Trading up Rumor possible targets

[csfansince60s]

Lowry "can't co-exist with McHale"...

Lowry + Scola for Rondo + 21 + 22 + JJJ + Moore (for salary reasons) ??  Houston could surely move up in the draft with now 3 first round picks.  And bring back the gang plus Green for one more go?

  We're giving up the best player plus draft picks? And we take on Scola and his contract? Scola's 32, scores and rebounds about like Bass and is owed over $30M over the next 3 years. We're getting robbed big time in that deal.

I'd want Kevin Martin thrown in there if we are giving up the best player in Rondo and eating Scola's contract...and at the most only give up the 22nd pick).

[bfrombleacher]

Lowry "can't co-exist with McHale"...

Lowry + Scola for Rondo + 21 + 22 + JJJ + Moore (for salary reasons) ??  Houston could surely move up in the draft with now 3 first round picks.  And bring back the gang plus Green for one more go?

  We're giving up the best player plus draft picks? And we take on Scola and his contract? Scola's 32, scores and rebounds about like Bass and is owed over $30M over the next 3 years. We're getting robbed big time in that deal.

Scola scores better than Bass.

  He shoots a little more often, but he has the same eFG% and TS%.

I was always under the impression he could kind of create his own shot.

Not supporting the trade though. Giving up youth for a lateral move is the last thing we need in my opinion.

[esel1000]

Lowry "can't co-exist with McHale"...

Lowry + Scola for Rondo + 21 + 22 + JJJ + Moore (for salary reasons) ??  Houston could surely move up in the draft with now 3 first round picks.  And bring back the gang plus Green for one more go?

  We're giving up the best player plus draft picks? And we take on Scola and his contract? Scola's 32, scores and rebounds about like Bass and is owed over $30M over the next 3 years. We're getting robbed big time in that deal.

I'd want Kevin Martin thrown in there if we are giving up the best player in Rondo and eating Scola's contract...and at the most only give up the 22nd pick).

Same. But its an awful trade to start with. We need to rebuild here, trades like that are exactly how you dont rebuild

[LooseCannon]

To make matters worse, he's a "stretch 4," which is code for "a guy who isn't big enough to play 4 or skilled enough to play 3."

The Celtics roster desperately needs a good stretch 4 with three-point range.

[Galeto]

Zeller is really underrated.  He's a fantastic athlete.  I think if he had never picked up basketball, he could've been a decathlete.  He's such a smooth and fluid runner and incredibly light on his feet.  He's going to be one of the top five fastest big man when he enters the league.  The biggest knock on him before the season was that he got pushed around too much but that barely happened his senior season.

Zeller can score in the post with either hand, is a option on pick and pops and is very aware defensively in reading the play and taking a ton of charges.  I don't see how he's not a solid or better starter eventually.  Guys who are a legitimate 7 feet, with a good basketball IQ, high skill level and excellent athleticism are not easy to come by.  He's a lot like Gasol in the sense that he'll run the floor, score in the post and from outside but a big difference is that he's one of the worst passers out of double teams I've ever seen.

[nostar]

Lowry "can't co-exist with McHale"...

Lowry + Scola for Rondo + 21 + 22 + JJJ + Moore (for salary reasons) ??  Houston could surely move up in the draft with now 3 first round picks.  And bring back the gang plus Green for one more go?

You don't trade Rondo. He's seriously an MVP candidate. You only trade superstar talent under a few circumstances:

• You're getting superstar talent back
• Personality conflicts
• Age/Injury

Rondo won't fetch superstar talent. We tried and failed. As much as I've heard about his emotional problems all I really see is a hyper-competitive guy. I love that. Larry Bird was hyper-competitive. Rondo is young, has a great contract and is a superstar talent. No way I trade him for Lowry...and an expensive Scola...and give away picks. The young guys can go. I'd take on Scola's bad contract for the Purdue-2 and a pick. Lowry for Rondo is highway robbery for Houston.

I would only trade Rondo for a few people in the NBA, all of whom average more than 25 points a game. You don't trade someone with the intangibles of Rondo for anything but scoring and leadership. Also he has a GREAT contract. He is probably the best contract in the NBA right now talent for dollar. Definitely the best if you rule out rookie wage scale contracts.

The last problem with this trade is that Rondo runs our show. We trade him and all of our chemistry is gone. Lowry has never had to run a championship team. He's never gotten criticized on the level Rondo has and he's certainly not the facilitator that Rondo is.

