How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Thanks for the insight sir Roy. I do believe though that Christie and Brown fit this team perfect.

They do not need the ball as much, giving Penny and G-Hill and Ewing to make money on the court. They play tough nosed defense. And could hit open shots when left open.

I just don't think you can survive playing 2 mediocre or worse offensive players in your starting lineup, especially when most teams have 5 elite offensive talents starting.

P.J. Brown averaged 8.5 points and shot 44% in the year you selected.  That's pretty terrible, and those numbers are going to get even worse in this league. 

Doug Christie averaged 10.1 points in the year you selected, and was fairly mediocre at shooting.  He was also 33 years old.  Again, it's fair to say that his numbers are going to decline from there.

Two of your starters are most likely going to combine for around 15 points per game or less.  How can that combo hope to survive in this game?  Those two positions are going to be outscored by substantial margins every single night.

Ewing, Hill and Hardaway would make up for the offense that Christie or Brown would not produce. They're basically there for defense. Christie is the defensive stopper for either the PG or SG that Penny has to defend. The better guard it is, Christie gets him, to keep Penny fresh for his offens attack. Brown does the same thing.

And as bad as they we're statistically, they are threats none the less if you leave open, which keeps defenses honest, opening space for Hill and Penny to work with.

Brown and Christie are multiple time 2nd team all defense. Penny, GHill and Ewing could handle the load offensively. And this team has Rod Strickland, David Lee and Nick Anderson to put some more scoring in case its needed. But for the start of the game, I like having Christie and Brown in the lineup, for defense. Not their scoring abilities, but defense.

[wdleehi]

Thanks for the insight sir Roy. I do believe though that Christie and Brown fit this team perfect.

They do not need the ball as much, giving Penny and G-Hill and Ewing to make money on the court. They play tough nosed defense. And could hit open shots when left open.

I just don't think you can survive playing 2 mediocre or worse offensive players in your starting lineup, especially when most teams have 5 elite offensive talents starting.

P.J. Brown averaged 8.5 points and shot 44% in the year you selected.  That's pretty terrible, and those numbers are going to get even worse in this league. 

Doug Christie averaged 10.1 points in the year you selected, and was fairly mediocre at shooting.  He was also 33 years old.  Again, it's fair to say that his numbers are going to decline from there.

Two of your starters are most likely going to combine for around 15 points per game or less.  How can that combo hope to survive in this game?  Those two positions are going to be outscored by substantial margins every single night.

Ewing, Hill and Hardaway would make up for the offense that Christie or Brown would not produce. They're basically there for defense. Christie is the defensive stopper for either the PG or SG that Penny has to defend. The better guard it is, Christie gets him, to keep Penny fresh for his offens attack. Brown does the same thing.

And as bad as they we're statistically, they are threats none the less if you leave open, which keeps defenses honest, opening space for Hill and Penny to work with.

Brown and Christie are multiple time 2nd team all defense. Penny, GHill and Ewing could handle the load offensively. And this team has Rod Strickland, David Lee and Nick Anderson to put some more scoring in case its needed. But for the start of the game, I like having Christie and Brown in the lineup, for defense. Not their scoring abilities, but defense.

Start Smits over Brown. 


Your team defense will not take a hit and your offense will get a boost.  Stop thinking Smits is a defensive weakness.  He was part of a good team defense with the Pacers when the league still had multiple top level centers.

[Moranis]

Thanks for the insight sir Roy. I do believe though that Christie and Brown fit this team perfect.

They do not need the ball as much, giving Penny and G-Hill and Ewing to make money on the court. They play tough nosed defense. And could hit open shots when left open.

I just don't think you can survive playing 2 mediocre or worse offensive players in your starting lineup, especially when most teams have 5 elite offensive talents starting.

P.J. Brown averaged 8.5 points and shot 44% in the year you selected.  That's pretty terrible, and those numbers are going to get even worse in this league.  

Doug Christie averaged 10.1 points in the year you selected, and was fairly mediocre at shooting.  He was also 33 years old.  Again, it's fair to say that his numbers are going to decline from there.

Two of your starters are most likely going to combine for around 15 points per game or less.  How can that combo hope to survive in this game?  Those two positions are going to be outscored by substantial margins every single night.

Ewing, Hill and Hardaway would make up for the offense that Christie or Brown would not produce. They're basically there for defense. Christie is the defensive stopper for either the PG or SG that Penny has to defend. The better guard it is, Christie gets him, to keep Penny fresh for his offens attack. Brown does the same thing.

