Rumor: Rondo/O'Neal for Gasol

[cman88]

As I said on the frontpage: anyone who thinks this trade wouldn't be a gift for the Lakers is in denial.

... or, in the alternative, that person isn't in denial at all, but simply has a different opinion than you do.

na, its definitely a much better trade for the lakers...they get an Allstar Pointguard who is 26years old and an 11ppg PF in Bass..

all while dumping an aging Bigman in Gasol who has an albatross contract..it makes the Lakers better now, and going forward having 2 allstars in place.

all while the celtics get stuck spending $45million of capspace on 2 30+ players the next 2years.

danny would be insane to make this trade

Well, most people are debating the original "rumor" of Rondo + JO for Gasol, rather than adding Bass.  I would agree that you can't do this deal if Bass is involved.

However, even with Bass included, I don't think anybody is "in denial" about this trade idea.  Nobody is "insane".  This deal is within the ballpark of fair, and it's a matter of personal preference in terms of what side is doing better.

The Lakers get the younger guy with more long-term value, but the Celtics would be getting the perfect guy to complement their team.  Keep in mind, this past off-season Gasol was worth Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, and a #1 pick.  That shows you how highly he's valued.

but you mean the celtics team of 3 guys all on the wrong side of 30years old...all declining themselves.

we're in year 5 of a 3year window...im not sure why we should even try to put bandaids on this and try and drag it out 2more years

[RJ87]

I honestly think that Gasol, Pierce, Garnett would be more likely to win it all THIS YEAR than with Rondo.

Still don't see us getting past Miami to get out of the East unless someone gets injured. And if history is any indication, we're far more likely to suffer a debilitating injury right before the playoffs.

But I'm starting to come around to this trade - Rondo deserves the opportunity to play in a better situation. Any guy who basically plays in a playoff series with one arm deserves the best chance and this trade would be a heck of an opportunity for Rondo (and to my disgust, the Lakers) I'm rooting for this kid wholeheartedly.

[birdbrady]

As I said on the frontpage: anyone who thinks this trade wouldn't be a gift for the Lakers is in denial.

... or, in the alternative, that person isn't in denial at all, but simply has a different opinion than you do.

na, its definitely a much better trade for the lakers...they get an Allstar Pointguard who is 26years old and an 11ppg PF in Bass..

all while dumping an aging Bigman in Gasol who has an albatross contract..it makes the Lakers better now, and going forward having 2 allstars in place.

all while the celtics get stuck spending $45million of capspace on 2 30+ players the next 2years.

danny would be insane to make this trade

Well, most people are debating the original "rumor" of Rondo + JO for Gasol, rather than adding Bass.  I would agree that you can't do this deal if Bass is involved.

However, even with Bass included, I don't think anybody is "in denial" about this trade idea.  Nobody is "insane".  This deal is within the ballpark of fair, and it's a matter of personal preference in terms of what side is doing better.

The Lakers get the younger guy with more long-term value, but the Celtics would be getting the perfect guy to complement their team.  Keep in mind, this past off-season Gasol was worth Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, and a #1 pick.  That shows you how highly he's valued.

but you mean the celtics team of 3 guys all on the wrong side of 30years old...all declining themselves.

we're in year 5 of a 3year window...im not sure why we should even try to put bandaids on this and try and drag it out 2more years

Because Gasol is a better guy to have moving forward in a rebuild.  He has more value when you want to trade him and get young players.

Everyone has a PG, yet few teams have big men.  If you're going to trade one this summer, ask yourself: who would garner more in a trade?

It isn't even close.

[Roy H.]

As I said on the frontpage: anyone who thinks this trade wouldn't be a gift for the Lakers is in denial.

... or, in the alternative, that person isn't in denial at all, but simply has a different opinion than you do.

na, its definitely a much better trade for the lakers...they get an Allstar Pointguard who is 26years old and an 11ppg PF in Bass..

all while dumping an aging Bigman in Gasol who has an albatross contract..it makes the Lakers better now, and going forward having 2 allstars in place.

all while the celtics get stuck spending $45million of capspace on 2 30+ players the next 2years.

danny would be insane to make this trade

Well, most people are debating the original "rumor" of Rondo + JO for Gasol, rather than adding Bass.  I would agree that you can't do this deal if Bass is involved.

