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Nets & Magic in serious discussions
« on: July 03, 2012, 06:51:20 AM »

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Rumored deal according to Broussard is:

Lopez, Humphries, Brooks, 2013 1st, 2015 1st, 2017 1st

for

Howard
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Re: Nets & Magic in serious discussions
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2012, 06:58:27 AM »

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I'd laugh.  A day after Howard got gangstered into opting into his final year, I went to an Orlando board that was in the midst of celebrating and proposed my theory on why I could still see Howard getting traded sometime between June 28th and July 11th for a package of Brook Lopez, Marshon Brooks and picks.

They ripped me to shreds and acted like I was a lunatic.  They were convinced Howard was a Magic for life and they were on the verge of winning a title. I've never seen a more delusional fanbase.  

I'd have a giggle fit if this happened.  Orlando fans I've interacted with are all delusional rude punks.  

Re: Nets & Magic in serious discussions
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2012, 07:21:37 AM »

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I'll continue to reiterate this point.  In some ways, Orlando should be thrilled that they gangstered Dwight into opting in for his final year.  He had zero intention of doing so.  He wanted to play out the rest of the year and then sign with Brooklyn.  Orlando would have been left with nothing and no teams were going to give up much for a half season rental of Dwight.  Basically all they could do was throw Dwight on the open market and accept the best package from any team willing to rent Dwight... so that's what they did.  Then they basically said they'd trade him to the Lakers (where he didn't want to play) unless he opted in.  Boom.  Gangster move.  At the time, the Nets had no reason to give up major assets either... why repeat the same mistake the Knicks made with Melo (giving up half their team for a guy they could have just signed the next year).  They would have been perfectly content waiting half a season, trying to improve their draft odds and THEN signing Dwight.  Orlando had no leverage and they gangstered that punk into giving them a little.

So now Dwight is making it clear that he has one team he'll sign an extension with (maybe 2 if you believe reports that Dallas is on his list).  Any other team would be taking a crazy risk if they were to give up major assets for a player who is coming off surgery and will probably leave them with nothing.  Who wants the privilege of being a sitting duck team?

Good news is... the Nets have been willing to give up anything other than Deron for a shot at Dwight, because they are desperate to keep Deron.  So that's one team that will be willing to play ball with Orlando.  But... Deron is supposedly giving his decision in the next 24-48 hours.  What happens if he decides he's willing to re-sign with Brooklyn independently of Dwight's situation?  Doesn't that essentially take the knife away from Brooklyn's throat?  I'm sure they'd be perfectly content just marching out a team of Deron, Joe Johnson, Gerald Wallace, Kris Humprhies, Brook Lopez and Marshon Brooks.  That's a playoff team right there.  The second Deron signs with Brooklyn... the pressure is no longer on them to throw the boat at Dwight.  If Orlando was smart, they'd recognize this... and fleece Brooklyn of everything they can before Deron makes his decision.

Or maybe I'm reading into it too much.  This is exactly how I saw it playing out months ago.  I guess if I'm Orlando, I could take a major risk... cross my fingers that Deron goes to Dallas and Dwight suddenly gives them a new list of teams that he'll extend with that doesn't include Brooklyn... but I say they should just take the Lopez/Humphries/Brooks/Picks package while they can and just be glad they didn't get left with nothing.  They used what little leverage they had... time to cash in for whatever they can get.

Re: Nets & Magic in serious discussions
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2012, 07:26:01 AM »

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Unless Houston was completely bluffing about taking him without assurances I don't see them not beating that offer.

Re: Nets & Magic in serious discussions
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2012, 07:26:06 AM »

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It's funny that about 6 months after the lockout ends, a player is forcing his way to the team he wants and the Nets are circumventing the "cap" in order to add Johnson and Howard to their team. Weren't the new rules intended to improve competitive balance? The Nets will be in luxury tax territory when you just include the contracts of Howard, Johnson, Williams, and Wallace if this trade does indeed go through.

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2012, 07:30:41 AM »

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if i were the magic i rather kepp howard and try to swing a deal at the deadline, that really a nothing deal, the picks will be all late 20's cos dwight will be on the team, and lopez has been injury prone and crappy last couple of years, and humphries is just a role player. I rather a bynum or gasol package, hey every morey will give them a better deal for a rental.

Re: Nets & Magic in serious discussions
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2012, 07:33:26 AM »

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Unless Houston was completely bluffing about taking him without assurances I don't see them not beating that offer.
Houston wanted to give up a bunch of picks for Dwight, but if Dwight isn't willing to sign an extension they might be giving up a bunch of picks for a 1 year rental.  It's a risk Daryl Morey sounds like he's willing to take.  Or at least... it sounded like he was willing to take.  Later Dwight's people explicitly said he would NOT sign an extension in Houston.

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The Rockets are trying to put together a trade for Dwight Howard without an assurance that he would sign an extension.

A source with knowledge of Howard’s thinking said Monday that there was “not a chance” he would be convinced to re-sign with Houston if traded there. Howard would leave during the summer of 2013 to sign elsewhere.