And as bad as they we're statistically, they are threats none the less if you leave open, which keeps defenses honest, opening space for Hill and Penny to work with.

Brown and Christie are multiple time 2nd team all defense. Penny, GHill and Ewing could handle the load offensively. And this team has Rod Strickland, David Lee and Nick Anderson to put some more scoring in case its needed. But for the start of the game, I like having Christie and Brown in the lineup, for defense. Not their scoring abilities, but defense.

Roy's point and I agree with him, is you are essentially playing 3 on 5 on the offensive side of the floor.  Thus, you are essentially allowing teams to double team your better offensive players and thus neutralizing them a great deal.  If this was a regular basketball league, your team would be fine, but every team in this league has as much offensive firepower as Ewing, Hill, and Hardaway, plus they also have at least 1 if not 2 other players that can score.  

For example, I have 2 MVP's in my starting lineup as well as 18-26 point scorers from the other 3 spots.  You have two spots that don't even equal one spot on my team on the offensive end.  Defensive specialists are nice and all, but in a league like this they have no business starting (unless they are an all time great like say Rodman).  It is just far too much to give up on the offensive end.

[Rondo2287]

Your NY Knicks!

Centers:

Tim Duncan 2002-2003, NBA Finals MVP, NBA MVP, First team all Defense

Marcin Gortat 2011-2012

Emeka Okafor 2007-2008

PF:

Ben Wallace 2002-2003, Defensive player of the year, 1st team all defense

Carlos Boozer 2006-2007

Emeka Okafor 2007-2008

SF:




Ron Artest, 2003-2004 Defensive player of the year, allstar

Detlef Schrempf, 1992-1993, 19.1 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 6 apg

Mike Miller, 2007-2008 18.4 ppg, 43%3p

SG:


Brandon Roy 2008-2009 All Star

Rip Hamilton 2003-2004 NBA Champion

Mike Miller

PG:

Tony Parker 2006-2007 All star, NBA Finals MVP

Steph Curry 2010-2011 44% 3p 18.6 ppg, 5.8 apg

Shaun Livingston 2005-2006 5.8 ppg, 4.5 apg 6 foot 7 inches tall


You want Defense?  we got it

You want Championship experience? we got it

You want leadership?we are overflowing with it

You want explosive playmakers?  We got it

You want outside shooting? We are good enough

You want just the right amount of crazyness balanced out by our leadership and non-crazyness? Check

[Rondo2287]

Just want to throw it out there it is a travesty that Tim Duncan has never won defensive player of the year.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Thanks for the insight sir Roy. I do believe though that Christie and Brown fit this team perfect.

They do not need the ball as much, giving Penny and G-Hill and Ewing to make money on the court. They play tough nosed defense. And could hit open shots when left open.

I just don't think you can survive playing 2 mediocre or worse offensive players in your starting lineup, especially when most teams have 5 elite offensive talents starting.

P.J. Brown averaged 8.5 points and shot 44% in the year you selected.  That's pretty terrible, and those numbers are going to get even worse in this league.  

Doug Christie averaged 10.1 points in the year you selected, and was fairly mediocre at shooting.  He was also 33 years old.  Again, it's fair to say that his numbers are going to decline from there.

Two of your starters are most likely going to combine for around 15 points per game or less.  How can that combo hope to survive in this game?  Those two positions are going to be outscored by substantial margins every single night.

Ewing, Hill and Hardaway would make up for the offense that Christie or Brown would not produce. They're basically there for defense. Christie is the defensive stopper for either the PG or SG that Penny has to defend. The better guard it is, Christie gets him, to keep Penny fresh for his offens attack. Brown does the same thing.

And as bad as they we're statistically, they are threats none the less if you leave open, which keeps defenses honest, opening space for Hill and Penny to work with.

Brown and Christie are multiple time 2nd team all defense. Penny, GHill and Ewing could handle the load offensively. And this team has Rod Strickland, David Lee and Nick Anderson to put some more scoring in case its needed. But for the start of the game, I like having Christie and Brown in the lineup, for defense. Not their scoring abilities, but defense.

Roy's point and I agree with him, is you are essentially playing 3 on 5 on the offensive side of the floor.  Thus, you are essentially allowing teams to double team your better offensive players and thus neutralizing them a great deal.  If this was a regular basketball league, your team would be fine, but every team in this league has as much offensive firepower as Ewing, Hill, and Hardaway, plus they also have at least 1 if not 2 other players that can score.  

