Chad Ford Mock Draft 4.0 - Celtics Picks

[Galeto]

I never got the impression that Melo was disinterested.  Actually as the backbone of the zone, I thought he was very engaged, keeping his head on a swivel, his hands up and seeing the action unfold well.  Just based on how much he improved from his freshman season when he was a huge, out of shape disappointment, you can gleam positive things about his work ethic.  He lost a good 25 pounds or so and was much better at the free throw line.

The most surprising thing about him is how competent of a passer he is.  I think his basketball IQ is very solid.  

As for Draymond Green, I think he's very unlikely in the three first.  Ainge goes for his type, the highly productive, player of the year winners who lack prototypical size and athleticism in the second round.

[Army_of_One_Nation]

If the Celtics indeed pick Tony Wroten of UW, and he teams up with Rondo in the back court, they will have the worst FT and FG shooting guards in the league.

[nickagneta]

For some reason Draymond Green keeps popping up as a Ainge type pick.  I know he has a scheduled workout for the C's lined up already, so I assume interest is there.  Green has also indicated that he will be picked between 20-30, so somebody might of given him a promise already.  Who knows.  Wasn't sure they could do that this early, but I don't know the rules.

Ainge likes to gamble on those bodies who don't have NBA positions.  The ones where scouts aren't sure whether they play PF or a SF in the NBA.  With Green, he's just a flat out player.  So that could be interesting to watch.

Green is intriguing.  He is kind of the opposite of many of the tweeners we see.  We usually see guys with SF bodies but the games of PFs.  Green has the game of a SF, but has the body of a PF.

I think a lot of it with Green will be how he works out individually, and whether he can transform his body by working with a professional trainer before draft day.  He has just been carrying any extra 30+ pounds on his frame, which would obviously hurt his athleticism.

I do love his game though.  If he can mould his body, and in the process become a little quicker, he could be a very good NBA player.  He has all the intangibles and skills you want in a SF...its just a question of whether he can hang athletically.

This is exactly what I have been saying. green can shoot. he has long arms and a lot of strength with a good back to the basket game along with tremendous passing ability. One needs to explore that is he is put into a professional training program and can lean up a bit giving him more explosion would he be a candidate to be an elite SF?

I think he could be and I think his skill set(rebounding, shooting, passing, strength) is close to elite and the one thing holding him back is that he has played at less than peak conditioning most of his career. He isn't ever going to be an elite athlete. But if put into the best condition possible I think he could be a All-Star level SF with dominating rebounding skills for his position and a go to post up game for his position.

Also, his defense is pretty darn good.

[nickagneta]

If the Celtics indeed pick Tony Wroten of UW, and he teams up with Rondo in the back court, they will have the worst FT and FG shooting guards in the league.

This is why I don't see Wroten being drafted by the Celtics. His team mates Ross is a better prospect and a more likely candidate to be drafted by Danny if he is available.

[bbd24]

If the Celtics indeed pick Tony Wroten of UW, and he teams up with Rondo in the back court, they will have the worst FT and FG shooting guards in the league.

This is why I don't see Wroten being drafted by the Celtics. His team mates Ross is a better prospect and a more likely candidate to be drafted by Danny if he is available.

That would be ideal if Ross falls to the 20's.  A combination of Ross + Draymond Green looks great on paper.

[hwangjini_1]

For some reason Draymond Green keeps popping up as a Ainge type pick.  I know he has a scheduled workout for the C's lined up already, so I assume interest is there.  Green has also indicated that he will be picked between 20-30, so somebody might of given him a promise already.  Who knows.  Wasn't sure they could do that this early, but I don't know the rules.

Ainge likes to gamble on those bodies who don't have NBA positions.  The ones where scouts aren't sure whether they play PF or a SF in the NBA.  With Green, he's just a flat out player.  So that could be interesting to watch.

Green is intriguing.  He is kind of the opposite of many of the tweeners we see.  We usually see guys with SF bodies but the games of PFs.  Green has the game of a SF, but has the body of a PF.

I think a lot of it with Green will be how he works out individually, and whether he can transform his body by working with a professional trainer before draft day.  He has just been carrying any extra 30+ pounds on his frame, which would obviously hurt his athleticism.

I do love his game though.  If he can mould his body, and in the process become a little quicker, he could be a very good NBA player.  He has all the intangibles and skills you want in a SF...its just a question of whether he can hang athletically.

This is exactly what I have been saying. green can shoot. he has long arms and a lot of strength with a good back to the basket game along with tremendous passing ability. One needs to explore that is he is put into a professional training program and can lean up a bit giving him more explosion would he be a candidate to be an elite SF?

