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Re: Sullinger
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2012, 03:54:53 PM »

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That's high praise.  I hope you're right.

I just found this. Looks like I have good company in observation :-)

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-03-22/ohio-state-forward-jared-sullinger-named-sporting-news-freshman-of-the-year?story-topic-NCAAB=Golf

Sadly, that comparison was to Dantley's rebounding. ;)  5.7 boards per game career average and a career 8.6% TRB%.  That's danging with faint praise if I ever heard it.  I'm much more agreeable to the Wes Unseld comparison!  (13.8 rebounds; 18.0% TRB%)


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Re: Sullinger
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2012, 03:57:09 PM »

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Sam Amico: NBA scout: "I guarantee either Sullinger or Perry Jones has a better career than at least 4 of the players drafted in top 10 this year.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz209lcrCii

Of course, it's Amico, so his "scout" could be somebody on CelticsBlog.  In fact, I agree with that quote, so maybe he just grabbed one of my posts. ;)

I like this one from Amico:.Well, it's only been 2 games, but Jared Sullinger (Celtics) far and away best player in Orlando summer league


Re: Sullinger
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2012, 03:59:40 PM »

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Thorpe has some high praise as well..

"Consider that Kevin Love and DaJuan Blair lost about 100 lbs after getting drafted. Sullinger will drop 25 with ease"

and...

"And he will play next to KG in the playoffs and give Bosh problems"

Lots of hype over a celtics rookie and I love it haha. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.



Re: Sullinger
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2012, 04:01:53 PM »

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Thorpe has some high praise as well..

"Consider that Kevin Love and DaJuan Blair lost about 100 lbs after getting drafted. Sullinger will drop 25 with ease"

and...

"And he will play next to KG in the playoffs and give Bosh problems"

Lots of hype over a celtics rookie and I love it haha. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.




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Re: Sullinger
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2012, 04:13:45 PM »

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That's high praise.  I hope you're right.

I just found this. Looks like I have good company in observation :-)

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-03-22/ohio-state-forward-jared-sullinger-named-sporting-news-freshman-of-the-year?story-topic-NCAAB=Golf

Sadly, that comparison was to Dantley's rebounding. ;)  5.7 boards per game career average and a career 8.6% TRB%.  That's danging with faint praise if I ever heard it.  I'm much more agreeable to the Wes Unseld comparison!  (13.8 rebounds; 18.0% TRB%)

All very true, but Dantleys remarkable ability to get oposing players into foul trouble is something I see with Sullinger.

When post players are shorter, they generally have to have a higher BBIQ to survive amongst the trees. That is true of Sully.

I can see alot of games where he will be getting Boston into the penalty or shooting lots of free throws, especially past his rookie season when refs start to give alot more respect.

Dantley didnt have lift either. I also see alot of ego in him. Another Dantley trait :-)

The player I wanted was Royce White. He is a superior athlete to Sullinger, a different type of player totally actually, but Houston coveted him. I think once Sullinger gets into stride in this league he will be a work of art.

Re: Sullinger
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2012, 04:17:19 PM »

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Reminds me of Adrian Dantley.

Undersized somewhat, lots of his moves look awkward and downright lucky, but he just scores.

And I am fine with that as Dantley was one of the games great scorers.

In 20 minuted of summer league play, he reminds you of the highest point per shot non-center in NBA history?

I hope you are right.  The only things that reminds me of AD is that Sully has a big butt and good hands. Dantley was a unique player who was just as much of a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. to  cover on the floor in isolation as in the low post. Sully doesn't have that kind of drive and pull up game as AD. 

I did like how he put the ball on the floor at the three point line and made a strong lay in at the rim. i'm going to stand by my early,  green-tinged  glasses prediction that Sully with be on the rookie first team if he gets PT.     

Re: Sullinger
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2012, 04:25:26 PM »

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That's high praise.  I hope you're right.

I just found this. Looks like I have good company in observation :-)

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-03-22/ohio-state-forward-jared-sullinger-named-sporting-news-freshman-of-the-year?story-topic-NCAAB=Golf

Sadly, that comparison was to Dantley's rebounding. ;)  5.7 boards per game career average and a career 8.6% TRB%.  That's danging with faint praise if I ever heard it.  I'm much more agreeable to the Wes Unseld comparison!  (13.8 rebounds; 18.0% TRB%)

All very true, but Dantleys remarkable ability to get oposing players into foul trouble is something I see with Sullinger.

When post players are shorter, they generally have to have a higher BBIQ to survive amongst the trees. That is true of Sully.

I can see alot of games where he will be getting Boston into the penalty or shooting lots of free throws, especially past his rookie season when refs start to give alot more respect.

Dantley didnt have lift either. I also see alot of ego in him. Another Dantley trait :-)

The player I wanted was Royce White. He is a superior athlete to Sullinger, a different type of player totally actually, but Houston coveted him. I think once Sullinger gets into stride in this league he will be a work of art.

How about Dantley's scoring with Unseld's defense and rebounding?  We'd be looking at a first ballot Hall of Famer.  ;D  Well, probably not, but it's fun to think about.


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Re: Sullinger
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2012, 04:26:48 PM »

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I like this one from Amico:.Well, it's only been 2 games, but Jared Sullinger (Celtics) far and away best player in Orlando summer league

I'd probably give best player, so far, to Nicholson, with Sully a close 2nd.

