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Chad Ford Mock Draft 4.0 - Celtics Picks
« on: May 02, 2012, 12:07:21 PM »

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Well now that we know where we are definitely picking let's see who Ford has us taking this time around.

With the 21st pick the Boston Celtics select:

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Fab Melo

Position: C
Height: 7-foot
Weight: 274 pounds
Age: 21
School: Syracuse

Analysis: The Celtics are in desperate need of size. While Melo is miles away from being ready, he is big and can block shots and rebound. If he stays focused and in shape, he could be good value here.

With the 22nd pick via the Clippers the Boston Celtics select:

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Royce White

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 240 pounds
Age: 20
School: Iowa State

Analysis: White is an enigma. He's clearly one of the most talented players in the draft, but concerns about an anxiety disorder and fear of flying will lower his stock. Celtics president Danny Ainge hasn't been afraid to gamble in the past and White could be worth the risk at this point in the draft.


As for the rest of the draft. Here is his mock:

1 ) Charlotte - Anthony Davis
2 ) Washington - Mikchael Kidd-Gilchrist
3 ) Cleveland - Bradley Beal
4 ) New Orleans - Thomas Robinson
5 ) Sacramento - Andre Drummond
6 ) Portland via N J- Harrison Barnes
7 ) Golden State - Perry Jones III
8 ) Toronto - Damian Lillard
9 ) Detroit - John Henson
10 ) New Orleans via Minny - Kendall Marshall
11 ) Portland - Tyler Zeller
12 ) Milwaukee - Jared Sullinger
13 ) Phoenix - Austin Rivers
14 ) Houston - Terrence Jones
15 ) Philly - Terrence Ross
16 ) Houston via NY - Arnett Moultrie
17 ) Dallas - Jeremy Lamb
18 ) Minny via Utah - Dion Waiters
19 ) Orlando - Meyers Leonard
20 ) Denver - Quincy Miller
21 ) Boston - Fab Melo
22 ) Boston via LAC - Royce White
23 ) Atlanta - Tony Wroten Jr.
24 ) Cleveland via LAL - Moe Harkless
25 ) Memphis - Jeff Taylor
26 ) Indiana - Marquise Teague
27 ) Miami - Draymond Green
28 ) Oklahoma City - Evan Fournier
29 ) Chicago - Doron Lamb
30 ) Golden State via SA - Andrew Nicholson
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Re: Chad Ford Mock Draft 4.0 - Celtics Picks
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2012, 12:48:09 PM »

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I'd jump on Fab Melo. Pass on Royce White. I think White is a very good player, but this team doesn't need another undersized PF project. We've had enough of those in the Danny Ainge Era.

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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2012, 12:58:00 PM »

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I'd jump on Fab Melo. Pass on Royce White. I think White is a very good player, but this team doesn't need another undersized PF project. We've had enough of those in the Danny Ainge Era.

Yeah I would rather have Fab Melo and Toney Wroten Jr.


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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2012, 01:19:31 PM »

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Wasn't Melo held out of the NCAA tournament because of academic ineligibility? Is that an indication that he may not have the smarts to comprehend a complex pro offense/defense?

Remember Gerald Green--Biggest upside of almost any draft pick we've had in the last 15 years, just didn't understand basketball.

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2012, 01:31:22 PM »

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Why does every mock have us taking Royce White?  I really wasn't that impressed with him.  This team needs size and he's an undersized PF.

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I can't remember which other recent mock draft site I saw had us taking all guards (disturbing lack of vision on their part) but also had Moultrie and Harkless available when we pick.  If that was the case, those would be the 2 I'd grab.

Not a fan of Melo.  Only reason he's gets taken in the first round is speculation on his projected development.  Has major bust potential for a first rounder.  Decent value for a second rounder.

White would be ok but not optimal -- undersized PF.

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I like the Fab Melo pick. As people are saying that you should not draft for need, I think at this stage of the draft it's pretty reasonable.

