Jeff Green to get 4-year 40 million deal (report)

[arambone]

I'm guessing it's going to be closer to 4 years 36 million.

The problem with waiting for Green to regain his form/play better than ever, is that his price would go up.

Pierce's contract is going to be a ball and chain if his play drops off any time in the next 3 years.

If Pierce's play drops off at any time in the next 3 years, the C's are left scrambling for a replacement.

Michael Pietrus?

KG, Jet, and Rondo are locked up for 3 years, as are the rookies and Bradley. A diminished Pierce with no good backup(s) would kill the championship aspirations of that gang.

Locking up Green long-term settles the situation greatly, and improves/extends Pierce's career enough to be somewhat worth his coming 16, 17, and 18 million dollar salaries, or whatever they are.

Also easier to amnesty Pierce at some point down the road if a capable replacement is on hand, should that likelihood unfortunately occur.
 

[Celtics18]

Not my money.  I'm just glad he's coming back.

[colincb]

Just doing some rough calculations, for Green to get 4/40, his 1st year would be 9m with 7.5% annual raises.  This would work out to 40.05m.

At the end of the day, while I still think 9m is a massive over-pay for Green, isn't that basically what we were offering him last year.  The whole 4 years part is a little mind-boggling though.  I'd have to imagine there would be huge protections for the Celtics, in the form of non-guaranteed money.

This might actually be fairly close to what the deal ends up being.  Even giving Ray 6m, with all the other confirmed or reported deals out there, we would be right at about 65m.

Pierce-16.8m
Rondo-11m
Garnett-10.6m
Green-9m
Bass-6.2m
Allen-6m
Bradley-1.6m
Sullinger-1.3m
Melo-1.2m
Johnson-1.1m
Joseph-.5m

TOTAL=65.3m

Terry (MLE 5m)
Player X (BAE 1.9m)

TOTAL=72.2m  13 players

We could then add two players for vet minimum deals , which would only count for .8m each (two-year minimum amount), and still be under 74m.

As much as it pains me, Green may very well get his 4yr/40m.  Ugh!

I've got similar numbers and can squeeze the Bi-Annual Exception and Moore in at just a hair under $74 million,  Doubt we'd get either MP and CW with a vet min number if we went for those two instead (and I assume Dooling's gone if Terry and Allen are both signed).  The number still seems too high to me because it starts at $9M where I saw Green coming in at no higher than $8 and for 2-3 years.

[jyyzzoel]

I would have rather signed Michael Beasley for 6 mill a year....just being honest..

yep. agreed.

[KGs Knee]

Just doing some rough calculations, for Green to get 4/40, his 1st year would be 9m with 7.5% annual raises.  This would work out to 40.05m.

At the end of the day, while I still think 9m is a massive over-pay for Green, isn't that basically what we were offering him last year.  The whole 4 years part is a little mind-boggling though.  I'd have to imagine there would be huge protections for the Celtics, in the form of non-guaranteed money.

This might actually be fairly close to what the deal ends up being.  Even giving Ray 6m, with all the other confirmed or reported deals out there, we would be right at about 65m.

Pierce-16.8m
Rondo-11m
Garnett-10.6m
Green-9m
Bass-6.2m
Allen-6m
Bradley-1.6m
Sullinger-1.3m
Melo-1.2m
Johnson-1.1m
Joseph-.5m

TOTAL=65.3m

Terry (MLE 5m)
Player X (BAE 1.9m)

TOTAL=72.2m  13 players

We could then add two players for vet minimum deals , which would only count for .8m each (two-year minimum amount), and still be under 74m.

As much as it pains me, Green may very well get his 4yr/40m.  Ugh!

I've got similar numbers and can squeeze the Bi-Annual Exception and Moore in at just a hair under $74 million,  Doubt we'd get either MP and CW with a vet min number if we went for those two instead (and I assume Dooling's gone if Terry and Allen are both signed).  The number still seems too high to me because it starts at $9M where I saw Green coming in at no higher than $8 and for 2-3 years.

Yeah, we could very easily just pick up Moore's option and forego a vet player.  Moore and any vet min player will have essentially the same contract value (for cap purposes).

Another aspect to consider is Stiemsma's still outstanding QO, which counts against our cap until the situation is resolved.  I look at Stiemsma and Wilcox as an either/or situation.  If Stiemsma stays we will probably give the BAE to Pietrus.  If Stiemsma leaves we probably give it to Wilcox and use our last spot on a depth-signing wing.