I think he could be and I think his skill set(rebounding, shooting, passing, strength) is close to elite and the one thing holding him back is that he has played at less than peak conditioning most of his career. He isn't ever going to be an elite athlete. But if put into the best condition possible I think he could be a All-Star level SF with dominating rebounding skills for his position and a go to post up game for his position.

Also, his defense is pretty darn good.

may i ask where is your info from? i am asking since about the only source i have is draftexpress.com. their write up on green differs from your analysis.

green's biggest problem is having too generous a helping of short genes - he is 6'6" and lacks great athleticism. this is already causing him problems on defense in the college game and in the pros it may be a bigger problem.

but i have never seen him play, so maybe he has some knack or skill that allows him to rise above those short genes.

[nickagneta]

For some reason Draymond Green keeps popping up as a Ainge type pick.  I know he has a scheduled workout for the C's lined up already, so I assume interest is there.  Green has also indicated that he will be picked between 20-30, so somebody might of given him a promise already.  Who knows.  Wasn't sure they could do that this early, but I don't know the rules.

Ainge likes to gamble on those bodies who don't have NBA positions.  The ones where scouts aren't sure whether they play PF or a SF in the NBA.  With Green, he's just a flat out player.  So that could be interesting to watch.

Green is intriguing.  He is kind of the opposite of many of the tweeners we see.  We usually see guys with SF bodies but the games of PFs.  Green has the game of a SF, but has the body of a PF.

I think a lot of it with Green will be how he works out individually, and whether he can transform his body by working with a professional trainer before draft day.  He has just been carrying any extra 30+ pounds on his frame, which would obviously hurt his athleticism.

I do love his game though.  If he can mould his body, and in the process become a little quicker, he could be a very good NBA player.  He has all the intangibles and skills you want in a SF...its just a question of whether he can hang athletically.

This is exactly what I have been saying. green can shoot. he has long arms and a lot of strength with a good back to the basket game along with tremendous passing ability. One needs to explore that is he is put into a professional training program and can lean up a bit giving him more explosion would he be a candidate to be an elite SF?

I think he could be and I think his skill set(rebounding, shooting, passing, strength) is close to elite and the one thing holding him back is that he has played at less than peak conditioning most of his career. He isn't ever going to be an elite athlete. But if put into the best condition possible I think he could be a All-Star level SF with dominating rebounding skills for his position and a go to post up game for his position.

Also, his defense is pretty darn good.

may i ask where is your info from? i am asking since about the only source i have is draftexpress.com. their write up on green differs from your analysis.

green's biggest problem is having too generous a help of short genes - he is 6'6" and lacks great athleticism. this is already causing him problems on defense in the college game and in the pros it may be a bigger problem.

but i have never seen him play, so maybe he has some knack or skill that allows him to rise above those short genes.

My source is having watched him play at least 5 times this year and a few last. 

As an aside this is what Draftexpress said about Kenneth Faried:

Slightly undersized, limited offensively, and inexperienced defensively, Faried has a fair share of question marks. However, he has a clear NBA-level skill, and the type of motor coaches dream of, which can't be said for every prospect. Expecting him to come in and emerge as a major impact player early in his career is a stretch, but Faried certainly seems to have the tools to fill a Louis Amundson-type role for a team

Louis Amundson type role? 10PPG, 8 RPG, 58% shooting. Louis Amundson could only dream of those numbers.

Lesson learned. Draftexpress doesn't always get it right.

[Galeto]

I highly doubt Green will ever be an all star type SF.  He is a well below-average athlete for the position.  He is not so overweight that losing weight will make him explosive.  He has already lost a ton of weight from when he entered college and it didn't help his athleticism much.

I think Green's high basketball IQ and versatility could make him a rotation player.  He might be able to make a second unit offense run smoother but I doubt he's ever going to be a starter.  It's going to be a struggle for him on defense and how is he going to create his own shot?

[Ganguido]

We have one guy named Green who's SF with PF skills - NO?

[hwangjini_1]

For some reason Draymond Green keeps popping up as a Ainge type pick.  I know he has a scheduled workout for the C's lined up already, so I assume interest is there.  Green has also indicated that he will be picked between 20-30, so somebody might of given him a promise already.  Who knows.  Wasn't sure they could do that this early, but I don't know the rules.

Ainge likes to gamble on those bodies who don't have NBA positions.  The ones where scouts aren't sure whether they play PF or a SF in the NBA.  With Green, he's just a flat out player.  So that could be interesting to watch.

Green is intriguing.  He is kind of the opposite of many of the tweeners we see.  We usually see guys with SF bodies but the games of PFs.  Green has the game of a SF, but has the body of a PF.

