but I think Lou Williams and co. are going to give Washington a lot of problems in the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

That and Stephen Curry has balled against Westbrook in their 10 career matchups much better than I would have expected him to.  My intuition would have led me to elieve that Westbrook would completely dominate him until I looked at that matchup.

Not so sure anymore...

I hope you mean Lou Williams is going to give Boston problems, also i think our depth is better than theirs and we will have Wallace help Curry out with Westbrook so Westbrook will either have to take tough shots or pass the ball to Ron.

Lou Williams will hurt you on defense and take away from better options on Offense. Boston will be in transition quite a bit when guys like Smith, Beasley, and Williams are jacking shots. I mean where does all the shots come from for these guys who only know how to contribute by scoring?

Lol its funny that you say that, Westbrook has to take 20 shots a game to score 23 points

[Kane3387]

This past season.

Game 1
Westbrook - 28 points, 11 assts, 7 stls, 6 rebs, and .500 fg%
Curry - 15 points, 6 assays, 2 stls, 2 rebs, and .375 fg%

Game 2
Westbrook - 31 points, 7 assts, 2 stls, 1 rebs, and .571 fg%
Curry - 16 points, 10 assts, 2 stls, 7 rebs, and .777 fg%

Game 3
Westbrook - 18 points, 3 assts, 3 stls, 3 rebs, and .583 fg%
Curry - 11 points, 4 assts, 0 stls, 2 rebs, and .307 fg%

Westbrook left game 3 with an injury in the third qtr.

Curry can't stop Westbrook and no one else on this team can either.

[action781]

I don't think Gerald Wallace has an advantage over Ron Artest.

I think Artest can match G.Wallace's physicality and speed + I don't think G.Wallace's skill-level (offensively) is high enough to take advantage of a defender of Artest's ability when lacking a major physical advantage over his opponent.

I think this matchup is neutral.

I agree.  I see MWP's aggressive play bringing down Crash's energy level.  I don't expect Crash to be much of a factor.  Nor do I see MWP being one.

I'm leaning Boston, but I think Lou Williams and co. are going to give Washington a lot of problems in the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

That and Stephen Curry has balled against Westbrook in their 10 career matchups much better than I would have expected him to.  My intuition would have led me to elieve that Westbrook would completely dominate him until I looked at that matchup.

Not so sure anymore...

I hope you mean Lou Williams is going to give Boston problems, also i think our depth is better than theirs and we will have Wallace help Curry out with Westbrook so Westbrook will either have to take tough shots or pass the ball to Ron.

Lou Williams will hurt you on defense and take away from better options on Offense. Boston will be in transition quite a bit when guys like Smith, Beasley, and Williams are jacking shots. I mean where does all the shots come from for these guys who only know how to contribute by scoring?

I wouldn't be too concerned with DJ Augustin, Gerald Green, S Jackson, T Robinson, and Aaron Gray killing me on the fast break over the course of a series if I were the opposing team.

[ronaldo943]

This past season.

Game 1
Westbrook - 28 points, 11 assts, 7 stls, 6 rebs, and .500 fg%
Curry - 15 points, 6 assays, 2 stls, 2 rebs, and .375 fg%

Game 2
Westbrook - 31 points, 7 assts, 2 stls, 1 rebs, and .571 fg%
Curry - 16 points, 10 assts, 2 stls, 7 rebs, and .777 fg%

Game 3
Westbrook - 18 points, 3 assts, 3 stls, 3 rebs, and .583 fg%
Curry - 11 points, 4 assts, 0 stls, 2 rebs, and .307 fg%

Westbrook left game 3 with an injury in the third qtr.

Curry can't stop Westbrook and no one else on this team can either.

Curry and Wallace will stop Westbrook lets also remember that Westbrook will be playing 40 minutes while Curry plays 30 so Curry will have the energy and if Westbrook is going to take 20 shots to score 23 points im cool with that

[ronaldo943]

I don't think Gerald Wallace has an advantage over Ron Artest.

I think Artest can match G.Wallace's physicality and speed + I don't think G.Wallace's skill-level (offensively) is high enough to take advantage of a defender of Artest's ability when lacking a major physical advantage over his opponent.

I think this matchup is neutral.

I agree.  I see MWP's aggressive play bringing down Crash's energy level.  I don't expect Crash to be much of a factor.  Nor do I see MWP being one.

I'm leaning Boston, but I think Lou Williams and co. are going to give Washington a lot of problems in the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

That and Stephen Curry has balled against Westbrook in their 10 career matchups much better than I would have expected him to.  My intuition would have led me to elieve that Westbrook would completely dominate him until I looked at that matchup.

Not so sure anymore...

I hope you mean Lou Williams is going to give Boston problems, also i think our depth is better than theirs and we will have Wallace help Curry out with Westbrook so Westbrook will either have to take tough shots or pass the ball to Ron.

Lou Williams will hurt you on defense and take away from better options on Offense. Boston will be in transition quite a bit when guys like Smith, Beasley, and Williams are jacking shots. I mean where does all the shots come from for these guys who only know how to contribute by scoring?

I wouldn't be too concerned with DJ Augustin, Gerald Green, S Jackson, T Robinson, and Aaron Gray killing me on the fast break over the course of a series if I were the opposing team.

Lol that is so true action Now i see that you meant that Williams and our backups will give boston problems

[Kane3387]

I don't think Gerald Wallace has an advantage over Ron Artest.

I think Artest can match G.Wallace's physicality and speed + I don't think G.Wallace's skill-level (offensively) is high enough to take advantage of a defender of Artest's ability when lacking a major physical advantage over his opponent.