He's a project, but there's not a lot of 7 footers who can block shots so I like the pick.

Royce White is a bit of a meh for me. Looking at who is available there, i'd rather have Nicholson or Evan Fournier. Although White is way more talented, Nicholson is an inch taller(which is significant) and much more comfortable playing PF and who can stretch the floor because he has range. White is still an uncertain if he's PF or SF and that could take a while to figure out., so I'd take the next best thing. Fournier is a scorer, someone who we could have off the bench.
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Wasn't Melo held out of the NCAA tournament because of academic ineligibility? Is that an indication that he may not have the smarts to comprehend a complex pro offense/defense?

Remember Gerald Green--Biggest upside of almost any draft pick we've had in the last 15 years, just didn't understand basketball.
He was also taking all his classes in his second language coming from a country where his education probably wasn't as strong.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2012, 02:02:23 PM »

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Chad Ford is not the most gifted mind at creating Mock Drafts.  In each of his first three mock drafts he had the Celts taking two under-sized PFs in the first round, even though the Celts main need is size.  Now he has them taking a head case C who has never played man-to-man defense and a head case under-sized PF who is terrified of flying on planes.

Guess what?  In the NBA, teams play man-to-man defense and fly on planes every single day.

Royce White wouldn't be the worst pick (considering the C's have two in the first), but he is an under-sized PF prospect with a reputation for not only mentally checking out of games but also being afraid to get on airplanes.  Those aren't good traits, especially if the team doesn't have vet influences like KG around next season.

Fab Melo would be a horrible pick and will be a DUD in the NBA.  Not only is he dumb (and I say this respectfully), but he's so dumb that a top-tier program like Syracuse couldn't even keep him on the court for part of the regular season and the entire tourney.  Do you know the leeway top-tier programs get with their players?  They get tutors, they get to re-take tests, they get graded on curves, they get summer school, and I wouldn't put fudging grades past them.  Melo has to be beyond dumb to get kicked off the team twice in one season.  Dumb human beings don't usually get smarter when the pressure turns up and they become millionaires.   

Leaving his intelligence aside, Melo has NEVER played man-to-man defense or pick-and-roll defense, and all of his wonderful blocks come from lingering in the paint in a zone.  If he lingers in the paint in the NBA, it's called 'Defensive 3 Seconds.'  He has to learn an entirely new system of playing defense.  He also has NO offensive game to speak of.

I wrote the following on April 10th, when I listed the players I think the Celts should look at in the first round: "I’ve always been a big Syracuse Orange fan, but I have a rule: Don’t draft Syracuse players!  They never turn out well in the NBA.  I’m including Carmelo in that statement.  They don’t get enough exposure at man-to-man defense and defending the pick-and-roll (which is the NBA’s bread and butter), their offense usually revolves around perimeter chucking and iso plays, and they’re notoriously poor free throw shooters and rebounders.  Hakim Warrick was one of my all-time faves and I so badly wanted the Celts to draft him, but he turned out to be just a marginal player.  This rule is why I have no Syracuse players on this list, though I was very tempted to add Dion Waiters."

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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2012, 02:06:15 PM »

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And, as not to slam Ford and then not accept criticism myself, here are the players I thought the Celts should look at with their 2 first-round picks:

a) Terrence Jones (Kentucky, Soph., SF, 6’9” 240lbs.) – Watching Jones, you can see the unbelievable talent beneath the surface that has yet to be tapped.  He seemingly skates the surface of his talent, and in college he gets away with it.  The NBA will be a different story if he doesn’t start playing hard and smart consistently.  This is actually an issue with a lot of Wildcats, dating back to before Coach Calipari.  Cousins, Rondo, Magloire, Mercer, Anderson, Walker, Delk, McCarty…  Everything comes so easy for them in college that they expect it to be the same in the NBA.  It isn’t, and they’re slow learners.  Some eventually learn and become All Star-level contributors.  Some don’t learn and become busts with untapped potential.  Some, like Walker, skate by their entire career, living in the grey between All Star and bust – they may make a few All Star teams, but they’re always considered a letdown based on their high potential.  Jones has the potential to be an All Star and the inconsistency to be a bust.  Under Doc, with three HOF-ers around him, you hope for the former…much like Rondo.  Jones will be hard to pass up if he drops to #17, which, due to his inconsistency, many analysts believe will happen.
*Jones may have (somehow) played himself into a top-15 pick. 