Add a 3-point shot to Rondo's game and he's the best point guard in the NBA hands down. Let's keep him for as long as we can.

[Galeto]

The last problem with this trade is that Rondo runs our show.

I actually think that's a big problem of ours currently.  Starting about three years ago, in a game against Milwaukee I remember, the Celtics started putting the ball in Rondo's hands all the time.  He got nearly every outlet, to the point that when he didn't get it, he would run up to players like Ray like it was middle school and demand the ball.  And what has Rondo running the show gotten the Celtics offense?  An offense that's rated in the bottom third the last three seasons, bottoming out this season.

When the Celtics won the championship, Rondo didn't even close some of the games against the Lakers.  In the huge comeback in game 4, House was the one who hit the shot from a Pierce pass that put the Celtics ahead for the first time all game in the fourth quarter.  I doubt that happens if Rondo was in the game.  That championship was won without one guy dominating the ball all the time like Rondo does now and multiple guys bringing the ball up and the offense starting from different points.

The only two times the Celtics have rated in the top 10 on offense the past five seasons is when the Celtics didn't play Rondo Ball. 

[Leon0]

well down

[BostonNative]

Well i'll admittedly say I don't watch college because players are overly hyped and never amount to anything. (tyler hansbrough)

I usually careless about the draft but this year has reeled me in  and the fact that we have 2 mid range 1st rounders is intriguing. of all things I think now is the best time of any to possibly even trade down with Cleveland (their 1st and both 2nds for our 21 and 51 -possibly bass if needed).


Or trade our 22nd to the warriors for their 30th and 1st 2013.

I strongly believe we will get a 2-guard in free agency i dont see why not go after Mayo, J.R smith, shannon brown, or eric gordon.

also think we should chase Javale( not over the top i cant imagine that idiot with too much money) or blind faith in Ogden.

Did  not mention hibbert because no way pacers are letting him go.

Last but not least i think in the next FA we will land my favorite play Josh smith, any opinions?

[slamtheking]

[quote author=BostonNative link=topic=56161.msg1221999#msg1221999  of all things I think now is the best time of any to possibly even trade down with Cleveland (their 1st and both 2nds for our 21 and 51 -possibly bass if needed).


Or trade our 22nd to the warriors for their 30th and 1st 2013.

I strongly believe we will get a 2-guard in free agency i dont see why not go after Mayo, J.R smith, shannon brown, or eric gordon.

also think we should chase Javale( not over the top i cant imagine that idiot with too much money) or blind faith in Ogden.

Did  not mention hibbert because no way pacers are letting him go.

Last but not least i think in the next FA we will land my favorite play Josh smith, any opinions?
[/quote]
I wouldn't be against trading down but I don't see the Warriors coughing up a future first any time soon that's not heavily protected for year.   would prefer to use the picks to get 3 good players for next year to start rebuilding

[BostonNative]

yeah nothing but i was just looking at many mock drafts and a lot of people who were projected to go mid 1st seem to get pushed to the 2nd and I was thinking of stealing more 2nd rounders than we can get 1 first rounder we love and 2 high 2nd rounders...seems like a win win

[Cman]

Echoing some recent posters -- I really like the idea of trading one of our firsts for a future first -- it will help maintain flexibility to swing a trade going forward. There's only so much raw unproven talent that a team can carry. Between Avery, JJJ, Moore and Steemer, we've got a bunch of it already.

[BballTim]

The last problem with this trade is that Rondo runs our show.

I actually think that's a big problem of ours currently.  Starting about three years ago, in a game against Milwaukee I remember, the Celtics started putting the ball in Rondo's hands all the time.  He got nearly every outlet, to the point that when he didn't get it, he would run up to players like Ray like it was middle school and demand the ball.  And what has Rondo running the show gotten the Celtics offense?  An offense that's rated in the bottom third the last three seasons, bottoming out this season.

  The team gets good shots and scores efficiently with Rondo running the show. The reason the offense is in the bottom third is because we're a historically bad offensive rebounding team.

[csfansince60s]

Or trade our 22nd to the warriors for their 30th and 1st 2013.

.....Or trade our 22nd for their 30th, 35th and 52nd.

[CFAN38]

Cs are rumored on twitter (not the greatest source) to be working out T Ross today in miami.


If this is true I could see the 3 guard rotation of the future being Rondo, AB, and Ross. They would compliment each other well.

PG Rondo 36 minutes, Ab 12 minutes
SG AB 24 minutes, Ross 24 (then ross can also play some 3)