2012 - CB draft board "Let's get it on!"

[celticpride07]

Billups
Monta/lee
6.3
Ibaka
Gasol/Perkins

Watch out Dwight!

[Gainesville Celtic]

6.18 is availabe if youre interested...

[Gainesville Celtic]

Trade:

OKC Sends: Blake Griffin, 8.24, 10.16
NYK Sends: Serge Ibaka, Kendrick Perkins, Courtney Lee

Like the Knicks going for it though I'm not sure it'll be quite enough to compete. What's the updated roster there?

Ricky Rubio
Carmelo Anthiny
Blake Griffin
Andrea Bargnani
And a ton of picks to fill out roster.

Doesn't matter anymore, pal. The games over.

and if you missed it y'all... this is the 2nd time it ended this weekend! 

[Gomesfan]

Trike of thumb.....don't make the best team better or everyone will hate you! Lol

[Roy H.]

Trade

Lowry, 6.21, 11.20, 13.20

for

Irving, 10.15, 11.1, 12.15

I cannot find a metaphor to describe this that I think is a fair indicator of how I feel about this trade.

3.11, 6.21, 11.20, 13.20

for

1.18, 10.15, 11.1, 12.15

I'm just pretty much flabbergasted.

Didn't you tell us that you can't judge a trade by draft position?  (And genuinely, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but it seems like something you would agree with.  Especially if we start charting out your trades.  )

In terms of my perspective, I like the trade for Edgar and I, obviously.  I love Kyrie Irving, maybe more than anybody else in this draft (except for maybe nick).  I've called him a superstar, and I was candid with Yoki about that.

But here's the other side, from Yoki's perspective:  Argubaly, Lowry and Irving aren't far off in their present capability.  Lowry is a better defender, a better rebounder, and a better passer, and he's also a very good scorer.  He's a better fit in Yoki's backcourt, because he and MKG can shut opposing players down.  With Bogut as a backstop and Barnes / Young patrolling the perimeter, teams will have a very hard time scoring on that team.

Plus, at 6.21, he's going to get a quality starter.  We're talking about the 141st pick in this draft.  For perspective, there are 150 NBA starters.  That means you're getting the equivalent of a starting-caliber player.

I essentially traded Steph Curry for Kyle Lowry.  I see them as pretty equal players.  If this was Curry + a 6th for Kyrie, I doubt anybody would think it was unfair.  I think there's a lot of good for Yoki in this deal.

(Fully prepared for IP to call that opinion "hot garbage" again. )

[WeMadeIt17]

Maybe looking to move bargs send me something!

[jgod213]

so many shakedowns.

[Who]

Not so concerned about Dallas giving up Danny Granger anymore. Actually, not at all concerned.

Kyrie Irving is already a very strong shot-creator and scorer. Very efficient. A better scorer than Granger. He will be a wonderful complement to LeBron's game.

Ben Gordon can provide a third option off the bench. Jeff Green a fourth option as a PF offensively (because teams will put their PF on him instead of LeBron). So those two guys are good for 30-35 points a night behind LeBron and Kyrie.

Plus, Varejao's interior defense and rebounding along with Elton Brand as the main backup big man.

A very well-built team that will be very difficult to beat.

[Fafnir]

Trade

Lowry, 6.21, 11.20, 13.20

for

Irving, 10.15, 11.1, 12.15

Terrible trade. I thought Lowry outplayed Kyrie last year but there is no way that is going to continue to happen going forward. Irving should surpass Lowry next season or least move past him by his third year.

The Cavs were a team built for the future. Not a win-now team. It's a terrible move to sacrifice Irving's potential (as a top five PG) for a guy like Kyle Lowry (a low level star who looks to be a third to fourth best player on a dominant team).

You don't sacrifice top tier talent for role players.

Yeah that's the biggest issue. I don't think Irving is all that much better than Lowry right now, but going forward?

[indeedproceed]

Trade:

OKC Sends: Blake Griffin, 8.24, 10.16
NYK Sends: Serge Ibaka, Kendrick Perkins, Courtney Lee

Like the Knicks going for it though I'm not sure it'll be quite enough to compete. What's the updated roster there?

Ricky Rubio
Carmelo Anthiny
Blake Griffin
Andrea Bargnani
And a ton of picks to fill out roster.

Doesn't matter anymore, pal. The games over.

Really? This trade is really terrible for Yoki, but does it really make the Cavs all that much better? Lowry is the better rebounder, defender, and passer, and still managed to score well as a first option. When he was healthy, he was a better player than Irving last season.

Irving should continue to improve, but his real value is that in 2-3 years or so, he should be at or near the list of point guards in the entire league. I'm not really sure this makes the Mavs better, I think you could argue it hurts them this year.

[Roy H.]

Not so concerned about Dallas giving up Danny Granger anymore. Actually, not at all concerned.

Kyrie Irving is already a very strong shot-creator and scorer. Very efficient. A better scorer than Granger. He will be a wonderful complement to LeBron's game.

Ben Gordon can provide a third option off the bench. Jeff Green a fourth option as a PF offensively (because teams will put their PF on him instead of LeBron). So those two guys are good for 30-35 points a night behind LeBron and Kyrie.

Plus, Varejao's interior defense and rebounding along with Elton Brand as the main backup big man.

A very well-built team that will be very difficult to beat.

[StartOrien]

It annoys me that you tried to justify that for Yoki, Roy. Why couldn't you just continue your Chester cat impression? At least I could get some enjoyment out of that. 

Yoki adds a starting caliber point guard, who's absolutely hit his ceiling, to a team that's going no where. It's unjustifiable by every means. There's no two ways about it.

[Who]

trade

Boston get 8.19 and Miami get Anthony Randolph

Nice trade for Boston. Got some value for A.Randolph.

[jgod213]

It annoys me that you tried to justify that for Yoki, Roy. Why couldn't you just continue your Chester cat impression? At least I could get some enjoyment out of that. 

Yoki adds a starting caliber point guard, who's absolutely hit his ceiling, to a team that's going no where. It's unjustifiable by every means. There's no two ways about it.

it's either hop on board the shakedown train or watch the finals from the sidelines, SO.

[Roy H.]

Really? This trade is really terrible for Yoki, but does it really make the Cavs all that much better? Lowry is the better rebounder, defender, and passer, and still managed to score well as a first option. When he was healthy, he was a better player than Irving last season.

Irving should continue to improve, but his real value is that in 2-3 years or so, he should be at or near the list of point guards in the entire league. I'm not really sure this makes the Mavs better, I think you could argue it hurts them this year.

You could argue it, but I don't think you can argue it successfully.

Kyrie is the dominant second scorer that Lebron needs.  The passing / rebounding differentials don't matter all that much on a Lebron team, because he's going to be sharing ball-handling duties. 

An ultra-efficient, superstar-level point guard is going to get more open looks now.  In the real NBA, I think Irving will explode.  In the CB Draft NBA, he's going to be killer.  And lest people say I'm advocating, I said the same thing when you drafted him, comparing him to D. Wade in terms of his effect on your offense.