b) James McAdoo (UNC, Fresh., SF, 6’9” 225lbs.) – He is a frosh with huge potential and unrealized athleticism.  His game is fluid and he’s able to work inside and out.  He’s not big enough to man the post often, but he should be able to score at and defend the SF position.  He’s probably not ready for an immediate impact in the NBA – not on a team like the Celts – but he’d be a great piece to match with Rondo, Bradley, JaJuan, and Moore, when looking toward the future.  He has the potential to become the best player to come out of this draft, and therefore may be gone before the Celtics select.  *He may not declare for the draft, so this is moot if he stays in school (which I hope he does; they all should).
*Went back to UNC for his sophomore season.  Hope the Celts can trade up to grab him next season!  He could be a perennial All Star.

c) John Henson (UNC, Jun., PF, 6’10” 220lbs.) – He’s skinny, but he is an unbelievable athlete with tremendous upside.  I like that he stayed in school through his junior season to improve his overall game (and learn something too, I’m sure).  He needs to add weight to his frame, so maybe he and JaJuan can spend the summer working out together.

d) Terrence Ross (Washington, Soph., SG, 6’6” 195lbs.) – He’s a prototypical shooter/scorer who lacks experience.  He’s not yet a solid dribbler or iso player, but he can come off screens and hit open shots.  I’ve watched him play a few games and he has a bit of an IT factor when it comes to offense, but is less talented on the defensive side.  A team like the Celts (with KG around) will beat defense into him, but it will take time.  He’s a bigger, more talented E’Twaun Moore, and could be a good backup to Allen, but he won’t be ready to start as a rookie.  If Ross is drafted and Allen unsigned, the Celts will need to sign a free agent SG (Gordon?).  Ross is a couple of seasons away from being an everyday contributor.

e) Arnett Moultrie (MSU, Jun., PF, 6’10” 230lbs.) – Great size and build for a power forward.  Can step right in and bang with the big boys.  Not overly skilled offensively or defensively, but he has tremendous potential to be a solid NBA contributor, albeit probably not a game-changer.  Shoots 55% from the field, which is very efficient for a college player.  I like that he’s a junior with NBA-ready size.  Analysts are split on where he will land, with some projecting top-10 and others late-first.

f) Tyler Zeller (UNC, Sen., C, 6’11” 240lbs.) – My only concern with Zeller is that he has likely already reached his potential.  He’s a senior who plays in a pro system, which is a good thing; however, he likely won’t improve much when he enters the NBA.  He’s big, but can still be pushed around by college players, so true centers in the NBA may destroy him.  He’s quick, but not exceptionally quick, so NBA power forwards will likely go around him.  With this Zeller (and not his younger bro Cody), you’ll likely get what you see, which makes him a rather safe bet for a pick in the 20s.  But, when have we seen Danny play it safe?

g) Tony Mitchell (North Texas, Fresh., PF, 6’9” 220lbs.) – Reminds me quite a bit of Perkins.  He’s not as big and won’t be able to thrive at C, but he has the build and tenacity to really bring it every night in the post, especially on the defensive end.  Scouts say he’s one of the best defenders in the draft.  He’s also a terrific rebounder and shot blocker for his size.  He brings almost nothing on the offensive end unless it’s within three feet of the basket, but he will make himself a presence on defense.  Danny and Doc may take a flier on this 19-year-old, giving him an opportunity to learn from KG, much like Perkins was able to.

