How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)

[wdleehi]

One more thing, where is the evidence he quit?  There is evidence that he created a distraction, but not quit.  

So you believe in alot of smoke without a fire huh?  Just like Vilma wasnt part of a bounty program cause there is no evidence

Yes, Howard had back surgery so he can quit on his coach. 

[wdleehi]

You know who never quit on his team? Marc Gasol.

Neither will Steve 'The Maple-Leaf Ninja' Nash, Michael 'Finnegan's Wake' Finley, Scottie 'The Body' Pippen, Elton 'John' Brand, or Jermaine 'Lights Out' O'Neal.

I was worried about 'the body', but I narrowly avoided that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Pippen?  Mr. "not going to go back into the playoff game because the ball is going to someone else"?

[Rondo2287]

He quit on his team.

So basically, you are saying 20.6 points, 14.5 rebounds, 2.1 blocks, 1.5 steals, .573 shooting, 3rd in defensive player of the year voting, 7th in voting for MVP, and all NBA 1st team (5th straight season) is equal to Howard quitting?


Imagine how good he will be on my loaded team.  

Untill he decides he's not happy. 

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/18679664/report-dwight-howard-told-magic-owner-he-wont-play-for-stan-van-gundy

He was happy on the good team.


With my team, he is on a good team. 

There are other good teams in the league, what happens if your team goes on a losing streak?  that could spell trouble

Not really.  I don't have multiple years of making bad personal choices.

I dunno, a team centered around Deron and Dwight could be highly combustable.  One will refuse to play the other will make your coach quit.

Show me when Howard refused to play and wasn't hurt.


You ask for a player that ousted a coach, I can give a list from the top 10 players of all time.  


Weak arguments.  Never effected their play on the floor.

[wdleehi]

He quit on his team.

So basically, you are saying 20.6 points, 14.5 rebounds, 2.1 blocks, 1.5 steals, .573 shooting, 3rd in defensive player of the year voting, 7th in voting for MVP, and all NBA 1st team (5th straight season) is equal to Howard quitting?


Imagine how good he will be on my loaded team.  

Untill he decides he's not happy. 

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/18679664/report-dwight-howard-told-magic-owner-he-wont-play-for-stan-van-gundy

He was happy on the good team.


With my team, he is on a good team. 

There are other good teams in the league, what happens if your team goes on a losing streak?  that could spell trouble

Not really.  I don't have multiple years of making bad personal choices.

I dunno, a team centered around Deron and Dwight could be highly combustable.  One will refuse to play the other will make your coach quit.

Show me when Howard refused to play and wasn't hurt.


You ask for a player that ousted a coach, I can give a list from the top 10 players of all time.  


Weak arguments.  Never effected their play on the floor.

So you have no evidence.


That's all you had to say. 

[StartOrien]

Jermaine 'Lights Out' O'Neal.

Sure wouldn't quit on his team that night at the Palace.

[indeedproceed]

You know who never quit on his team? Marc Gasol.

Neither will Steve 'The Maple-Leaf Ninja' Nash, Michael 'Finnegan's Wake' Finley, Scottie 'The Body' Pippen, Elton 'John' Brand, or Jermaine 'Lights Out' O'Neal.

I was worried about 'the body', but I narrowly avoided that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Pippen?  Mr. "not going to go back into the playoff game because the ball is going to someone else"?

You'll see I addressed that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Jeez do you even read my posts, or are you obsessed with keeping Dwight Howard and Deron Williams happy so they don't get you fired and quit on your team?

[indeedproceed]

Jermaine 'Lights Out' O'Neal.

Sure wouldn't quit on his team that night at the Palace.

Ahhhh- he got it. That one was for the scholars.

[Rondo2287]

He quit on his team.

So basically, you are saying 20.6 points, 14.5 rebounds, 2.1 blocks, 1.5 steals, .573 shooting, 3rd in defensive player of the year voting, 7th in voting for MVP, and all NBA 1st team (5th straight season) is equal to Howard quitting?