Danny is definitely trying to squeez every last penny out of our roster and still stay under the "apron/hard cap".

[byennie]

Suppose Allen is gone... what about using our Bird Rights on Krstic (2 years / $12M), and bringing back Pietrus (BAE) and Dooling (vet min) for depth? I would personally rather have depth at center when we already have the ability to sign up to 6 guards (Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Pietrus, Moore, Dooling).

This way we could start Krstic and make both Bass and Green bench players. Sub early and slide KG over to the 5 as needed. Can you imagine a 2nd unit with Jason Terry, Jeff Green and Brandon Bass? Those are all 6th man of the year quality players and we would have 3 of them on our bench, not to mention Sullinger and Pietrus.

[LEHGOCELTICS]

Suppose Allen is gone... what about using our Bird Rights on Krstic (2 years / $12M), and bringing back Pietrus (BAE) and Dooling (vet min) for depth? I would personally rather have depth at center when we already have the ability to sign up to 6 guards (Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Pietrus, Moore, Dooling).

This way we could start Krstic and make both Bass and Green bench players. Sub early and slide KG over to the 5 as needed. Can you imagine a 2nd unit with Jason Terry, Jeff Green and Brandon Bass? Those are all 6th man of the year quality players and we would have 3 of them on our bench, not to mention Sullinger and Pietrus.

I would personally not waste 2/12 mil on that heap of trash and do a sign and trade for him. Some team ought to be willing to take him.

[Marcus13]

This better be some kind of sick joke.

If that's the number he's looking for...at least get him to fool somebody else into it first

Every team he's ever played for has played better with him off the court.

[Adelaide Celt]

Is 4 years at $40 million the same size deal as what Gerald Wallace got?

I like Jeff Green and hope we sign him but for the same money I'd rather have Wallace any day of the week.

[byennie]

If we're playing salary cap games, is there any reason why the C's couldn't front-load this deal? For example these are far from equal:

4 yr, $40M annual raises: 9.25, 9.75, 10.25, 10.75

4 yr, $35M front-loaded with team option: 9.5, 9.5, 8, 8 (team option)

I'm sure there are other iterations, but point being that "around $40M" can mean some pretty different things...

[LilRip]

i don't know if any team would've paid Green this much. seriously? were the "other teams he was looking at" going to pony up 9-11/yr over 4 years? maybe 7-9 for his potential.

[goCeltics]

anything over 3 years 21 mill is overpaying, if teams are really offering 8 mill+ then danny should let him walk

I would normally say throw in a second rounder and get a trade exception except we can't s&t green

rather they sign delfino or tmac for the min if they could

[ederson]

How come everyone is so sure that he can still play and be as good as he was (whatever good means to anyone)? I hope his ok , don`t get me wrong but it`s not like he had the flu.

[Fan from VT]

he wasn't worth this fully healthy.

[mctyson]

LOL. People are picking up this rumor and running with it. get_banners is right, there's nothing of substance here.

Until we hear of another team showing legit interest in Green, you can bet there's no way Ainge bids against himself to resign him.

Thank you for the LOL.

People need to calm down.  It was a speculative rumor by an unnamed source that said the deal "may be" somewhere "near" $40M over 4.

Please also do not forget that before the surgery Green was able to ink an $9M deal.  Granted it was a 1-year deal and you can overpay on those, but still he did command that type of money.

I posted in this thread a number of times already.  I honestly, for the life of me, cannot see Danny giving Jeff Green a raise after he missed an entire season due to a serious medical condition.  And I know Danny loves Jeff Green's game.  I like it too.  I think he is going to be great for us.  I think he will be 100% healthy as he enters his prime years.

But as Lucky 17 said, until we here an offer from another team, do not buy this number.  I have posted that I think the max should be $8M per.  I like the 4 year deal.  If Green wants more, I'd rather do 3 years @ $9M per...just like his last deal.  But no raise.

If another team comes in and offers $40M over 4+ you let him walk, or execute the S+T.

The only thing I worry about here is if the Ray situation is being played by Falk to milk Green some more money.  If Ray signs, Falk knows we are limited in what we can offer Green (at least this year.)  If he doesn't sign, we can give Green more money.  

Anways...Danny has had two good offseasons in a row being frugal while assembling our roster, this year especially.  He hasn't thrown one contract out there that has made us flip...until this rumor.  I don't think it is true.