Chad Ford Mock Draft 4.0 - Celtics Picks

[Evantime34]

Bull**** picks for us from Chad.
I will explain)
Everyone is thinking that we NEED to draft bigs.Why?
We might be able to resign everyone.
Look: KG,Bass,Green,Steamer,Wilcox,JJJ + Hoolins and Williams.
Green is SF/PF type of player.Same is Royce White.He s not a pure SF.Why do we need to waste this pick for same player?
Fab Melo? Why??? He's no way better than Stiemsma.And he s very strange guy.I don't like his attitude.Same with Royce BTW.
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My plan is.
We need to replace or insure probs with Ray.
And we need a true SF - in case if Green won't return in his shape after rehab.
Moe Harkless! This is the guy! 3 point.Good rebounding.Good D skills.He s must take guy if he will be available.

SG - I pray draft Gods for Terrence Ross.6'7 SG with 3 and with great potential to become a D stopper at 2.We need size there - AB is short)

If not - take Jeff Taylor or Waiters.

But my dream now is Ross and Harkless.

With second round pick i want Quincy Acy.I know...I know...6'6 PF)))But he s TRUE warrior and with his gorilla winspan and beast energy he might become a steal.

Sorry for my English.Russian Celts r in da house)))

TP.

As is Celtics have enough size. I see your logic behind those picks. NBA is gu
ard heavy league anyway. Upgrading talent level at that position help preserve aging star Paul Pierce. As much as I like Jeff Green, I'm not sold on him yet.

I strongly disagree that we have enough size. We are/have been on of the worst rebounding teams in the league. We need a big body to come in and board now and when KG retires.

At our core we are a defensive team. The majority of the elite defensive teams have a presence in paint to convince people not to go in there. If we want to continue to be a good defensive team in the future a defensive minded/rebounding big is needed.

A rookie won't miraculously fix Celtics rebounding. I go with Kris Humphries signing than a drafting a rookie. And when it comes to size Celtics have 3 seven footers on the roster with Garnett, Steamer, and Hollins. Bulls have 1 seven footer.

A rookie won't solve their rebounding problems but the celtics, putting an organizational emphasis on drafting and signing rebounders will help. Drafting a big this year might not solve their rebounding problems but it's certainly more likely to help than drafting a scoring two.

[hpantazo]

Kenneth Faried, as a rookie, would have gone a long way to solving the celtics rebounding problems...

[arambone]

Royce White's anxiety is the least of his psychological problems. He was a total doosh until transferring to Iowa State, where he is basically in a contract year and on his best behavior.

In high school he got caught cheating on a test and blew up, yelling, "I'm F'ing Royce White".

At Mall of America he stole a bunch of clothes, and when security stopped him, he refused to give the clothes back and punched the security guard.

Then he got caught stealing a laptop from a dorm.

Then he quit the team via youtube.

Then he transferred to Iowa State.

[goCeltics]

I like Melo better than ezeli, had better production and better physical skills

Who has better production because it sure as heck ain't Melo?  Ezeli out did him in boards and PPG playing in a stronger conference I might add.  Ezeli was hurt this year too.

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?year=2011%2F12&q=&per=per40pace&qual=prospects&sort=20&min=20&stage=all&league=NCAA&conference=0&Compare=Submit+Comparison&pos=C&sort2=ASC&pid%5B47846%5D=47846&pid%5B35835%5D=35835

On rate adjusted per 40 ezeli scored 5 more points per 40 but took 1 extra fg attempt and 6 extra fts attempts and had 1.5 extra turnovers that translates to about 6 extra possessions to generate those 5 points, not great. Ezeli did produced one extra rebound but 1.5 less blocks and had averaged a extra foul. Also ezeli had 0.5 assist per forty, melo was slightly better at 1.1. In there previous post I was looking at there win score per minute, it pretty even in that count, but slighly better for melo. I don't like ezeli cos he had played with 2 elitle perimeter players, who where very productive, and his production was average. I not a huge fan of melo but at least his got good to great physical tools, better than ezeli from what i have read, although i haven't seen any measurements. Truth be told looking at it now, i would probably draft neither in the first, but would rather melo based on mesurements.    

[ManUp]

If we drafted Harkless and Melo I'd be pretty happy.

Rondo Dooling
Bradley Allen Moore
Pierce Pietrus Harkless
Garnett Bass Johnson
Wilcox Stiemsma Melo

If you look at it this way bigs aren't a huge need.