Howard has given no indication of planning to sign a long-term extension with the Magic.
Via David Aldridge/NBA.com

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221699/Source_No_Chance_Howard_Signs_Long_Term_With_Rockets#ixzz1zYhJMrOz

Not sure what other GMs have the same guts.  Dwight is making it very clear you'll be trading for him at your own risk.  He'll enter free agency and play the field.  Any team (other than Brooklyn) that trades for him is basically just putting themselves in the same position Orlando is in.

For example... it was reported:

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The Warriors are interested in trading for Dwight Howard, but are unwilling to do so without a commitment on an extension.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221990/Warriors_Wouldnt_Trade_For_Howard_Without_Extension#ixzz1zYgM3KZ7

One thing Orlando should do is start giving teams permission to speak directly with Dwight (if they aren't already doing this).  Maybe a team other than Brooklyn can convince Dwight to sign an extension and they will send a better offer Orlando's way.  But then again... maybe those teams end up talking to Dwight, hear him reiterate that he'll bolt after a season... and get scared off.




Re: Nets & Magic in serious discussions
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2012, 07:35:16 AM »

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it has been reported that Houston always was willing to take a chance with a one year rental. If I was Orlando I would trade with Houston or Golden State because they could offer me the best package. It also doesn't hurt that not trading with Brooklyn would really stick it to the Nets.
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Re: Nets & Magic in serious discussions
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2012, 07:40:24 AM »

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it has been reported that Houston always was willing to take a chance with a one year rental. If I was Orlando I would trade with Houston or Golden State because they could offer me the best package. It also doesn't hurt that not trading with Brooklyn would really stick it to the Nets.
Yeah it was reported Houston was willing to take a chance... but at what cost?  The more they give up, the less likely they'll compete and the less likely he'll stick around.  If we are talking about a couple middle 1st rounders... maybe it's worth the risk. But I have doubts that their package is better than Kris Humphries, Brook Lopez, Marshon Brooks and multiple 1st rounders.

As explained earlier... even if Orlando has no interest in a guy like Brook Lopez... clearly there are teams out there who do.  Roy Hibbert just got a max contract.  Omar Asik just got 30 million.  There's a major market for a 24 year old 7 feet tall center who averages 20 points and 2 blocks.  They could easily flip him for assets that fit their interests.  Who is giving Orlando a better asset than that? 

Ask yourself, as a Celtic fan, how much you'd be willing to give up for Dwight while he continues to say, "no interest in playing in Boston... no interest in signing an extension in Boston... if Boston trades for me, i'll wait for free agency and leave".  Are you giving up a package better than Marshon Brooks, Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries and three 1st rounders?  What would be the Celtic equivalent to that package?... if I'm being incredibly generous it would be JaJuan Johnson (marshon is a better asset), Avery Bradley (lopez is a better asset), Jeff Green (possibly equal with Humphries) and three 1st rounders.
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Re: Nets & Magic in serious discussions
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 07:44:04 AM »

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That Nets team would be a nightmare for Boston if things come to fruition. Pure nightmare.

Hoping Deron decides to go to Dallas. If Orlando refuses to trade Dwight, there's no way Brooklyn can get him and that'd be a major relief.

Re: Nets & Magic in serious discussions
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2012, 07:47:02 AM »

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  By the way, has any reporter thought to ask Stern or the owners exactly what they accomplished with the lockout? Wasn't it to prevent situations like this?

Re: Nets & Magic in serious discussions
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2012, 07:50:37 AM »

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I would not do this if I am the Magic. Just try to lose him to some stupid team for 1 year.

maybe the best for Orlando is to try a exchange with Bynum. Don't like the idea of Howard in LA but for Orlando getting Bynum makes sense.

Re: Nets & Magic in serious discussions
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2012, 07:57:08 AM »

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First round picks aside (they should be late 20s for the first couple years anyway) what deal would you rather do?

Lopez, Humphries and Brooks or

Horford, Teague & Jenkins?

I would much rather do the Horford one. 

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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2012, 07:57:53 AM »

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that's an awful package for Dwight Howard, our offer could beat that.

Bradley >> Brooks
Green > Humphries
Bass < Lopez

Our 2nd rounders are arguably worth more than the Nets in 13, 15,17 seeing how they are probably in the 28-30 range. Our picks are early 2nd rounder,non guaranteed plus we got Melo,and JJJ.

But doens't matter,Dwight will only sign extension with Brooklyn.

Let's go get Smith , without giving up Bradley somehow! be creative Ainge.

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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2012, 07:58:54 AM »

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First round picks aside (they should be late 20s for the first couple years anyway) what deal would you rather do?

Lopez, Humphries and Brooks or

Horford, Teague & Jenkins?

I would much rather do the Horford one. 
sure but that's contingent on the idea that Dwight will sign an extension in Atlanta... otherwise I think the Hawks would be nuts to get rid of Horford for a 1 year rental of Dwight Howard.