h) Perry Jones III (Baylor, Soph., PF, 6’11 235lbs.) – First of all, I love his length.  However, he’s not a C and is barely considered a PF.  Many consider him to be a long SF.  That’s fine because the Celts need depth at SF and increased team length.  His numbers across the board have dipped in his sophomore season, and despite an increase in shot attempts he is averaging fewer points (at an obviously lower FG%).  However, it is nice to see a sophomore average 13ppg and 8rpb, and you hope that under Doc he learns to assert himself and attack the basket.  One final caution: How does a near-7-footer average only 3 free throw attempts per game in college?  All Jones has to do is catch the ball on the block and attack the basket.  His attempts should be between 4-5 per game, minimum.  Not a good sign.  But, length is impossible to teach and his potential is sky high.

i) Doron Lamb (Kentucky, Soph., SG, 6’4” 200lbs.) – He’s a bulk scorer with a terrific jumper and confidence out his wazoo.  He’s a bit slight for a SG and doesn’t have the handle to be a PG, so he’s stuck between positions, but the Celts need scorers and this kid can score.  However, if he doesn’t up his tenacity on defense, he’ll never see the court under Doc.

j) Thomas Robinson (Kansas, Jun., PF, 6’8” 240lbs.) – If I were a GM in need of a PF, I would absolutely draft this kid.  He’s talented and intelligent.  He scores efficiently (17ppg, 52% FG) and rebounds (11rpg).  He’s a terrific team defender and a capable one-on-one defender.  He’s a bit undersized at PF, but makes up for it with instinct and a knack for being in the right place on offense and defense.  He’s a gamer.  He’d be better off going to a good team with a well-run organization because he’s not the type of player that can ‘save’ a Wizards or Hornets team, but he can be an excellent contributor to a competing team.  Though Ainge does tend to draft the best talent available, he is unlikely to draft Robinson if he retains KG, Bass, and JaJuan (big ifs all around). 
*I think he played his way during March Madness into being a top-5 pick.

k) Draymond Green (Mich. St., Sen., PF, 6’6” 235lbs.) – Every team is going to overlook this guy and he is going to be NBA gold.  I screamed out DeJuan Blair’s name three years ago and every team until San Antonio at #37 abandoned logic and drafted someone else.  He was the steal of the draft.  Green could very well be the steal of this draft.  Green is tenacious on offense and defense, and has the ability to play inside and out.  His heart and desire to win surpass his size and speed limitations.  Though he’ll probably never develop into a star, he’s the kind of leader you want on your team.  With two picks in the first round, Ainge may be able to take a flier on a guy who may never develop into a top-3 scoring option for the Celts, but will undeniably win games with his hustle, intelligence, and grit.

l) Jeffery Taylor (Vanderbilt, Sen., SF, 6’7” 225lbs.) – Not the sexiest pick, but the kid did average double figures on 50% FG all four years at Vanderbilt.  He’s the type of player who likely already reached his ceiling, but could easily come in and begin contributing immediately.  He belongs on a team like the Celts, Spurs, Bulls, or Thunder; teams who know who they are and who they’re looking for.  Most years, he’d probably be a late-first, early-second round pick, but this year he’s being slotted in the late-teens.  It remains to be seen if Danny will select a solid contributor who doesn’t show much potential for game-changing growth.  He’d be a good choice with the Celtics’ second first-round pick, depending on who is available.

m) Festus Ezeli (Vanderbilt, Sen., C, 6’11” 255lbs.) – I watched Ezeli in the tourney and placed him on the list because I liked his hustle and tough play.  He’s not an exceptional athlete and will never be a force on offense, but he has traits the Celts can refine and utilize; size being one.