For example, I have 2 MVP's in my starting lineup as well as 18-26 point scorers from the other 3 spots.  You have two spots that don't even equal one spot on my team on the offensive end.  Defensive specialists are nice and all, but in a league like this they have no business starting (unless they are an all time great like say Rodman).  It is just far too much to give up on the offensive end.

I understand the stats d

[Moranis]

Thanks for the insight sir Roy. I do believe though that Christie and Brown fit this team perfect.

They do not need the ball as much, giving Penny and G-Hill and Ewing to make money on the court. They play tough nosed defense. And could hit open shots when left open.

I just don't think you can survive playing 2 mediocre or worse offensive players in your starting lineup, especially when most teams have 5 elite offensive talents starting.

P.J. Brown averaged 8.5 points and shot 44% in the year you selected.  That's pretty terrible, and those numbers are going to get even worse in this league.  

Doug Christie averaged 10.1 points in the year you selected, and was fairly mediocre at shooting.  He was also 33 years old.  Again, it's fair to say that his numbers are going to decline from there.

Two of your starters are most likely going to combine for around 15 points per game or less.  How can that combo hope to survive in this game?  Those two positions are going to be outscored by substantial margins every single night.

Ewing, Hill and Hardaway would make up for the offense that Christie or Brown would not produce. They're basically there for defense. Christie is the defensive stopper for either the PG or SG that Penny has to defend. The better guard it is, Christie gets him, to keep Penny fresh for his offens attack. Brown does the same thing.

And as bad as they we're statistically, they are threats none the less if you leave open, which keeps defenses honest, opening space for Hill and Penny to work with.

Brown and Christie are multiple time 2nd team all defense. Penny, GHill and Ewing could handle the load offensively. And this team has Rod Strickland, David Lee and Nick Anderson to put some more scoring in case its needed. But for the start of the game, I like having Christie and Brown in the lineup, for defense. Not their scoring abilities, but defense.

Roy's point and I agree with him, is you are essentially playing 3 on 5 on the offensive side of the floor.  Thus, you are essentially allowing teams to double team your better offensive players and thus neutralizing them a great deal.  If this was a regular basketball league, your team would be fine, but every team in this league has as much offensive firepower as Ewing, Hill, and Hardaway, plus they also have at least 1 if not 2 other players that can score.  

For example, I have 2 MVP's in my starting lineup as well as 18-26 point scorers from the other 3 spots.  You have two spots that don't even equal one spot on my team on the offensive end.  Defensive specialists are nice and all, but in a league like this they have no business starting (unless they are an all time great like say Rodman).  It is just far too much to give up on the offensive end.

I understand the stats d

But it isn't just about the stats, It is about how the offensive would work.  Take our two teams.  I put Bynum on Ewing, Pierce on Hill, Rose on Hardaway and can then use Malone and Johnson as roamers that can double team when ever they want or at least when it makes sense.   If Hardaway is having success backing Rose down or shooting over him, then I just put Johnson on him and use Rose as the roamer.  And I can do all of that because I don't have to worry about guarding PJ Brown or Doug Christie except in very rare circumstances.  You have hamstrung your team offensively by putting severely limited offensive players on it, and those two guys aren't good enough on the other side of the floor (or in the other intangibles) to overcome the serious offensive deficiency.  

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Thanks for the insight sir Roy. I do believe though that Christie and Brown fit this team perfect.

They do not need the ball as much, giving Penny and G-Hill and Ewing to make money on the court. They play tough nosed defense. And could hit open shots when left open.

I just don't think you can survive playing 2 mediocre or worse offensive players in your starting lineup, especially when most teams have 5 elite offensive talents starting.

P.J. Brown averaged 8.5 points and shot 44% in the year you selected.  That's pretty terrible, and those numbers are going to get even worse in this league.  

Doug Christie averaged 10.1 points in the year you selected, and was fairly mediocre at shooting.  He was also 33 years old.  Again, it's fair to say that his numbers are going to decline from there.

Two of your starters are most likely going to combine for around 15 points per game or less.  How can that combo hope to survive in this game?  Those two positions are going to be outscored by substantial margins every single night.

Ewing, Hill and Hardaway would make up for the offense that Christie or Brown would not produce. They're basically there for defense. Christie is the defensive stopper for either the PG or SG that Penny has to defend. The better guard it is, Christie gets him, to keep Penny fresh for his offens attack. Brown does the same thing.

And as bad as they we're statistically, they are threats none the less if you leave open, which keeps defenses honest, opening space for Hill and Penny to work with.

