2012 CB Draft (4)Celtics Vs (5)Wizards First Round Matchup

[ronaldo943]

Fine i didnt want to do this but i have to as thats all he does:
Blake Griffin wont be as explosive as this is the second time he injures one of his knees and you need your knees.

This kind of injury is no longer a big deal in today's NBA. He will be fine and ready for camp.

Russell Westbrook will only play good if he is shooting good as  whenever he tries to drive it in there will be two guys on him as we dont worry about their floor spacing we dont mind having Artest, Jackson, Rip shooting from downtown the whole game.

None of your bigs are great shot blockers. Russell is one of the best at finishing over and around guys. And in traffic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7h00yyD3AQ

Also i love the fact how he never really mentions Gortat and only compares Marc with Pau
Gortat > Marc

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=gasolma01&p2=gortama01

Marc Gasol outperforms Gortat in every statistical category besides fg%.

All of our bigs average over 1 block a game so they are pretty decent blockers and Westbrook had to shoot 20 shots to get 23 points so we arent really worried since we are playing the

2-3 ZONE

[Fafnir]

Also i love the fact how he never really mentions Gortat and only compares Marc with Pau
Gortat > Marc

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=gasolma01&p2=gortama01

Marc Gasol outperforms Gortat in every statistical category besides fg%.

If you're going to use head to head stats you need to filter out the games where he was just a low minute backup to Dwight Howard.

[Kane3387]

i really dont see any floor spacing on his team unless Griffin or Marc can shoot 3s we will be playing a 2-3 zone as they have no floor spacing sometimes we will change it up and play man to man but for the most part 2-3 zone

Weaknesses of the 2–3 zone

On the other hand, there are many reasons why many coaches prefer not to use the zone. Its strengths can easily become its weaknesses, which include:

Perimeter scoring—because the 2–3 zone often leaves some parts of the perimeter wide open for the opposing offense's long-range shooters, offenses that excel at 3-point shots and mid-range jump shots always have a chance to keep the score even (or, to build large leads). This is probably the 2–3's most obvious Achilles' heel.

I have players who can hit open jump shots. Augustine is still playing 16 mpg and Hamilton can hit open shots all days. The shots we are shooting don't have to be threes. S Jack made teams pay all playoffs for being left open. Gerald Green also shot 39% from three. People are underselling some of my shooters. Again it's not all threes.

Rebounding—in man-to-man defense, defensive players know who to "block out" if the shot misses, and an offensive rebound's attempted; each defender covers the individual offensive player they're assigned to personally defend. However, in the 2–3 zone, defensive players do not guard individuals, only areas of the court (zones); so, it is more difficult to quickly and accurately assess where the offensive players are, and which defensive players are supposed to block them out. As a result, 2–3 zones often yield more rebounds for the opposing offense, which can tire out a defense, and/or put them far behind in scoring.

My team will dominate you on the offensive boards if you use this strategy. Griffin is the best rebounder in the series and Westbrook is relentless. Gasol is no joke either. You make yourself very vulnerable to giving up second chance points when going zone. Teams try to do this against Rose and the Bulls all the time. They see a quartet of Deng, Boozer, Brewer, and Noah as a poor shooting team around Rose. Ulitmately the Bulls dominate in terms of rebounding however.

Gaps in the zone—there are a few areas on the court that often cause breakdowns in the 2–3 zone, especially at the high-post area. The high post/free throw line area (i.e., the center of the 2–3 zone) is often a weak spot in the zone that is exploited by the offense. Multiple defensive players tend to "collapse" (i.e., converge at once) on an offensive player who has the ball in this part of the zone, leaving other offensive players unguarded on the wings, blocks, and/or baseline areas.

Westbrook and Griffin are both great cutters. Griffin especially from the baseline. Gasol is awesome at hitting cutters and DJ will see more minutes if you choose to go with this strategy.

Degree of difficulty—because the 2–3 zone relies so heavily on well-timed teamwork, each individual player must know exactly where to be at all times. Because a zone defense is more complex than simply following one player always following his counterpart around the court, there is a higher probability that at least one defensive player will forget which opposing player he/she was assigned to guard. Players must be extremely practiced and knowledgeable to run a 2–3 zone correctly.