Wildcard) Austin Rivers – I don’t think he’ll drop to #21 because of the hype surrounding him, but I’m also hesitant to say the Celts should draft him if he did.  First, I think it would be extraordinarily awkward for Doc to coach his own son (on a professional level).  It is illogical to believe that family and the NBA would co-exist tranquilly for a long period of time.  I also think he’s overrated, being only a freshman and scoring at an inefficient rate.  A talented scorer?  Absolutely.  A well-rounded player?  Absolutely not.  IT factor?  Yes, but at what cost?  He is raw and needs to learn, and I fear the success of him learning under his Dad.  He supposedly has a brash, arrogant attitude, and the Celts already have a ‘supposedly’ brash, arrogant young player in the back court.  The combination of Rondo, Austin, and Doc may make for good headlines (and exciting highlights), but I don’t think it translates to consistently good basketball.  *I wrote this prior to the recent national debate on this subject, including the Boston Globe video with Ryan and Finn.  **I’ve seen a number of writers on this site saying that Ainge should consider trading one or two picks to move up and draft this kid.  All I can say is, “Are you all insane?”  Would anyone revere this kid if he wasn’t Doc’s son?  He’s not the top-rated SG on any draft scouts’ list, so why would the team trade a pick or two to get him?  I believe fans are currently obsessed with him because they believe a father-son duo would somehow breed magic, while it’s much more likely to breed failure.

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Is royce white really undersized? He's listed at 6'8 which is plenty of size if you are wide enough in the nba. The question is if he's actually closer to 6'6 but is listed at 6'8.

Fab melo has size, and athletecism. Will he be able to help us right away? Probably not, but we're not going to have the chance to draft a guy with high upside and is ready now with our pick. Avery  is an example of a high ceiling guy who everyone killed to start his career because he wasn't ready.  Any player available to us with high upside will come with question marks attached. Melo like bradley is that type of player.

With our two picks I think at least one if not two will need to be bigs. Since White and Melo are (probably) the two best bigs available when we pick I would be happy if we our draft went this way. Quincy miller and Dion Waiters are two high ceiling guys that I would also be happy with.
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I hope Leonard slips as Ford currently has him at #19. I'll go big and take Leonard and Melo in a heartbeat.

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I'm not a huge fan of Melo or White. White scares me because of his off the court issues and his anxiety disorder. That coupled with the fact that he is more of a small forward than power forward worries me. Melo just doesn't impress me alot.I wouldnt hate the pick because at least the Cs would be taking a chance on size. I personally would rather take Festus Ezeli, he is a senior but has very little basketball experience. Ezeli took up basketball at 16 so he is still very raw.

Based on this mock and drafting for talent not need. I would take Moe Harkless (not ready for NBA but star potential) and D Green (especially if his wingspan measures over 7', to good not to be productive)

Really if the draft goes as Ford says, the Cs need to trade up to either 12. J Sullinger, 17 J Lamb, or 18 M Leonard.

 


 
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If Ford' draft came off anywhere close to what he thinks I would package our 2nd rounder and our first pick to move up and grab Myers Leonard.

Then I would take Draymond Green with the other first rounder.

Then when the free agent signing period came around I would resign Bass and try to sign and trade Jeff Green for a PF. Anderson Varejao might be nice if Cleveland gets to draft Anthony Davis. Or Jason Maxiell from Detroit or Amir Johnson fron Toronto.

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Then when the free agent signing period came around I would resign Bass and try to sign and trade Jeff Green for a PF. Anderson Varejao might be nice if Cleveland gets to draft Anthony Davis. Or Jason Maxiell from Detroit or Amir Johnson fron Toronto.

I'm backwards on that. I think we should S&T Bass, who will be looking for a multi-year deal, probably around Big Baby money. We could instead go for a player that could fit the uptempo system we want to implement at a cheaper rate. Think Randolph, JJ Hickson, etc. As for Green, I think we could overpay him for that 1 yr deal that he'll likely have to settle for in order to erase any doubts about his health. Because if Green is looking for multiple years he won't get anywhere close to the 9M we were going to give him.