Trading up Rumor possible targets

[rondohondo]

don't know why everyone brings up Zellar, the guy is going to be a hansborough type scrub at the next level. He is so soft, plays no defense( didn't even raise his hand up on the Austin Rivers game winner in his face ). He's got some decent offensive moves, nice touch and can run the floor , but he has career backup written all over him. At best he is Nenad Kristic(after the knee surgeries) .

Myeres Leonard is a guy who intrigues me a lot more. I think he is bigger, stronger,more athletic , good footwork and hook. He to me is going to be in the mold of a Gortat .

[sofutomygaha]

I wish that the Johnson/Bradley comparison was justified, because I'd like to think we were sitting on a future starting-quality player too. The problem is that Bradley came into the league injured in his rookie year and he ascended gradually from rehab to d-league star to occasional game-changer in the garbage games at the end of the 2010-2011 season. Bradley has been on an impressive upward trajectory from day 1.

JJJ, by contrast, has been healthy and ready to go this whole time. He has gotten looks in garbage time and has looked mostly lost. More importantly, he's been with the big club all season and hasn't managed to break into the second unit in spite of the injuries that destroyed essentially all of the frontcourt depth that stood in his way.

I have also felt like JJJ should get a chance to prove himself, but the reality is that he probably has already had his chance. He already wasn't worth much as a late 1st rounder in a terrible draft class. To make matters worse, he's a "stretch 4," which is code for "a guy who isn't big enough to play 4 or skilled enough to play 3." Having shown nothing his rookie year, he is barely worth a 2nd rounder in trade now... and most teams would rather spend a pick like that on a giant dude who can't play at all rather than a 6'9 dude who can play a little.

Moore is more interesting, because he's shown stretches where he could plug in and hold his own. He has very little upside, but he could be a low-mistake player off the bench that can shoot, distribute, and handle the ball a little bit. He has more value to us, having spent a year learning to play with our guys, than he does to anyone else. It wouldn't make much sense to trade him for a new pick.

I support the idea of trading our two kinda lame picks for one less lame pick. If JJJ helps make that happen great, but I doubt it'll go down that way. I'd be shocked if we could get into Sullinger/Zeller territory in any case.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Like Zeller, but the last center from UNC the Celtics took was Eric Montross

I'm sending you my therapist's bill this week.

God, I hated that pick.

[ManUp]

I'm pretty sure that it was Plumlee that caught the facial from Rivers not Zeller. With that said I too see career backup for Zeller a very solid backup but a backup none the less. I'm also not in love with the idea of trading our two first rounders for a pick after the top ten. This draft is deep and a lot of the talent will be comparable from 10-20. I think Danny just wants to move up because he thinks the best bigs will be gone. IMHO, the bigs projected in that range (Henson,  Leonard, Zeller, and Moultrie) aren't worth two first rounders in this draft.

[Celtics4ever]

I am not crazy about Zeller either his brother is better.

[Smitty77]

Manup,

How could it be Plumlee when they BOTH play for Duke???:-))  It was definitely Charmin Zeller.  Remember, Zeller actually gave the game away by bricking free throws and tapping in a Duke miss and then he lost his jock strap thanks to Rivers and it is still on the Smith Center floor in Chapel Hill:-)))))))))

I would not waste the last pick of the first round on Zeller.  He is a JOKE!!!!

Smitty77

[ManUp]

Manup,

How could it be Plumlee when they BOTH play for Duke???:-))  It was definitely Charmin Zeller.  Remember, Zeller actually gave the game away by bricking free throws and tapping in a Duke miss and then he lost his jock strap thanks to Rivers and it is still on the Smith Center floor in Chapel Hill:-)))))))))

I would not waste the last pick of the first round on Zeller.  He is a JOKE!!!!

Smitty77

I stand corrected.

[ScoobyDoo]

I'm a "big" fan of just standing pat with our picks and trying to land two good, young and solid contributors off the bench.

We need to round out our depth of young players who can jet up and down the floor with Rondo.

Right now we've got JJJ, Bass, Jeff Green (I do expect him to sign with us), Moore (I'd like to keep him) and Avery Bradley.

I wouldn't mind adding to that any of the following:

Plumlee, Ezeli, Melo
O'Quinn, Moultrie, White, Nicolson
Harkless, Taylor, Green, Joseph
Ross, Lamb, Jenkins...

I'd rather sink my cap space into a coupe max money starters and use this draft to build depth for a couple years down the road when Rondo is around 28.

I'm also nervous about trading 2-1, if you miss on that one guy, you're done.

I wouldn't give up JJJ - think he has a lot of upside in an uptempo team with Rondo leading the break. Also a lot of potential as a weak side defender with his lateral quickness as a big man. His combination of speed and quick leaping ability isn't that common for a guy 6'11".

I'd give him another year, a full summer league, a full training camp and 12 months in the gym before I'd set him loose.       

[clover]

don't know why everyone brings up Zellar, the guy is going to be a hansborough type scrub at the next level. He is so soft, plays no defense( didn't even raise his hand up on the Austin Rivers game winner in his face ). He's got some decent offensive moves, nice touch and can run the floor , but he has career backup written all over him. At best he is Nenad Kristic(after the knee surgeries) .

Myeres Leonard is a guy who intrigues me a lot more. I think he is bigger, stronger,more athletic , good footwork and hook. He to me is going to be in the mold of a Gortat .