However, even with Bass included, I don't think anybody is "in denial" about this trade idea.  Nobody is "insane".  This deal is within the ballpark of fair, and it's a matter of personal preference in terms of what side is doing better.

The Lakers get the younger guy with more long-term value, but the Celtics would be getting the perfect guy to complement their team.  Keep in mind, this past off-season Gasol was worth Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, and a #1 pick.  That shows you how highly he's valued.

but you mean the celtics team of 3 guys all on the wrong side of 30years old...all declining themselves.

we're in year 5 of a 3year window...im not sure why we should even try to put bandaids on this and try and drag it out 2more years

Who cares how long the window was supposed to be open?

Next year, we could be looking at a team of:

Gasol
KG / Bass
Pierce / Green
Ray
?

Let's say that Nash wants to chase after a ring.  Add Nash to the above team.  Or, if he's healthy, Chauncey Billups.  Or both.

Doesn't that chance have a more legitimate shot at a ring than any team we're likely to have in the next 3 to 5 years of rebuilding?  The goal is to win championships, not to have solidly constructed rosters built over time.

[BostonArizona]

I think this is pretty simple.

If you aren't in a position that it will cripple your teams chances at making a title run(which at this point we aren't even title contenders) you almost always accept a trade where you obtain more the best player in the deal and the best asset.

Does anyone argue that Gasol is not the best player and/or the most valuable asset in this deal?

I absolutely see no reason not to do this. Not only makes us better now, gives us much better trade chips as well as a better shot to land a big name in the off season.

[Roy H.]

Heck, let's say we trade for Gasol, and then decide this summer we want to go in a different direction.

We then trade him to the Twolves for Derrick Williams and Nikola Pekovic, or some other combination of young players and cap filler.  I think Gasol will have viable trade values for at least the next couple of seasons.

The more I think about this, the more I've talked myself into it.

[Eddie20]

As I said on the frontpage: anyone who thinks this trade wouldn't be a gift for the Lakers is in denial.

... or, in the alternative, that person isn't in denial at all, but simply has a different opinion than you do.

na, its definitely a much better trade for the lakers...they get an Allstar Pointguard who is 26years old and an 11ppg PF in Bass..

all while dumping an aging Bigman in Gasol who has an albatross contract..it makes the Lakers better now, and going forward having 2 allstars in place.

all while the celtics get stuck spending $45million of capspace on 2 30+ players the next 2years.

danny would be insane to make this trade

Well, most people are debating the original "rumor" of Rondo + JO for Gasol, rather than adding Bass.  I would agree that you can't do this deal if Bass is involved.

However, even with Bass included, I don't think anybody is "in denial" about this trade idea.  Nobody is "insane".  This deal is within the ballpark of fair, and it's a matter of personal preference in terms of what side is doing better.

The Lakers get the younger guy with more long-term value, but the Celtics would be getting the perfect guy to complement their team.  Keep in mind, this past off-season Gasol was worth Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, and a #1 pick.  That shows you how highly he's valued.

but you mean the celtics team of 3 guys all on the wrong side of 30years old...all declining themselves.

we're in year 5 of a 3year window...im not sure why we should even try to put bandaids on this and try and drag it out 2more years

Who cares how long the window was supposed to be open?

Next year, we could be looking at a team of:

Gasol
KG / Bass
Pierce / Green
Ray
?

Let's say that Nash wants to chase after a ring.  Add Nash to the above team.  Or, if he's healthy, Chauncey Billups.  Or both.

Doesn't that chance have a more legitimate shot at a ring than any team we're likely to have in the next 3 to 5 years of rebuilding?  The goal is to win championships, not to have solidly constructed rosters built over time.

Agree 100% . Older teams have won before. In 1998, the championship Bulls had a starting lineup of Jordan (34), Pippen (32), Rodman (36), Harper (34), and Longley (29). Add Gasol this year, and Nash in the summer, and we could catch lightning in a bottle.

[Evantime34]

I think we'll be hearing this rumor until march 15th. The lakers want dwight howard and I don't see them dealing gasol until howard is moved or the magic stop fielding offers.