Overall your team has poor individual defenders. The only guy on your team who commits to it completely is Wallace. Pau and Gortat are inconsistent and forget about guys like Beasley, Williams, and JR. Billups and Curry are too physically deficient to do it. The 2-3 requires a lot of rotating and attention to detail. You have to be on the string. Don't forget that guys don't always have to shoot. They can cut like Avery Bradley does too.

[ronaldo943]

Also i forgot to mention that we have Stiemsma so he is a pretty good shotblocker do you want me to play him?

[ronaldo943]

i really dont see any floor spacing on his team unless Griffin or Marc can shoot 3s we will be playing a 2-3 zone as they have no floor spacing sometimes we will change it up and play man to man but for the most part 2-3 zone

Weaknesses of the 2–3 zone

On the other hand, there are many reasons why many coaches prefer not to use the zone. Its strengths can easily become its weaknesses, which include:

Perimeter scoring—because the 2–3 zone often leaves some parts of the perimeter wide open for the opposing offense's long-range shooters, offenses that excel at 3-point shots and mid-range jump shots always have a chance to keep the score even (or, to build large leads). This is probably the 2–3's most obvious Achilles' heel.

I have players who can hit open jump shots. Augustine is still playing 16 mpg and Hamilton can hit open shots all days. The shots we are shooting don't have to be threes. S Jack made teams pay all playoffs for being left open. Gerald Green also shot 39% from three. People are underselling some of my shooters. Again it's not all threes.

Rebounding—in man-to-man defense, defensive players know who to "block out" if the shot misses, and an offensive rebound's attempted; each defender covers the individual offensive player they're assigned to personally defend. However, in the 2–3 zone, defensive players do not guard individuals, only areas of the court (zones); so, it is more difficult to quickly and accurately assess where the offensive players are, and which defensive players are supposed to block them out. As a result, 2–3 zones often yield more rebounds for the opposing offense, which can tire out a defense, and/or put them far behind in scoring.

My team will dominate you on the offensive boards if you use this strategy. Griffin is the best rebounder in the series and Westbrook is relentless. Gasol is no joke either. You make yourself very vulnerable to giving up second chance points when going zone. Teams try to do this against Rose and the Bulls all the time. They see a quartet of Deng, Boozer, Brewer, and Noah as a poor shooting team around Rose. Ulitmately the Bulls dominate in terms of rebounding however.

Gaps in the zone—there are a few areas on the court that often cause breakdowns in the 2–3 zone, especially at the high-post area. The high post/free throw line area (i.e., the center of the 2–3 zone) is often a weak spot in the zone that is exploited by the offense. Multiple defensive players tend to "collapse" (i.e., converge at once) on an offensive player who has the ball in this part of the zone, leaving other offensive players unguarded on the wings, blocks, and/or baseline areas.

Westbrook and Griffin are both great cutters. Griffin especially from the baseline. Gasol is awesome at hitting cutters and DJ will see more minutes if you choose to go with this strategy.

Degree of difficulty—because the 2–3 zone relies so heavily on well-timed teamwork, each individual player must know exactly where to be at all times. Because a zone defense is more complex than simply following one player always following his counterpart around the court, there is a higher probability that at least one defensive player will forget which opposing player he/she was assigned to guard. Players must be extremely practiced and knowledgeable to run a 2–3 zone correctly.

Overall your team has poor individual defenders. The only guy on your team who commits to it completely is Wallace. Pau and Gortat are inconsistent and forget about guys like Beasley, Williams, and JR. Billups and Curry are too physically deficient to do it. The 2-3 requires a lot of rotating and attention to detail. You have to be on the string. Don't forget that guys don't always have to shoot. They can cut like Avery Bradley does too.

You clearly did not see the stats i put of Hamilton he is not that good of a shooter as you think he is Augustin is not that good either, also i did say we will play man to man sometimes but mainly 2-3 zone.