Imagine how good he will be on my loaded team.  

Untill he decides he's not happy. 

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/18679664/report-dwight-howard-told-magic-owner-he-wont-play-for-stan-van-gundy

He was happy on the good team.


With my team, he is on a good team. 

There are other good teams in the league, what happens if your team goes on a losing streak?  that could spell trouble

Not really.  I don't have multiple years of making bad personal choices.

I dunno, a team centered around Deron and Dwight could be highly combustable.  One will refuse to play the other will make your coach quit.

Show me when Howard refused to play and wasn't hurt.


You ask for a player that ousted a coach, I can give a list from the top 10 players of all time.  


Weak arguments.  Never effected their play on the floor.

So you have no evidence.


That's all you had to say. 

Haha wow, MJ, just liked throwing slumber parties too huh?

[wdleehi]

You know who never quit on his team? Marc Gasol.

Neither will Steve 'The Maple-Leaf Ninja' Nash, Michael 'Finnegan's Wake' Finley, Scottie 'The Body' Pippen, Elton 'John' Brand, or Jermaine 'Lights Out' O'Neal.

I was worried about 'the body', but I narrowly avoided that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Pippen?  Mr. "not going to go back into the playoff game because the ball is going to someone else"?

You'll see I addressed that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Jeez do you even read my posts, or are you obsessed with keeping Dwight Howard and Deron Williams happy so they don't get you fired and quit on your team?

They are happy.  They have each other.  Howard has top level shooters to open up space.  Williams has guys that will finish his passes.  


What more could those two ask for?

[indeedproceed]

You know who never quit on his team? Marc Gasol.

Neither will Steve 'The Maple-Leaf Ninja' Nash, Michael 'Finnegan's Wake' Finley, Scottie 'The Body' Pippen, Elton 'John' Brand, or Jermaine 'Lights Out' O'Neal.

I was worried about 'the body', but I narrowly avoided that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Pippen?  Mr. "not going to go back into the playoff game because the ball is going to someone else"?

You'll see I addressed that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Jeez do you even read my posts, or are you obsessed with keeping Dwight Howard and Deron Williams happy so they don't get you fired and quit on your team?

They are happy.  They have each other.  Howard has top level shooters to open up space.  Williams has guys that will finish his passes. 


What more could those two ask for?

[dang]it wdleehi, I'm an insurance salesman, not a head doctor! I have no idea why Deron Williams and Dwight Howard are inevitably going to quit on your team and burn everything you love to the ground but its YOUR job to stop it!

[StartOrien]

You know who never quit on his team? Marc Gasol.

Neither will Steve 'The Maple-Leaf Ninja' Nash, Michael 'Finnegan's Wake' Finley, Scottie 'The Body' Pippen, Elton 'John' Brand, or Jermaine 'Lights Out' O'Neal.

I was worried about 'the body', but I narrowly avoided that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Pippen?  Mr. "not going to go back into the playoff game because the ball is going to someone else"?

You'll see I addressed that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Jeez do you even read my posts, or are you obsessed with keeping Dwight Howard and Deron Williams happy so they don't get you fired and quit on your team?

They are happy.  They have each other.  Howard has top level shooters to open up space.  Williams has guys that will finish his passes.  


What more could those two ask for?

True love?

[wdleehi]

You know who never quit on his team? Marc Gasol.

Neither will Steve 'The Maple-Leaf Ninja' Nash, Michael 'Finnegan's Wake' Finley, Scottie 'The Body' Pippen, Elton 'John' Brand, or Jermaine 'Lights Out' O'Neal.

I was worried about 'the body', but I narrowly avoided that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Pippen?  Mr. "not going to go back into the playoff game because the ball is going to someone else"?

You'll see I addressed that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Jeez do you even read my posts, or are you obsessed with keeping Dwight Howard and Deron Williams happy so they don't get you fired and quit on your team?

They are happy.  They have each other.  Howard has top level shooters to open up space.  Williams has guys that will finish his passes.  


What more could those two ask for?