Re: Sullinger
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2012, 04:30:04 PM »

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Sully ...  ;D     gonna be good , needs body building .  He was a little nervous at first .  I was very happy for his first summer league game.

JJJ .....is headed D league  "FAST"


Give Melo about 5 or 6 games and he is really gonna be fun to watch... by then KG will have started on him. ;D

Re: Sullinger
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2012, 04:33:34 PM »

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That's high praise.  I hope you're right.

I just found this. Looks like I have good company in observation :-)

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-03-22/ohio-state-forward-jared-sullinger-named-sporting-news-freshman-of-the-year?story-topic-NCAAB=Golf

Sadly, that comparison was to Dantley's rebounding. ;)  5.7 boards per game career average and a career 8.6% TRB%.  That's danging with faint praise if I ever heard it.  I'm much more agreeable to the Wes Unseld comparison!  (13.8 rebounds; 18.0% TRB%)

All very true, but Dantleys remarkable ability to get oposing players into foul trouble is something I see with Sullinger.

When post players are shorter, they generally have to have a higher BBIQ to survive amongst the trees. That is true of Sully.

I can see alot of games where he will be getting Boston into the penalty or shooting lots of free throws, especially past his rookie season when refs start to give alot more respect.

Dantley didnt have lift either. I also see alot of ego in him. Another Dantley trait :-)

The player I wanted was Royce White. He is a superior athlete to Sullinger, a different type of player totally actually, but Houston coveted him. I think once Sullinger gets into stride in this league he will be a work of art.

How about Dantley's scoring with Unseld's defense and rebounding?  We'd be looking at a first ballot Hall of Famer.  ;D  Well, probably not, but it's fun to think about.

Yep, I'm old enough to watched Dantley and Sully does remind me of him with his moves. MAybe a bit of Carl Malone thrown in.

Sully is the man Danny  GRainger thinks he is.  I can see Sully putting a body on LeBrick as he flys though the air .  And fight braking out as LEbrick hits the pavemet HARD....gonna be good. ;D

Re: Sullinger
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2012, 04:36:49 PM »

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I agree that Sully is the kind of guy you'd want with you in a dark alley in a bad neighborhood.  For various reasons, the Cs have gotten rid of five of those kind of guys the past few years (Perk, Powe, BBD, TA and Posey), and those ballerinas down in Miami are acutely aware of it. 

 

Re: Sullinger
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2012, 04:45:04 PM »

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Didn't see the game, but the fact he's apparently moving well and unrestricted is a good sign.  We all know his talent is far above his draft position given he is healthy.  He is a good shooter for a big and is strong in the post.

In my mind there are two things that will determine his career.

1.  He is known for being a polished post player, but he has struggled playing against length.  In the NBA, everyone is obviously bigger than in college.  He's not going to be going against KG or Howard every game, but he's going to be contested with much more length than he did in college which he struggled with.  If he adapts and learns how to beat superior length, he will always have that post game to lean on and will be a good bench big no matter what else he does.  He already has 3 point/18 foot 2 point range ala KG.  If he can win in the post, he will already be a commodity.

2.  If he can slim down without losing strength.  Right now he's too bulky and will get burned even if he plays near perfect defense.  He needs to slim down to gain some lateral quickness.  Otherwise someone will pump fake, he'll bite and it'll be an easy dunk and he will be a massive liability.  Not only that, but he'll be too slow and bulky to rotate well and protect the rim.

Re: Sullinger
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2012, 04:59:22 PM »

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Re: Sullinger
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2012, 05:07:12 PM »

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Didn't see the game, but the fact he's apparently moving well and unrestricted is a good sign.  We all know his talent is far above his draft position given he is healthy.  He is a good shooter for a big and is strong in the post.

In my mind there are two things that will determine his career.

1.  He is known for being a polished post player, but he has struggled playing against length.  In the NBA, everyone is obviously bigger than in college.  He's not going to be going against KG or Howard every game, but he's going to be contested with much more length than he did in college which he struggled with.  If he adapts and learns how to beat superior length, he will always have that post game to lean on and will be a good bench big no matter what else he does.  He already has 3 point/18 foot 2 point range ala KG.  If he can win in the post, he will already be a commodity.

2.  If he can slim down without losing strength.  Right now he's too bulky and will get burned even if he plays near perfect defense.  He needs to slim down to gain some lateral quickness.  Otherwise someone will pump fake, he'll bite and it'll be an easy dunk and he will be a massive liability.  Not only that, but he'll be too slow and bulky to rotate well and protect the rim.


Nice post.

Note that I am also old enough to have watched Dantley and pretty much every player from the 80's. Funny enough I had a gap in the 90's (Len Bias's death in particular really jaded me), and alot of the game is a circle. That circle is of seeing players who come round who evoke sentiments of other players.

The lack of 'intellect' in todays game is one of the things that has made 'length' so important. Dantley and players like Mark Aguirre and even Rodman, didnt play in a short mans league. in fact there were more trees than ever and big men COULD pack the paint.

I think Sullinger has basketball intellect. And he knows it.

He will be fine, because in a structured NBA game, with players like ROndo and KG and Pierce et al, setting picks, passing the ball on point and creating screens all day, Sullinger wil thrive.



Re: Sullinger
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2012, 05:36:10 PM »

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Two points:

(1) Size - as the recent NBA Champions just proved - is probably the most over-rated indicator of NBA success.

(2) Sully - a guy nickname "Sully" basically has to succeed in a town, name, "Boston."

That is all.