Rondo has been a part of trade rumors since he came into the league. I wonder if this deal doesn't happen if they still move rondo anyway.

I don't do that deal if bass is part of it

[winsomme]

The good news about this trade rumor is that Danny recognizes that this team needs another legit big to compete and that the upcoming FA is not going to get you a better core than we have now in PP, Ray, and KG. They are not the problem. The "over-the-hill" mantra is just not right.

The bad news is that we'd have to give up Rondo to get the big.

I really think we should have been able to replace Perk without trading Rondo and I'm not sure why it hasn't happened. But maybe this at least means that Danny is willing to figure out a way to make another run with the Big 3 and POSSIBLY get a big without giving up Rondo.

generally NBA players who are over 34years old are over the hill and their skills decline..

pierce is shooting a career low, Ray allen cant run off screens like he used to..and KG is just a jumpshooter nowadays

instead of holding onto the big 3 like they are somehow going to transform to what they were 10, even 5years ago and prolong this..need to let go...

getting gasol pretty much takes us out of free agency the next 2 years...we would have 45million committed to  2 players...35year old paul pierce and 32year old Gasol

this would honestly set us back a few years rather than just let everyone come off the books and start new next year

Well I don't go by "generally", cman. This team was dominant with Shaq at center and has been amongst the top teams with Perk at center. Is it possible that they lost it overnight? Sure. It seems more likely, however, that without a legit center, this team cannot function properly.

I mean, one year and they all just lost it? I really don't think so. This team was a force when they had Shaq at center and that was just last season.

As for a Rondo/Gasol trade, that gives us the middle back, but not sure how losing the driver affects things. I think getting the bigs situation right is more important but also think it is possible to get a legit big without giving up Rondo.

I just look at the FAs next year and see absolutely no contending core outside of DWill and Dwight, so why not tweak what we have...

[winsomme]

As I said on the frontpage: anyone who thinks this trade wouldn't be a gift for the Lakers is in denial.

... or, in the alternative, that person isn't in denial at all, but simply has a different opinion than you do.

na, its definitely a much better trade for the lakers...they get an Allstar Pointguard who is 26years old and an 11ppg PF in Bass..

all while dumping an aging Bigman in Gasol who has an albatross contract..it makes the Lakers better now, and going forward having 2 allstars in place.

all while the celtics get stuck spending $45million of capspace on 2 30+ players the next 2years.

danny would be insane to make this trade

Well, most people are debating the original "rumor" of Rondo + JO for Gasol, rather than adding Bass.  I would agree that you can't do this deal if Bass is involved.

However, even with Bass included, I don't think anybody is "in denial" about this trade idea.  Nobody is "insane".  This deal is within the ballpark of fair, and it's a matter of personal preference in terms of what side is doing better.

The Lakers get the younger guy with more long-term value, but the Celtics would be getting the perfect guy to complement their team.  Keep in mind, this past off-season Gasol was worth Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, and a #1 pick.  That shows you how highly he's valued.

but you mean the celtics team of 3 guys all on the wrong side of 30years old...all declining themselves.

we're in year 5 of a 3year window...im not sure why we should even try to put bandaids on this and try and drag it out 2more years

Who cares how long the window was supposed to be open?

Next year, we could be looking at a team of:

Gasol
KG / Bass
Pierce / Green
Ray
?

Let's say that Nash wants to chase after a ring.  Add Nash to the above team.  Or, if he's healthy, Chauncey Billups.  Or both.

Doesn't that chance have a more legitimate shot at a ring than any team we're likely to have in the next 3 to 5 years of rebuilding?  The goal is to win championships, not to have solidly constructed rosters built over time.

I'm with you Roy. It makes no sense to abandon the Big 3 based on some preset plan. The Big 3 have been remarkably healthy and effective. put them up against any of these lackluster rebuilding/FA teams and I take GPA.

[RJ87]

Heck, let's say we trade for Gasol, and then decide this summer we want to go in a different direction.

We then trade him to the Twolves for Derrick Williams and Nikola Pekovic, or some other combination of young players and cap filler.  I think Gasol will have viable trade values for at least the next couple of seasons.