Brown and Christie are multiple time 2nd team all defense. Penny, GHill and Ewing could handle the load offensively. And this team has Rod Strickland, David Lee and Nick Anderson to put some more scoring in case its needed. But for the start of the game, I like having Christie and Brown in the lineup, for defense. Not their scoring abilities, but defense.

Roy's point and I agree with him, is you are essentially playing 3 on 5 on the offensive side of the floor.  Thus, you are essentially allowing teams to double team your better offensive players and thus neutralizing them a great deal.  If this was a regular basketball league, your team would be fine, but every team in this league has as much offensive firepower as Ewing, Hill, and Hardaway, plus they also have at least 1 if not 2 other players that can score.  

For example, I have 2 MVP's in my starting lineup as well as 18-26 point scorers from the other 3 spots.  You have two spots that don't even equal one spot on my team on the offensive end.  Defensive specialists are nice and all, but in a league like this they have no business starting (unless they are an all time great like say Rodman).  It is just far too much to give up on the offensive end.

I understand the stats dont really say so. But I dare any team to leave Doug Christie out the arc, an PJ Brown around the perimeter.

PJ Brown shot 43% (I think) on the year I chose for him, but let's try to understand that most of PJ's shots are from outside the paint. Jump shots. And for a man who's shooting at around 15-18 feet most of the game that's pretty good. We got caught into the notion where "a big man has to shoot 50% or above or he's inefficient", Brown is a spot up shooter, and a 43% 15-18 foot shooter is good enough for me.

Christie is a 39% 3 pointer. I dare people to leave him alone there. PKU he's a good passer, so if someone closes in on him and a teammate gets open, more times than not he will find him.

And and have I told anyone that those two are pretty good defenders?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Having problems posting on the phone. Sorry for flooding the thread you guys.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Thanks for the insight sir Roy. I do believe though that Christie and Brown fit this team perfect.

They do not need the ball as much, giving Penny and G-Hill and Ewing to make money on the court. They play tough nosed defense. And could hit open shots when left open.

I just don't think you can survive playing 2 mediocre or worse offensive players in your starting lineup, especially when most teams have 5 elite offensive talents starting.

P.J. Brown averaged 8.5 points and shot 44% in the year you selected.  That's pretty terrible, and those numbers are going to get even worse in this league. 

Doug Christie averaged 10.1 points in the year you selected, and was fairly mediocre at shooting.  He was also 33 years old.  Again, it's fair to say that his numbers are going to decline from there.

Two of your starters are most likely going to combine for around 15 points per game or less.  How can that combo hope to survive in this game?  Those two positions are going to be outscored by substantial margins every single night.

Ewing, Hill and Hardaway would make up for the offense that Christie or Brown would not produce. They're basically there for defense. Christie is the defensive stopper for either the PG or SG that Penny has to defend. The better guard it is, Christie gets him, to keep Penny fresh for his offens attack. Brown does the same thing.

And as bad as they we're statistically, they are threats none the less if you leave open, which keeps defenses honest, opening space for Hill and Penny to work with.

Brown and Christie are multiple time 2nd team all defense. Penny, GHill and Ewing could handle the load offensively. And this team has Rod Strickland, David Lee and Nick Anderson to put some more scoring in case its needed. But for the start of the game, I like having Christie and Brown in the lineup, for defense. Not their scoring abilities, but defense.

Start Smits over Brown. 


Your team defense will not take a hit and your offense will get a boost.  Stop thinking Smits is a defensive weakness.  He was part of a good team defense with the Pacers when the league still had multiple top level centers.

I really wanted to do this. I'm just not sure if Patrick could handle fast, athletic PF's.

[wdleehi]

Thanks for the insight sir Roy. I do believe though that Christie and Brown fit this team perfect.

They do not need the ball as much, giving Penny and G-Hill and Ewing to make money on the court. They play tough nosed defense. And could hit open shots when left open.

I just don't think you can survive playing 2 mediocre or worse offensive players in your starting lineup, especially when most teams have 5 elite offensive talents starting.

P.J. Brown averaged 8.5 points and shot 44% in the year you selected.  That's pretty terrible, and those numbers are going to get even worse in this league. 

Doug Christie averaged 10.1 points in the year you selected, and was fairly mediocre at shooting.  He was also 33 years old.  Again, it's fair to say that his numbers are going to decline from there.

Two of your starters are most likely going to combine for around 15 points per game or less.  How can that combo hope to survive in this game?  Those two positions are going to be outscored by substantial margins every single night.