Royce White's anxiety is the least of his psychological problems. He was a total doosh until transferring to Iowa State, where he is basically in a contract year and on his best behavior.

In high school he got caught cheating on a test and blew up, yelling, "I'm F'ing Royce White".

At Mall of America he stole a bunch of clothes, and when security stopped him, he refused to give the clothes back and punched the security guard.

Then he got caught stealing a laptop from a dorm.

Then he quit the team via youtube.

Then he transferred to Iowa State.

Lol, am I wrong for finding this funny?

[arambone]

Contract year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93XMV_ys84


Funny, unproven anecdote in the youtube comments:

the guy quit his team via youtube, didn't even tell the coaches or teammates. And I have actually been around Royce White at the u of m. At a party he showed up and literally told a girl that if she wasn't drinking, smoking, or going to fu*k him that she should just leave the party. I heard multiple stories similar to that from other people. thats not even mentioning all of the other public stuff he did. i SERIOUSLY doubt that this guy will bring positive changes to the world (besides bball)

funny. i'm really not looking to get into fights on youtube, just thought it was funny how people try to defend a person who is an idiot just because he's a good player. but i guess that's pretty common in all sports and i'm sure i've done it at some point or another. the quick story i told about royce was true, i was told that by players on the gopher team and witnessed it in person. i'm sure you can hear similar stories about him from many other people.

If this guy becomes a Celtic I look forward to the humorous locker room dialogues that we see on the front page of Celticsblog.

KG: Hey Rook, get me a Gatorade.

RW: I'm Royce F'ng White!

[Lioney]

Rondo 34-00 Moore
Bradley 34-22 Ray
Pierce 30-18 Harkless - Crowder
Garnett 26-22 Green - JJJ
Hibbert 32-22 Sullinger - Stiemsma

This is my dream

(numbers>minutes)

[Kane3387]

Kenneth Faried, as a rookie, would have gone a long way to solving the celtics rebounding problems...

The manimal is a beast. Wish he would have fell just a few more spots.

[Who]

Royce White will be a SF with the ability to play the 4. Yes he does have psycological issues and needs to lose some pounds. In the NBA he will have the best therapy money can buy. Once he drops the fear of flight and extensive conditioning the pounds will follow.

Loving both of the picks by Ford and would be estatic to see it become a reality.

Still banking on a S&T of Bass and the picks with ATL in the offseason for Josh Smith however. (I can dream right?)

You make it sound so easy. From what I heard White's fear of flying is debilitating. He suffers anxiety before even getting on the plane and is stressed out even after. The guy has gone on roadtrips with his dad to get to games instead of flying. You don't just "drop" that type of fear.

I read an interview Royce White gave about a month ago and he said he was on a plane-trip earlier this year.

Made it sound like that while flying is a problem for him, he's still able to it (pointing to that trip) + that he is very confident that he can overcome the problem in the future.

[Celtics4ever]

You make it sound so easy. From what I heard White's fear of flying is debilitating. He suffers anxiety before even getting on the plane and is stressed out even after. The guy has gone on roadtrips with his dad to get to games instead of flying. You don't just "drop" that type of fear

Aye, this isn't the A team and we have no Murdoch to dose him each flight.

I think White will be a steal for us. If we could get him.

[slamtheking]

Bull**** picks for us from Chad.
I will explain)
Everyone is thinking that we NEED to draft bigs.Why?
We might be able to resign everyone.
Look: KG,Bass,Green,Steamer,Wilcox,JJJ + Hoolins and Williams.
Green is SF/PF type of player.Same is Royce White.He s not a pure SF.Why do we need to waste this pick for same player?
Fab Melo? Why??? He's no way better than Stiemsma.And he s very strange guy.I don't like his attitude.Same with Royce BTW.
---
My plan is.
We need to replace or insure probs with Ray.
And we need a true SF - in case if Green won't return in his shape after rehab.
Moe Harkless! This is the guy! 3 point.Good rebounding.Good D skills.He s must take guy if he will be available.

SG - I pray draft Gods for Terrence Ross.6'7 SG with 3 and with great potential to become a D stopper at 2.We need size there - AB is short)

If not - take Jeff Taylor or Waiters.

But my dream now is Ross and Harkless.

With second round pick i want Quincy Acy.I know...I know...6'6 PF)))But he s TRUE warrior and with his gorilla winspan and beast energy he might become a steal.