I think this matchup is neutral.

I agree.  I see MWP's aggressive play bringing down Crash's energy level.  I don't expect Crash to be much of a factor.  Nor do I see MWP being one.

I'm leaning Boston, but I think Lou Williams and co. are going to give Washington a lot of problems in the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

That and Stephen Curry has balled against Westbrook in their 10 career matchups much better than I would have expected him to.  My intuition would have led me to elieve that Westbrook would completely dominate him until I looked at that matchup.

Not so sure anymore...

I hope you mean Lou Williams is going to give Boston problems, also i think our depth is better than theirs and we will have Wallace help Curry out with Westbrook so Westbrook will either have to take tough shots or pass the ball to Ron.

Lou Williams will hurt you on defense and take away from better options on Offense. Boston will be in transition quite a bit when guys like Smith, Beasley, and Williams are jacking shots. I mean where does all the shots come from for these guys who only know how to contribute by scoring?

Lol its funny that you say that, Westbrook has to take 20 shots a game to score 23 points

Lol you keep saying that... Is that your only defense and all you can come up with?

Gasol 14 shots to get 17 points.
Curry 11 shots to get 14 points.
Williams 12 shots to get under 15 points.
Gortat roughly 12 shots to get 15 points.

What is your point?

[Kane3387]

I don't think Gerald Wallace has an advantage over Ron Artest.

I think Artest can match G.Wallace's physicality and speed + I don't think G.Wallace's skill-level (offensively) is high enough to take advantage of a defender of Artest's ability when lacking a major physical advantage over his opponent.

I think this matchup is neutral.

I agree.  I see MWP's aggressive play bringing down Crash's energy level.  I don't expect Crash to be much of a factor.  Nor do I see MWP being one.

I'm leaning Boston, but I think Lou Williams and co. are going to give Washington a lot of problems in the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

That and Stephen Curry has balled against Westbrook in their 10 career matchups much better than I would have expected him to.  My intuition would have led me to elieve that Westbrook would completely dominate him until I looked at that matchup.

Not so sure anymore...

I hope you mean Lou Williams is going to give Boston problems, also i think our depth is better than theirs and we will have Wallace help Curry out with Westbrook so Westbrook will either have to take tough shots or pass the ball to Ron.

Lou Williams will hurt you on defense and take away from better options on Offense. Boston will be in transition quite a bit when guys like Smith, Beasley, and Williams are jacking shots. I mean where does all the shots come from for these guys who only know how to contribute by scoring?

I wouldn't be too concerned with DJ Augustin, Gerald Green, S Jackson, T Robinson, and Aaron Gray killing me on the fast break over the course of a series if I were the opposing team.

Lol that is so true action Now i see that you meant that Williams and our backups will give boston problems

Except look at their mpg..

Westbtook (32)\ Augustine (16)
Hamilton (29) \ Jackson (11) Westbrook ( 8 )
Artest (20) \ Jackson (17) \ Green (11)
Griffin (38) \ Artest (6) \ Robinson or Erden (4)
Gasol (38) \ Gray (7) \ Erden (3)

[Kane3387]

I don't think Gerald Wallace has an advantage over Ron Artest.

I think Artest can match G.Wallace's physicality and speed + I don't think G.Wallace's skill-level (offensively) is high enough to take advantage of a defender of Artest's ability when lacking a major physical advantage over his opponent.

I think this matchup is neutral.

I agree.  I see MWP's aggressive play bringing down Crash's energy level.  I don't expect Crash to be much of a factor.  Nor do I see MWP being one.

I'm leaning Boston, but I think Lou Williams and co. are going to give Washington a lot of problems in the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

That and Stephen Curry has balled against Westbrook in their 10 career matchups much better than I would have expected him to.  My intuition would have led me to elieve that Westbrook would completely dominate him until I looked at that matchup.

Not so sure anymore...

I hope you mean Lou Williams is going to give Boston problems, also i think our depth is better than theirs and we will have Wallace help Curry out with Westbrook so Westbrook will either have to take tough shots or pass the ball to Ron.

Lou Williams will hurt you on defense and take away from better options on Offense. Boston will be in transition quite a bit when guys like Smith, Beasley, and Williams are jacking shots. I mean where does all the shots come from for these guys who only know how to contribute by scoring?

I wouldn't be too concerned with DJ Augustin, Gerald Green, S Jackson, T Robinson, and Aaron Gray killing me on the fast break over the course of a series if I were the opposing team.

Lol that is so true action Now i see that you meant that Williams and our backups will give boston problems

My backups will barely play. I have my Big 3 playing around 40 minutes a game 

[action781]

This past season.

Game 1
Westbrook - 28 points, 11 assts, 7 stls, 6 rebs, and .500 fg%
Curry - 15 points, 6 assays, 2 stls, 2 rebs, and .375 fg%

Game 2
Westbrook - 31 points, 7 assts, 2 stls, 1 rebs, and .571 fg%
Curry - 16 points, 10 assts, 2 stls, 7 rebs, and .777 fg%

Game 3
Westbrook - 18 points, 3 assts, 3 stls, 3 rebs, and .583 fg%
Curry - 11 points, 4 assts, 0 stls, 2 rebs, and .307 fg%

Westbrook left game 3 with an injury in the third qtr.

Curry can't stop Westbrook and no one else on this team can either.

That's what I thought.  While you do have the 3 most relevant games, it is still only a 3 game sample you have here.  The 7 games prior paint another picture.  Think about where Boston stood against Miami after game 5...  You're argument is more sound than the Bos/Mia one, but still not enough for me.  What you do have going for you is my pure intuition... that Russ is just too darn explosive.