True love?

My team does start Love.

[indeedproceed]

You know who never quit on his team? Marc Gasol.

Neither will Steve 'The Maple-Leaf Ninja' Nash, Michael 'Finnegan's Wake' Finley, Scottie 'The Body' Pippen, Elton 'John' Brand, or Jermaine 'Lights Out' O'Neal.

I was worried about 'the body', but I narrowly avoided that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Pippen?  Mr. "not going to go back into the playoff game because the ball is going to someone else"?

You'll see I addressed that by not drafting Toni Kukoc.

Jeez do you even read my posts, or are you obsessed with keeping Dwight Howard and Deron Williams happy so they don't get you fired and quit on your team?

They are happy.  They have each other.  Howard has top level shooters to open up space.  Williams has guys that will finish his passes. 


What more could those two ask for?

True love?

He distinctly said, "To Blave," and, as we all know, "to blave" means "to bluff." So you're probably playing cards, and he cheated!

[Moranis]

Well, couldn't we make a similar argument for Lebron? D Rose? etc...

Nope because there isn't a consistent pattern of those teams trading scorers because they couldn't get along with the star.  The only player Cleveland traded away was Ricky Davis (who clearly was a head case as evident by all his stops, including Boston).  Chicago hasn't traded away any scorers because of Rose and certainly no one mid-season.

To some extent, those players named have had myriad lineup changes, trades, in an effort to build a cohesive unit.

All teams undergo lineup changes.  I mean Oklahoma City added Perk mid-season last year for Jeff Green for basketball reasons.  They didn't trade away Green because he didn't get along with Durant.  They also still have Westbrook and Harden and didn't trade them away because they couldn't get along with Durant.  Contending teams trade away role players, they don't trade away their second best player, like Philly did year after year because of Iverson.  

CP3, too.

CP3's had Tyson Prime, David West Prime, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Caron Butler, etc - and the farthest he's been in the playoffs, still, is to the WCF's.

What does that have to do with anything?  West left as a free agent, Paul and Griffin get along fine.  There weren't these mass of mid-season trades involving Paul's teams where the Hornets got rid of their second best player because him and Paul couldn't get along.  

In other words, there is definitely more to AI's teams not fairing well than what is on the surface.

Who said anything about fairing well.  Iverson's Philly teams were actually pretty good, the question is how Iverson would fit with a team full of superstars in a league full of superstar teams, and in that I think he would fair incredibly poorly based on how he interacted with other "star" players throughout his entire career.  

So you REALLY believe that Allen Iverson would perform poorly with a team of Mitch Richmond and Amar'e Prime?

I'd like to think that THOSE two were better than ANY other combo that Allen Iverson played with.

IMO, it is just TOO arbitrary to come up with a summary to say that Allen Iverson wouldn't flourish in THIS format. If I were AI, in THIS format, I'd wake up with a smile on my face every day knowing I had Mitch and amar'e to carry the load.

That's why even Micheal Jordan's greatness can be called into question in some regards. The man played with one of the best SF's of all time in Scottie....CERTAINLY the BEST Defensive SF to ever play the game.

Look at Michael's teams throughout his career - the ONE constant has been Scottie and Phil. Everyone else (including Dennis Rodman, Horace Grant, Tony Kukoc) have been a variable.

Too bad AI never had Scottie.

I think Allen Iverson has consistently shown he has trouble sharing the spot light and deferring the scoring load to someone else.  It was shown time and time again throughout his career.  I don't think that changes when you put him on a team of superstars in a league full of superstar teams.  

[Who]

In Denver, it was like watching two different offenses.  There was the Melo offense.  There was the AI offense.  Rarely the two would mix. 

I thought their offense and team functioned well when Steve Blake was there to keep everyone happy. Keep the ball moving and making sure the bigs got a touch now and then to keep them engaged defensively and on the boards.

Always hated how they let Steve Blake go. He was such a good glue guy to that Denver team.

Unfortunately, there is no Steve Blake type guard on Bahku's team.