Sorry for my English.Russian Celts r in da house)))

TP.

As is Celtics have enough size. I see your logic behind those picks. NBA is guard heavy league anyway. Upgrading talent level at that position help preserve aging star Paul Pierce. As much as I like Jeff Green, I'm not sold on him yet.

I disagree with this.

C's need more size that's young with talent. 

Of the players listed:
KG,Bass,Green,Steamer,Wilcox,JJJ + Hoolins and Williams
-Only JJJ is under contract.  He still hasn't proven himself to be an NBA-quality player yet (even though I'm very optimistic he'll be a pretty good player)
-Only KG is a legit starting quality PF/C.  If he's not retiring after this year, he's real close.
-Steimsma looks like he'll be a really good backup center.
-Green is better as a SF and is no guarantee to resign. not a great rebounder as a PF.
-Bass is a terrific PF off the bench but no guarantee to resign.  not a great rebounder as a PF
-Wilcox is no guarantee to resign and is an ok PF/C.  Can certainly be improved upon.

Based on that info, how can anyone not say the C's need at least 1 big man in this draft?  Even if the expectation isn't that the pick can play right away, get one in camp to get familiar with the team, plays and winning mentality that we want our players to develop.

I wouldn't mind them using the other 1st rounder on a good swingman or SG to bring in behind Bradley and develop with Moore. 

Next year would be a good opportunity to bring back some of the vets (KG, Green, Pietrus, Bass hopefully) to mix with some youth (hoping Bradley and Steimsma continue to develop and JJJ and Moore make the jump to rotation-worthy players) to get our younger players inDOCtrinated in the winning culture we currently have.
Based on that
-Hollins and Williams are castoffs lucky to be collecting NBA paychecks.

[CFAN38]

Royce White will be a SF with the ability to play the 4. Yes he does have psycological issues and needs to lose some pounds. In the NBA he will have the best therapy money can buy. Once he drops the fear of flight and extensive conditioning the pounds will follow.

Loving both of the picks by Ford and would be estatic to see it become a reality.

Still banking on a S&T of Bass and the picks with ATL in the offseason for Josh Smith however. (I can dream right?)

That's asking alot of an NBA franchise to both mentally and physically rebuilding him. I dont really see either happening. He came into highschool listed at 6'7 200lbs SF measurements are going to tell alot of Royce. I expect him to be 6'8 in shoes and around 255lbs . Physically I expect him to be in the Antoine Walker mold (he has a little more of a vertical that walker). The mental side of him really scares me. It is great that he did better this year at Iowa st. However what will the $$ and fame do to a kid with the issues that Royce has? I dont want the Celtics to be the team that finds out.    

[Galeto]

If this is how the draft works out and the Celtics can select Wroten and Harkless and instead opt for White and Melo, that would be extremely disappointing.  Fortunately, Ainge has shown a predilection for lengthy athletes in the first so I think Ford is going to have to rework his mock.  I like Melo and I like White in the second but since the Celtics are going to have to rebuild very soon, it makes little sense to select players who might be best coming off the bench.

I wouldn't gamble on Wroten in the lottey, even with all his talent, but at 21 or 22, sign me up.  His shot needs a lot of improvement and he needs to mix in simple plays instead of going for the home run, flashy play nearly all the time but he has all-star type talent.

[nickagneta]

A lot of you guys are talking Harkless at the SF spot but I'm telling you Draymond Green is more the type of player Danny would be interested in.

The Celts would slim him down some and put him on the wing as an exceptional rebounding SF with elite passing skills and the ability to shoot the ball outside. He also has great ability to post people his size.

Harkless is one of these 18 year old jumpers with potential but really isn't an accomplished player. He's all run and jump and hustle.

I don't see Danny going super young on a wing player unless that player has something other than athleticism going for them. That player has to be able to shoot and defend or rebound or pass at elite levels.

That's why if they go young at the wing I see Lamb, Ross or Miller being the pick over Harkless. But if they can get Green into a pro training program, I think he's the best of the bunch as his skill all around are much better than the others.

[arambone]

"Harkless is one of these 18 year old jumpers with potential but really isn't an accomplished player. He's all run and jump and hustle."

Harkless is really smooth, a gifted scorer, an above average ball handler, and a lock-down defender.

Check out some of his games on espn3, especially the ones from later in the year.

Not sure where you're getting your info, but probably from a scouting report written in the middle of the season.