My bigs are also better rebounders then your bigs
In Rebounds Per 48:
Marcin Gortat 13th place
Blake Griffin 18th place
Pau Gasol 26th place
Marc Gasol 46th place

[Who]

I find this thread hard to read / follow.

[Kane3387]

Also i love the fact how he never really mentions Gortat and only compares Marc with Pau
Gortat > Marc

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=gasolma01&p2=gortama01

Marc Gasol outperforms Gortat in every statistical category besides fg%.

If you're going to use head to head stats you need to filter out the games where he was just a low minute backup to Dwight Howard.

Ok. That is fine.

The three games last season.

Game 1
Gasol - 18 pts, 13 rebs, 4 blks, and .500 fg%
Gortat - 13 pts, 12 rebs, 1 blk  and .353 fg%

Game 2
Gasol - 21 pts, 8 rebs, 3 blks and .467 fg%
Gortat - 15 pts, 9 rebs, 0 blks and .667 fg%

Game 3
Gasol - 8 pts, 7 rebs, 0 blks, and .500 fg%
Gortat - 19 pts, 5 rebs, 0 blks, and .750 fg%

Keep in mind Gasol in game three played 12 less minutes because of could trouble. Also Gortat is not playing with Steve Nash spoon feeding him layups.

Gortat had a Win Share of 7.6 and Gasol had one of 8.2. Gasol had a Drtg of 99 and Gortat 103. Gasol had a Ortg of 111 and Gortat of 115.

I said above that it was possible for their bigs to match mine. I have not run from Gasol compared to Gortat.

[Kane3387]

Also i forgot to mention that we have Stiemsma so he is a pretty good shotblocker do you want me to play him?

Lol yes. My guys like going to the foul line and they are very good at that also. 

[ronaldo943]

I find this thread hard to read / follow.

Im sorry Kane blew up the thread by putting post after post i guess he did it so people wouldnt see what i wrote

[ronaldo943]

Also i love the fact how he never really mentions Gortat and only compares Marc with Pau
Gortat > Marc

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=gasolma01&p2=gortama01

Marc Gasol outperforms Gortat in every statistical category besides fg%.

If you're going to use head to head stats you need to filter out the games where he was just a low minute backup to Dwight Howard.

Ok. That is fine.

The three games last season.

Game 1
Gasol - 18 pts, 13 rebs, 4 blks, and .500 fg%
Gortat - 13 pts, 12 rebs, 1 blk  and .353 fg%

Game 2
Gasol - 21 pts, 8 rebs, 3 blks and .467 fg%
Gortat - 15 pts, 9 rebs, 0 blks and .667 fg%

Game 3
Gasol - 8 pts, 7 rebs, 0 blks, and .500 fg%
Gortat - 19 pts, 5 rebs, 0 blks, and .750 fg%

Keep in mind Gasol in game three played 12 less minutes because of could trouble. Also Gortat is not playing with Steve Nash spoon feeding him layups.

Gortat had a Win Share of 7.6 and Gasol had one of 8.2. Gasol had a Drtg of 99 and Gortat 103. Gasol had a Ortg of 111 and Gortat of 115.

I said above that it was possible for their bigs to match mine. I have not run from Gasol compared to Gortat.

So what you are saying is that Gortat is better than Gasol thanks Its about time we got that through your head

[Kane3387]

i really dont see any floor spacing on his team unless Griffin or Marc can shoot 3s we will be playing a 2-3 zone as they have no floor spacing sometimes we will change it up and play man to man but for the most part 2-3 zone

Weaknesses of the 2–3 zone

On the other hand, there are many reasons why many coaches prefer not to use the zone. Its strengths can easily become its weaknesses, which include:

Perimeter scoring—because the 2–3 zone often leaves some parts of the perimeter wide open for the opposing offense's long-range shooters, offenses that excel at 3-point shots and mid-range jump shots always have a chance to keep the score even (or, to build large leads). This is probably the 2–3's most obvious Achilles' heel.

I have players who can hit open jump shots. Augustine is still playing 16 mpg and Hamilton can hit open shots all days. The shots we are shooting don't have to be threes. S Jack made teams pay all playoffs for being left open. Gerald Green also shot 39% from three. People are underselling some of my shooters. Again it's not all threes.