The new DraftExpress mock, taking team needs into account, has the C's landing Leonard and Fournier, which I think would be a great get for Danny--even if he had to move up a few picks to bag Leonard.

[ianboyextreme]

Taking a brake from the present and looking to the future...

There has been a rumor out there that the Cs are inquiring about moving up in this draft as are the Rockets. With the possibility of the Cs moving from 21+22 up to probably the 12-15 range.

Possible trades being

Bucks 12 for 21+22+ JJJ/moore or future 2nd

Suns 13 for 21+22+ JJJ/moore or future 2nd

Phili 15+45 for 21+22+51

Houston its only likely we trade into the 14 spot if another team is involved. Don't see the rockets wanting 3 guaranteed rookies next season

With that said these are the players who could potentially be available if the Cs trade up

8 player who will not drop out of top 12
A Davis
T Robinson
M Kidd-Gilchrist
B Beal
H Barnes
A Drummond

These players will likely go between 8-15 and could be targets for the Cs to move up for

J Sullinger   Ive already go on and on how I think he will be a great fit as a C/PF and give the Cs a legit post scorer

P Jones III   Super Star potential but high risk, if he was any motor Rondo could make him a perrenail allstar, scares me with likely hood to bust
 
T Jones    not super high on him but a future combo of Jones and J Green at 3+4 with Rondo and AB pushing the pace would be interesting to see teams match up with

J Lamb     Ideal physical attributes at SG and has the length to play some 3

J Henson   alot like JJJ, I think strength will always be an issue, prefer not to trade up for him

T Zeller   perfect fit for current rost, could come in and start next season, 12pt 7rb guy as rookie, but lower potential ceiling then the rest of top 15

T Ross     will be an above average scorer in the NBA, athletic with good size

Moe Harkless     Dark Horse, I really think he is going to climb draft boards after the combine and private workouts, he has all the physical traits of an elite SF just needs to show enough perimeter skills


Players I dont think the Cs trade up for

A Rivers    redundant with AB and create team problems because of Doc
D Lillard   can't see danny moving up for PG
K Marshall  can't see danny moving up for PG


If the Cs do a 2 for 1 trade in the first I would also like to see them try to get a pick in the 35-45 rang in the 2nd. This draft has a solid group of role players who have little potential to develop further but who will definetly be bench contributors in the NBA.

possible 35-45

Robert Sacre     great size/man defender
Hollis Thompson  tall shooting SF
Darius Miller    solid SF role player
K O'Quinn        good size and length 4/5
K Jones          productive college player powe/haslem like
J Crowder        undersized at the 3 but strong and good bball IQ


 





   

See i just dont like any of the players in the 12-16 range enough to trade up. I think several players drafted in the 20's will have just as good a carrer as any of them. I would rather not follow hype and draft Andrew Nicholson or Draymond Green or maybe both with our picks in the early 20's.

[lightspeed5]

I hadnt thought about that point, but I think the emergence of Bradley makes the Austin Rivers discussions moot.  Good call

for a team that has problems with offensive droughts, i think a player who excels at shooting and scoring would be a high priority.

[birdwatcher]

I hadnt thought about that point, but I think the emergence of Bradley makes the Austin Rivers discussions moot.  Good call

I don't think that's necessarily true. Not only does Bradley play well with Rondo, but I heard Ainge say that Bradley's game is well suited to play alongside another combo guard. You could play a 3 guard rotation of Rondo, Rivers, & Bradley, giving each around 32 mpg. While they might be a smallish trio, this would be reminiscent of the old Pistons (Thomas, Dumars, Microwave), where each brought a different element to the table. Not a bad problem to have if you're Doc.

Plus, Rivers role would be straight up scorer. He'd be able to come in right away and play and would be the only one besides Pierce who could create his own shot and give us a much needed upgrade on offense. Just undersized...

[BballTim]

Lowry "can't co-exist with McHale"...

Lowry + Scola for Rondo + 21 + 22 + JJJ + Moore (for salary reasons) ??  Houston could surely move up in the draft with now 3 first round picks.  And bring back the gang plus Green for one more go?

  We're giving up the best player plus draft picks? And we take on Scola and his contract? Scola's 32, scores and rebounds about like Bass and is owed over $30M over the next 3 years. We're getting robbed big time in that deal.

[bfrombleacher]

Lowry "can't co-exist with McHale"...

Lowry + Scola for Rondo + 21 + 22 + JJJ + Moore (for salary reasons) ??  Houston could surely move up in the draft with now 3 first round picks.  And bring back the gang plus Green for one more go?

  We're giving up the best player plus draft picks? And we take on Scola and his contract? Scola's 32, scores and rebounds about like Bass and is owed over $30M over the next 3 years. We're getting robbed big time in that deal.

Scola scores better than Bass.

[BballTim]

Lowry "can't co-exist with McHale"...

Lowry + Scola for Rondo + 21 + 22 + JJJ + Moore (for salary reasons) ??  Houston could surely move up in the draft with now 3 first round picks.  And bring back the gang plus Green for one more go?

  We're giving up the best player plus draft picks? And we take on Scola and his contract? Scola's 32, scores and rebounds about like Bass and is owed over $30M over the next 3 years. We're getting robbed big time in that deal.

Scola scores better than Bass.

  He shoots a little more often, but he has the same eFG% and TS%.