I think a lot of it with Green will be how he works out individually, and whether he can transform his body by working with a professional trainer before draft day.  He has just been carrying any extra 30+ pounds on his frame, which would obviously hurt his athleticism.

I do love his game though.  If he can mould his body, and in the process become a little quicker, he could be a very good NBA player.  He has all the intangibles and skills you want in a SF...its just a question of whether he can hang athletically.

This is exactly what I have been saying. green can shoot. he has long arms and a lot of strength with a good back to the basket game along with tremendous passing ability. One needs to explore that is he is put into a professional training program and can lean up a bit giving him more explosion would he be a candidate to be an elite SF?

I think he could be and I think his skill set(rebounding, shooting, passing, strength) is close to elite and the one thing holding him back is that he has played at less than peak conditioning most of his career. He isn't ever going to be an elite athlete. But if put into the best condition possible I think he could be a All-Star level SF with dominating rebounding skills for his position and a go to post up game for his position.

Also, his defense is pretty darn good.

may i ask where is your info from? i am asking since about the only source i have is draftexpress.com. their write up on green differs from your analysis.

green's biggest problem is having too generous a help of short genes - he is 6'6" and lacks great athleticism. this is already causing him problems on defense in the college game and in the pros it may be a bigger problem.

but i have never seen him play, so maybe he has some knack or skill that allows him to rise above those short genes.

My source is having watched him play at least 5 times this year and a few last. 

As an aside this is what Draftexpress said about Kenneth Faried:

Slightly undersized, limited offensively, and inexperienced defensively, Faried has a fair share of question marks. However, he has a clear NBA-level skill, and the type of motor coaches dream of, which can't be said for every prospect. Expecting him to come in and emerge as a major impact player early in his career is a stretch, but Faried certainly seems to have the tools to fill a Louis Amundson-type role for a team

Louis Amundson type role? 10PPG, 8 RPG, 58% shooting. Louis Amundson could only dream of those numbers.

Lesson learned. Draftexpress doesn't always get it right.

  thanks for the reply and your scouting report. tp for attending all those games and donating your knowledge to cb.

[hwangjini_1]

We have one guy named Green who's SF with PF skills - NO?

personally, i think ainge should draft draymond...then resign gerald and resurrect the corpse of orien to go with jeff. 

[hardlyyardley]

How about Bill Green....a first round pick in the 60s who after reporting to camp informed Red of his fear of flying.....BTW....Orien has an e at the end of his last name

[CelticHooligan3]

For some reason Draymond Green keeps popping up as a Ainge type pick.  I know he has a scheduled workout for the C's lined up already, so I assume interest is there.  Green has also indicated that he will be picked between 20-30, so somebody might of given him a promise already.  Who knows.  Wasn't sure they could do that this early, but I don't know the rules.

Ainge likes to gamble on those bodies who don't have NBA positions.  The ones where scouts aren't sure whether they play PF or a SF in the NBA.  With Green, he's just a flat out player.  So that could be interesting to watch.

Green is intriguing.  He is kind of the opposite of many of the tweeners we see.  We usually see guys with SF bodies but the games of PFs.  Green has the game of a SF, but has the body of a PF.

I think a lot of it with Green will be how he works out individually, and whether he can transform his body by working with a professional trainer before draft day.  He has just been carrying any extra 30+ pounds on his frame, which would obviously hurt his athleticism.

I do love his game though.  If he can mould his body, and in the process become a little quicker, he could be a very good NBA player.  He has all the intangibles and skills you want in a SF...its just a question of whether he can hang athletically.

This is exactly what I have been saying. green can shoot. he has long arms and a lot of strength with a good back to the basket game along with tremendous passing ability. One needs to explore that is he is put into a professional training program and can lean up a bit giving him more explosion would he be a candidate to be an elite SF?

I think he could be and I think his skill set(rebounding, shooting, passing, strength) is close to elite and the one thing holding him back is that he has played at less than peak conditioning most of his career. He isn't ever going to be an elite athlete. But if put into the best condition possible I think he could be a All-Star level SF with dominating rebounding skills for his position and a go to post up game for his position.

Also, his defense is pretty darn good.

Little RealGM blurb you guys might find interesting.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/220945/Draymond_Green_To_Work_Out_For_Celtics_Expects_To_Be_First_Round_Pick

[Roy H.]

For some reason Draymond Green keeps popping up as a Ainge type pick.

Well, he does like guys named Green[e]:

[arambone]

Watch Ainge make a promise to this tweener, ala Giddens, without caring who else might fall to 21/22.

Two future starters can and should be drafted with those first rounders. It's a deep draft.