Rebounding—in man-to-man defense, defensive players know who to "block out" if the shot misses, and an offensive rebound's attempted; each defender covers the individual offensive player they're assigned to personally defend. However, in the 2–3 zone, defensive players do not guard individuals, only areas of the court (zones); so, it is more difficult to quickly and accurately assess where the offensive players are, and which defensive players are supposed to block them out. As a result, 2–3 zones often yield more rebounds for the opposing offense, which can tire out a defense, and/or put them far behind in scoring.

My team will dominate you on the offensive boards if you use this strategy. Griffin is the best rebounder in the series and Westbrook is relentless. Gasol is no joke either. You make yourself very vulnerable to giving up second chance points when going zone. Teams try to do this against Rose and the Bulls all the time. They see a quartet of Deng, Boozer, Brewer, and Noah as a poor shooting team around Rose. Ulitmately the Bulls dominate in terms of rebounding however.

Gaps in the zone—there are a few areas on the court that often cause breakdowns in the 2–3 zone, especially at the high-post area. The high post/free throw line area (i.e., the center of the 2–3 zone) is often a weak spot in the zone that is exploited by the offense. Multiple defensive players tend to "collapse" (i.e., converge at once) on an offensive player who has the ball in this part of the zone, leaving other offensive players unguarded on the wings, blocks, and/or baseline areas.

Westbrook and Griffin are both great cutters. Griffin especially from the baseline. Gasol is awesome at hitting cutters and DJ will see more minutes if you choose to go with this strategy.

Degree of difficulty—because the 2–3 zone relies so heavily on well-timed teamwork, each individual player must know exactly where to be at all times. Because a zone defense is more complex than simply following one player always following his counterpart around the court, there is a higher probability that at least one defensive player will forget which opposing player he/she was assigned to guard. Players must be extremely practiced and knowledgeable to run a 2–3 zone correctly.

Overall your team has poor individual defenders. The only guy on your team who commits to it completely is Wallace. Pau and Gortat are inconsistent and forget about guys like Beasley, Williams, and JR. Billups and Curry are too physically deficient to do it. The 2-3 requires a lot of rotating and attention to detail. You have to be on the string. Don't forget that guys don't always have to shoot. They can cut like Avery Bradley does too.

You clearly did not see the stats i put of Hamilton he is not that good of a shooter as you think he is Augustin is not that good either, also i did say we will play man to man sometimes but mainly 2-3 zone.

My bigs are also better rebounders then your bigs
In Rebounds Per 48:
Marcin Gortat 13th place
Blake Griffin 18th place
Pau Gasol 26th place
Marc Gasol 46th place

The fact is the 2-3 zone makes you vulnerable and their Rebs Per 48 minutes are not that far off.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/year/2012/seasontype/2

[KCattheStripe]

Kane, I'm pretty convinced that Gerald Wallace is the difference maker in this series. I worry that your wings are either over the hill or not ready for primetime. How do you plan on limiting Wallace's impact?

[indeedproceed]

Can we get some H2H numbers on Pau and Marc? The rest of the boys? Curry/Westbrook?

I dunno which way I'm leaning yet.

[ronaldo943]

i really dont see any floor spacing on his team unless Griffin or Marc can shoot 3s we will be playing a 2-3 zone as they have no floor spacing sometimes we will change it up and play man to man but for the most part 2-3 zone

Weaknesses of the 2–3 zone

On the other hand, there are many reasons why many coaches prefer not to use the zone. Its strengths can easily become its weaknesses, which include:

Perimeter scoring—because the 2–3 zone often leaves some parts of the perimeter wide open for the opposing offense's long-range shooters, offenses that excel at 3-point shots and mid-range jump shots always have a chance to keep the score even (or, to build large leads). This is probably the 2–3's most obvious Achilles' heel.

I have players who can hit open jump shots. Augustine is still playing 16 mpg and Hamilton can hit open shots all days. The shots we are shooting don't have to be threes. S Jack made teams pay all playoffs for being left open. Gerald Green also shot 39% from three. People are underselling some of my shooters. Again it's not all threes.

