Jeff Green to get 4-year 40 million deal (report)

[arambone]

Did you read and understand the part where I noted that he was played out of position his whole career?

Does that count for anything? How would Pierce do as a power forward?

Green will probably surpass Pierce as a better player, if not the starter, at some point in the next 2 years.

Pierce has been a rock, but he needs the option of extra rest at this point.

Think of Green as a co-starter with Pierce, if not this year, than most likely next. Also, the last year or two of Pierce's contract are the definition of bad value.

[Senninsage]

Jeff Green is one of the most talented players that we have in the NBA

Below average rebounder.
Below average passer.
Below average three-point shooter.
Below average defender.

Average scorer.
Average efficiency.

If Green takes more shots, he'd be scoring close to 30 almost every game. He has that much ability.

Guys that score close to 30 points per game are Durant, Kobe, and Lebron.  If Green was capable of doing that, he'd do it.

Green has great length and very good athleticism.  He's got a nice post game.  He's shown some flashes as a defender.  Right now, though, he's very average.

How many shot attempts a game do those other guys you list take? You mean to tell me Green, with what he scores with the current attempts he takes couldn't score 30 a game, or close to it? Jeff Green is capable. He's just a very unselfish guy. He's a team player with a great attitude.

[moiso]

Jeff Green is one of the most talented players that we have in the NBA

Below average rebounder.
Below average passer.
Below average three-point shooter.
Below average defender.

Average scorer.
Average efficiency.

If Green takes more shots, he'd be scoring close to 30 almost every game. He has that much ability.

Guys that score close to 30 points per game are Durant, Kobe, and Lebron.  If Green was capable of doing that, he'd do it.

Green has great length and very good athleticism.  He's got a nice post game.  He's shown some flashes as a defender.  Right now, though, he's very average.

Yep. The tools appear way better than the production.

[wdleehi]

Did you read and understand the part where I noted that he was played out of position his whole career?

Does that count for anything? How would Pierce do as a power forward?

Green will probably surpass Pierce as a better player, if not the starter, at some point in the next 2 years.

Pierce has been a rock, but he needs the option of extra rest at this point.

Think of Green as a co-starter with Pierce, if not this year, than most likely next. Also, the last year or two of Pierce's contract are the definition of bad value.

And that means he is not worth 10 million a year.
 



Players need to prove they are worth at least close to that before they get it.

[arambone]

"Yep. The tools appear way better than the production."

That's what happens when Durant takes your natural position, and pushes you to another position.

You guys really expect that he'd be equally as good as a PF than his natural SF?

High standards.

[Roy H.]

You mean to tell me Green, with what he scores with the current attempts he takes couldn't score 30 a game, or close to it?

Yes, that's exactly what I mean to tell you.  If Jeff Green was capable of being an elite scorer, he'd be one. 

[Fafnir]

"Yep. The tools appear way better than the production."

That's what happens when Durant takes your natural position, and pushes you to another position.

You guys really expect that he'd be equally as good as a PF than his natural SF?

High standards.

He played SF for a few years and also in Boston.

His production wasn't eye poppingly better at SF, though overall he did better.

[Lucky17]

LOL. People are picking up this rumor and running with it. get_banners is right, there's nothing of substance here.

Until we hear of another team showing legit interest in Green, you can bet there's no way Ainge bids against himself to resign him.

[moiso]

"Yep. The tools appear way better than the production."

That's what happens when Durant takes your natural position, and pushes you to another position.

You guys really expect that he'd be equally as good as a PF than his natural SF?

High standards.

He's been in the league a long time.  He probably would have figured some stuff out by now if he was going to be an allstar type player.  His best year was 3 years ago.

[jyyzzoel]

theres just NO WAY that DANNY AINGE - DANNY - AINGE - is going to offer jeff green that much. i dont care what the rumor is.

danny is one of the best GM's in terms of bargaining in the NBA. i think the MOST he'll give him is 7 million a year.

danny operates on logic, and thrifty use of money. i think the worst contract he's signed in the past 3 years was maybe resigning pierce at 15 mill (but it's understandable).

he would only spend 10 million on a franchise, borderline franchise player. ie: Rondo.

And Danny usually makes better moves, thriftier moves than anyone on this board suggests - so i think if you are all aware that that figure is ridiculous, certainly Danny knows it is...

However, if Danny Ainge were say Khan, or Danny Ferry, Larry Bird, or another GM who barely knows how to spend money wisely, I would be worried...

And the only reason Danny was gonna sign Jeff Green to a one year 9 million dollar contract last season is because he was trying to pull off a trade for Chris Paul and match salaries.  Additionally, even if he couldnt get that trade done, it's obvious Danny wasnt dumb enough to offer Jeff anything more than a one year deal at that money.