The more I think about this, the more I've talked myself into it.

You're banking on the idea that Pau will hold the same value this offseason or next offseason that he did around the CP3 debacle. His value has already taken a hit - another year older and the financial repercussions of the new CBA kick in and the C's aren't looking at the same return of Gasol. I just don't buy into the idea that Pau makes the C's THAT much better for an immediate title run to support this team post trade - the team will be depending on a bunch of old guys out-savvying younger, more talented, more explosive, and more athletic teams. But as you've basically said, to each his own.

[winsomme]

As I said on the frontpage: anyone who thinks this trade wouldn't be a gift for the Lakers is in denial.

... or, in the alternative, that person isn't in denial at all, but simply has a different opinion than you do.

na, its definitely a much better trade for the lakers...they get an Allstar Pointguard who is 26years old and an 11ppg PF in Bass..

all while dumping an aging Bigman in Gasol who has an albatross contract..it makes the Lakers better now, and going forward having 2 allstars in place.

all while the celtics get stuck spending $45million of capspace on 2 30+ players the next 2years.

danny would be insane to make this trade

Well, most people are debating the original "rumor" of Rondo + JO for Gasol, rather than adding Bass.  I would agree that you can't do this deal if Bass is involved.

However, even with Bass included, I don't think anybody is "in denial" about this trade idea.  Nobody is "insane".  This deal is within the ballpark of fair, and it's a matter of personal preference in terms of what side is doing better.

The Lakers get the younger guy with more long-term value, but the Celtics would be getting the perfect guy to complement their team.  Keep in mind, this past off-season Gasol was worth Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, and a #1 pick.  That shows you how highly he's valued.

but you mean the celtics team of 3 guys all on the wrong side of 30years old...all declining themselves.

we're in year 5 of a 3year window...im not sure why we should even try to put bandaids on this and try and drag it out 2more years

Because Gasol is a better guy to have moving forward in a rebuild.  He has more value when you want to trade him and get young players.

Everyone has a PG, yet few teams have big men.  If you're going to trade one this summer, ask yourself: who would garner more in a trade?

It isn't even close.

which is why we should not have traded, Perk...but anyways.

[kozlodoev]

Technically he won't be 32 until the summer. Gasol is the type of player that ages well because he doesn't rely on athletic ability as much as he does on his incredible length combined with a vast skillset. Worst case scenario he starts showing decline during the 13-14 season, he would still have a great deal of trade value because of the huge expiring contract he'll have. LeBron has an opt out that summer and I'm sure teams will be dying to shed salary just for the chance to land him.

I agree with this assessment. However, this trade will only make sense if we find a way to lure Deron Williams over the summer. Not sure whether we have cap space for a max contract if we take on Gasol's 19 million, though.

[Kuberski1]

Where there's smoke, there's fire....but I can't really tell is there is any smoke in this thing - maybe because it's another low-visibility hazy day in Shanghai

Agree on Bass...if he's included, I'm against it.  If JO, then I think I am for it, as much as I love Rondo (I am a defender of him all the way).  But assuming we can land a decent point, it gives us a real shot not only this year, but in the next few years.  What happens after that is any one's guess.  

2 main points: Gasol is still a premier big man, and if we got him, he'd be arguably our best player.  Second is that the win streak without Rondo probably reinforced a thought that was already in Danny's head....the offense can run through Paul or even Ray, and we can win.

Like most rumors, this one probably won't eventuate...but it's one of the more interesting to think about....

[winsomme]

Technically he won't be 32 until the summer. Gasol is the type of player that ages well because he doesn't rely on athletic ability as much as he does on his incredible length combined with a vast skillset. Worst case scenario he starts showing decline during the 13-14 season, he would still have a great deal of trade value because of the huge expiring contract he'll have. LeBron has an opt out that summer and I'm sure teams will be dying to shed salary just for the chance to land him.

I agree with this assessment. However, this trade will only make sense if we find a way to lure Deron Williams over the summer. Not sure whether we have cap space for a max contract if we take on Gasol's 19 million, though.

who exactly are we missing out on, koz, if we lose our capspace in a Gasol trade? FA is not setup with franchise players...