Rebounding—in man-to-man defense, defensive players know who to "block out" if the shot misses, and an offensive rebound's attempted; each defender covers the individual offensive player they're assigned to personally defend. However, in the 2–3 zone, defensive players do not guard individuals, only areas of the court (zones); so, it is more difficult to quickly and accurately assess where the offensive players are, and which defensive players are supposed to block them out. As a result, 2–3 zones often yield more rebounds for the opposing offense, which can tire out a defense, and/or put them far behind in scoring.

My team will dominate you on the offensive boards if you use this strategy. Griffin is the best rebounder in the series and Westbrook is relentless. Gasol is no joke either. You make yourself very vulnerable to giving up second chance points when going zone. Teams try to do this against Rose and the Bulls all the time. They see a quartet of Deng, Boozer, Brewer, and Noah as a poor shooting team around Rose. Ulitmately the Bulls dominate in terms of rebounding however.

Gaps in the zone—there are a few areas on the court that often cause breakdowns in the 2–3 zone, especially at the high-post area. The high post/free throw line area (i.e., the center of the 2–3 zone) is often a weak spot in the zone that is exploited by the offense. Multiple defensive players tend to "collapse" (i.e., converge at once) on an offensive player who has the ball in this part of the zone, leaving other offensive players unguarded on the wings, blocks, and/or baseline areas.

Westbrook and Griffin are both great cutters. Griffin especially from the baseline. Gasol is awesome at hitting cutters and DJ will see more minutes if you choose to go with this strategy.

Degree of difficulty—because the 2–3 zone relies so heavily on well-timed teamwork, each individual player must know exactly where to be at all times. Because a zone defense is more complex than simply following one player always following his counterpart around the court, there is a higher probability that at least one defensive player will forget which opposing player he/she was assigned to guard. Players must be extremely practiced and knowledgeable to run a 2–3 zone correctly.

Overall your team has poor individual defenders. The only guy on your team who commits to it completely is Wallace. Pau and Gortat are inconsistent and forget about guys like Beasley, Williams, and JR. Billups and Curry are too physically deficient to do it. The 2-3 requires a lot of rotating and attention to detail. You have to be on the string. Don't forget that guys don't always have to shoot. They can cut like Avery Bradley does too.

You clearly did not see the stats i put of Hamilton he is not that good of a shooter as you think he is Augustin is not that good either, also i did say we will play man to man sometimes but mainly 2-3 zone.

My bigs are also better rebounders then your bigs
In Rebounds Per 48:
Marcin Gortat 13th place
Blake Griffin 18th place
Pau Gasol 26th place
Marc Gasol 46th place

The fact is the 2-3 zone makes you vulnerable and their Rebs Per 48 minutes are not that far off.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/year/2012/seasontype/2

Well Pau has Marc by 1.7 and Gortat has Griffin by .6 and then we also have Hawes coming off the bench

[Who]

Westbtook (32)\ Augustine (16)
Hamilton (29) \ Jackson (11) Westbrook ( 8 )
Artest (20) \ Jackson (17) \ Green (11)
Griffin (38) \ Artest (6) \ Robinson or Erden (4)
Gasol (38) \ Gray (7) \ Erden (3)

Steph Curry (30) Lou Williams (18)
J.R. Smith (24)  Chauncey Billups (15) Lou Williams (9)
Gerald Wallace (32) Michael Beasley (8] Steve Novak (8]
Pau Gasol (34) Spencer Hawes (4) Steve Novak (10)
Marcin Gortat (32) Spencer Hawes (16)

I just want to see the two teams alongside one another so I'll write that here:

Starters
PG = Westbrook vs Steph Curry
SG = Rip vs JR Smith
SF = Artest vs G-Wallace
PF = B.Griffin vs P.Gasol
C  = M.Gasol vs Gortat

Bench
PG = DJ Augustin vs Lou Williams
SG = G.Green vs C.Billups
SF = S.Jackson vs M.Beasley
PF = T.Robinson vs S.Novak
C  = A.Gray vs S.Hawes

Who are the two team's Head Coaches?