If this contract happens i will be so profoundly shocked, you could just go ahead and tell me danny ainge is a drug lord or something that ridiculous, and i would believe it faster than Danny giving Jeff 40 mill.

[arambone]

"His best year was 3 years ago."

That was when Durant still played primarily at shooting guard, and Green was playing mostly at his natural position of small forward.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jeff_green/career_stats.html

16.5 points, 6.7 rebounds in his second season.

Imagine what his 3rd and 4th seasons would have looked like if he hadn't been playing out of position most of the time. Even Lebron doesn't really like playing PF, and he weighs 25 pounds more than Green.

Green could easily be a 19-20 ppg, well rounded, efficient SF for a long time in the future, especially next to Rondo, who also likes to run.

I think Green is only worth 9 million a year, all told, but I also think it'd be pretty silly to watch him walk over 1 million per year.

[Senninsage]

You mean to tell me Green, with what he scores with the current attempts he takes couldn't score 30 a game, or close to it?

Yes, that's exactly what I mean to tell you.  If Jeff Green was capable of being an elite scorer, he'd be one. 

You're way off, buddy. Jeff Green takes half as many shots as other superstars, and still basically, with decent minutes, scores around 15-20 points. If Green took more shot attempts, he would be a higher scorer on average, period. Green has played on teams with players like Russell Westbrook (ball hog extraordinaire) and Kevin Durant, a high volume shooter. He then was traded to a team late in the season, not really knowing all he needed to know about the team yet, with nothing but hall of famers and all-stars, probably trying his best to not screw up and gain everyone's acceptance, and he was coming off the bench. It also doesn't help at all that he was traded for a fan favorite such as Perkins, and Rondo's best friend.

Jeff Green come 2 full seasons with the Celtics, will have proven everybody wrong who doubted him. And in 3 to 4 seasons, he will be a full blown star.

[Roy H.]

"His best year was 3 years ago."

That was when Durant still played primarily at shooting guard, and Green was playing mostly at his natural position of small forward.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jeff_green/career_stats.html

16.5 points, 6.7 rebounds in his second season.

Imagine what his 3rd and 4th seasons would have looked like if he hadn't been playing out of position most of the time. Even Lebron doesn't really like playing PF, and he weighs 25 pounds more than Green.

Green could easily be a 19-20 ppg, well rounded, efficient SF for a long time in the future, especially next to Rondo, who also likes to run.

I think Green is only worth 9 million a year, all told, but I also think it'd be pretty silly to watch him walk over 1 million per year.

His production at SF has been pretty similar to his production at PF:

http://www.82games.com/0809/08OKC10.HTM#bypos
http://www.82games.com/0910/09OKC12.HTM#bypos
http://www.82games.com/1011/10OKC10.HTM#bypos

Green wasn't a very effective player as a SF in OKC.  Maybe it's because he never found a comfort level.  Or, maybe it's because as a small forward, his quickness is pretty average, as opposed to PF where he has an advantage over bulkier players.

[Celts Fan 92]

love how everyone is bashing Green let's see if he plays super aggressive comin into da season like i think he's capable of doin he gon have a chip on his shoulder from havin da game almost taken away from him

Das dope what u be sayin I think he gon be a good playa 2 but not 4 da money

lol dats how u feel trynna be condescending nd mock da way I type? betta be glad its site rules or i woulda came back at u anyway i aint got no beef wit da contract

[Roy H.]

You mean to tell me Green, with what he scores with the current attempts he takes couldn't score 30 a game, or close to it?

Yes, that's exactly what I mean to tell you.  If Jeff Green was capable of being an elite scorer, he'd be one.  

You're way off, buddy. Jeff Green takes half as many shots as other superstars, and still basically, with decent minutes, scores around 15-20 points. If Green took more shot attempts, he would be a higher scorer on average, period. Green has played on teams with players like Russell Westbrook (ball hog extraordinaire) and Kevin Durant, a high volume shooter. He then was traded to a team late in the season, not really knowing all he needed to know about the team yet, with nothing but hall of famers and all-stars, probably trying his best to not screw up and gain everyone's acceptance, and he was coming off the bench. It also doesn't help at all that he was traded for a fan favorite such as Perkins, and Rondo's best friend.

Jeff Green come 2 full seasons with the Celtics, will have proven everybody wrong who doubted him. And in 3 to 4 seasons, he will be a full blown star.

One more time -- buddy   -- if Green could score 30 points per game, he'd be doing it.  Among other things, it would earn him a max contract, and would make his team a lot better.

Jeff Green isn't talented enough to consistently get good looks.  That's what limits his production, along with his inherent lack of aggressiveness. 

I'm pretty much you're the only one here who sees Green as a consistent near-30 point scorer.  If Danny or other GMs saw it, Green would be getting a lot more than $10 million per season.  And yes, that's an appeal to authority, but I think it's a pretty solid one.