Ewing, Hill and Hardaway would make up for the offense that Christie or Brown would not produce. They're basically there for defense. Christie is the defensive stopper for either the PG or SG that Penny has to defend. The better guard it is, Christie gets him, to keep Penny fresh for his offens attack. Brown does the same thing.

And as bad as they we're statistically, they are threats none the less if you leave open, which keeps defenses honest, opening space for Hill and Penny to work with.

Brown and Christie are multiple time 2nd team all defense. Penny, GHill and Ewing could handle the load offensively. And this team has Rod Strickland, David Lee and Nick Anderson to put some more scoring in case its needed. But for the start of the game, I like having Christie and Brown in the lineup, for defense. Not their scoring abilities, but defense.

Start Smits over Brown. 


Your team defense will not take a hit and your offense will get a boost.  Stop thinking Smits is a defensive weakness.  He was part of a good team defense with the Pacers when the league still had multiple top level centers.

I really wanted to do this. I'm just not sure if Patrick could handle fast, athletic PF's.

A young Ewing can handle most. 

The ones he would have issues with would likely have bigger issues trying to stop him. 


More to the point, is PJ Brown much faster then the younger version of Ewing?

[wdleehi]

And look at the other teams, which starting PF are you that worried about starting Ewing against?

[StartOrien]

Good job to both K-Cat and Kane. Even if Kane did draft Eddy Curry, and on purpose.

Lot of compliments to other teams that did pressers who Roy didn't rank as the #1 overall team...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PiXbw5pRts

[Bahku]

Here's the updated rotation/roster: (Please view in "wide" mode)

 
 

 

Downeast Diablos 2012 Roster

 
 

Pos	Starting Five	HT	WT	MPG	FG%	3PT%	FT%	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	PPG	Efficiency	Year
PG -	Kenny Anderson	6 - 0	168	28	.417	.303	.818	3.9	9.6	1.9	0.2	18.8	+16.41	1993-1994
SG -	Mitch Richmond	6 - 5	215	30	.468	.367	.810	5.9	4.2	1.0	0.2	20.2	+17.59	1988-1989
SF -	Andrei Kirilenko	6 - 9	225	30	.443	.338	.790	8.1	3.1	1.9	2.8	16.5	+19.12	2003-2004
PF -	Charles Oakley	6 - 9	245	24	.445	.367	.686	13.1	3.6	1.0	0.4	14.5	+15.40	1986-1987
C   -	Dikembe Mutombo	7 - 2	260	34	.562	.000	.708	14.1	1.3	0.3	3.3	11.5	+17.21	1999-2000
Pos	Bench Five	HT	WT	MPG	FG%	3PT%	FT%	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	PPG	Efficiency	Year
PG -	Allen Iverson	6 - 0	165	20	.424	.308	.835	4.0	7.9	2.4	0.1	30.7	+20.92	2004-2005
SG -	Kevin Martin	6 - 7	185	18	.473	.381	.844	4.3	2.2	1.2	0.1	20.2	+16.30	2006-2007
SF -	Ron Harper	6 - 6	185	18	.455	.213	.684	4.8	4.8	2.5	1.0	22.9	+17.20	1986-1987
PF -	Amar'e Stoudemire	6 -11	260	24	.502	.435	.792	9.6	2.6	0.9	1.9	25.3	+22.24	2010-2011
C   -	Roy Hibbert	7 - 2	260	14	.461	.000	.745	7.5	2.0	0.4	1.8	12.7	+15.90	2012-2011
Pos	Alternates	HT	WT	MPG	FG%	3PT%	FT%	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	PPG	Efficiency	Year
PG -	Damon Stoudamire	5 -10	171	8	.401	.355	.823	4.1	8.8	1.5	0.2	20.2	+18.10	1996-1997
SG/SF	Klay Thompson	6 - 7	205	6	.443	.414	.868	2.4	2.0	0.7	0.3	12.5	+10.21	2011-2012
SF/PF	Larry Johnson	6 - 7	235	12	.526	.254	.767	10.5	4.3	0.6	0.3	22.1	+16.33	1992-1993

** Here's a short video clip from last year's Diablos Championship victory, (one we feel confident about repeating), and our now retired super-star and current spokeperson, Elliot Richards ... he has set a new standard of excellence in the league, and embodies the pride, spirit and over-the-top effort that make our club so special. This truly reflects what being a member of Diablos Basketball is all about. **


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F4W0R1Zr_8


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[wdleehi]

I would start Larry Johnson or Amare.  Actually, with the SF you have, I would start Larry Johnson at SF (where he played after his injury for NY)


AK and Oakley make better fits around AI.